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Please show me the scripture where Jesus actually says the OT and the laws and prophets are obsolete as Matthew 5:17-20 and Matthew 22:37-40 says differently. The unity of Jew and Gentile now being one body in Christ, Galatians 3:24-29, through a better covenant of grace through the fulfillment of the Temple sacrifice only, that Jesus is that fulfillment and now sits at the right hand of God making intercession for us. We still have to follow the moral laws that God established with Moses on Mt Sinai that are written in the OT.

Noahic (Noah) Commandments are seven commandments first given to Adam by God before the flood and brought to remembrance by God to Noah after the flood, which are binding on both Jew and Gentile. The seven make up the first parts of the ten that God gave to Moses on Mt Sinai in Exodus 20. Below is a comparison list of the seven and the full ten which are all a part of the 613 laws given to Moses as some were for the Hebrews pertaining to the rituals of the Temple, sacrifices, festivals, Torah, Kohanim and Levites, the King and the Nazarite and then there are the existing moral laws (commandments) for all, Jew and Gentile to follow. Christ did not come to destroy all the laws, but to fulfill the parts of the Temple and sacrifices, Matthew 5:17-20.

Noahic Laws:
Not to worship idols.
Not to curse God.
To establish courts of justice.
Not to commit murder.
Not to commit adultery or sexual immorality.
Not to steal.
Not to eat flesh torn from a living animal.

Mt. Sinai Laws:
You shall have no other gods before Me.
You shall not make idols.
You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.
Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Honor your father and your mother.
You shall not murder.
You shall not commit adultery.
You shall not steal.
You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
You shall not covet.

Part of the ten laws broken down to various commands within one law:
Other gods and idols are as one not to worship, but broke down into two commands
Remember the Sabbath was added to the ten commandments by God as a remembrance of all God did in six days (Gods timing) and rested on the seventh, Genesis 2:1-3; Matthew 12:1-13
To establish courts of justice was only given to Noah for the new generations to come after the flood
Honor your father and mother was not given to Noah, but was added to the ten commandments by God as the generations grew
Not to covet was added to the ten commandments by God, but broke down into seven commands as your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.

Our unity of brotherhood and sisterhood lays in the greatest commandment of love.

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Matt 5 it has been already fulfilled. Once a contract has been fulfilled it ends. Matt 22 is now part of the new testament. Gal 3 backs up what I'm saying we are no longer under the old testament law. Jesus changed the law, and annulled the former commandment. Jesus even changed the definition of justice.

[Heb 7:12, 18
12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law. ...
18 For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness,
 
Squeaky,
This is a reminder to you that we are not a community of debate, and this forum is a growth forum, not a debate forum.

Our statement of faith affirms the Trinity and we have a Terms of Service agreement that you have violated term 2.4 many times in this thread.

Please adhere to the TOS and be respectful in the appropriate forums when posting rebuttles to our SOF.

Thank you.

Jeff

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I am concerned about growth also. But do you want to grow in faith or in deception? Everybody grows. But to what goal?
 
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I am concerned about growth also. But do you want to grow in faith or in deception? Everybody grows. But to what goal?
We grow in Christ and we accept people where they are.
From our POV, we accept that you do not accept the Trinity. We do not invalidate your belief, nor do we push what we know on you.
You have come into our community, and we welcome you. But please know our views and be respectful of them.

If you start anti trinity threads, we will kindly ask you to leave.
 
We grow in Christ and we accept people where they are.
From our POV, we accept that you do not accept the Trinity. We do not invalidate your belief, nor do we push what we know on you.
You have come into our community, and we welcome you. But please know our views and be respectful of them.

If you start anti trinity threads, we will kindly ask you to leave.

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I understand. And I don't debate. I trade talents. If I am ask a question I will answer it with the Holy Spirits guidance.
 
I said
Matt 5 it has been already fulfilled. Once a contract has been fulfilled it ends. Matt 22 is now part of the new testament. Gal 3 backs up what I'm saying we are no longer under the old testament law. Jesus changed the law, and annulled the former commandment. Jesus even changed the definition of justice.

[Heb 7:12, 18
12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law. ...
18 For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness,
Where is it in the bible do it say: we are no longer under the old testament law. But I do say where Paul said: We establish the law, Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. Romans 3:31
 
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I said
Matt 5 it has been already fulfilled. Once a contract has been fulfilled it ends. Matt 22 is now part of the new testament. Gal 3 backs up what I'm saying we are no longer under the old testament law. Jesus changed the law, and annulled the former commandment. Jesus even changed the definition of justice.

[Heb 7:12, 18
12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law. ...
18 For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness,

The only part of the law Jesus fulfilled is that of the Temple sacrifice as we do not sacrifice animals anymore for atonement for sin. The moral laws which I have already given you in post #19 stand today as they did when God gave them to Moses. All the laws will be fulfilled when Christ returns as the moral laws are our obedience to God's will.

There are laws (commandments) that were especially written just for the Hebrews pertaining to the rituals of the Temple, sacrifices, festivals, Torah, Kohanim and Levites, the King and the Nazarite and then there are the existing moral laws (commandments) for all of us to still follow as in prayers and blessings, love and brotherhood, the poor and unfortunate, treatment of the Gentiles, Marriage, divorce and family, forbidden sexual relations, business practices, employees and servants, vows, oaths, swearing, Court and Judicial procedures, injuries and damages, property and property rights, Criminal laws, prophecy, idolatry and all its practices as the moral laws (commandments) keep us in line with the will of God that we present ourselves a vessel of honor that God delights in as we allow the light of Christ shine in us and through us as a testimony of Gods grace and mercy as it is not ourselves that do any good thing, but Gods Spirit working in us and through us as we surrender our will to that of Gods will to be done.
 
Luke 16:16 KJV
The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

The Law and Prophets were the driving influence for a long time. Hidden inside the law and prophetic statements were all sorts of hidden things about the coming kingdom. The law says the same thing as the kingdom (if you are open to hear it speak). Pay the preacher is similar to allow the ox to eat. One is animal husbandry context and the other is church order, but they say the same basic thing.

A Gentile must know his heritage lacks a knowledge of God. A Jew needs to know his heritage was a lot symbolic of things to come. A gentile must know about being grafted in and a Jew must know God declared the sorry low down Gentiles clean.

We all grow in:
Knowledge - facts
Wisdom - how to use those facts
Understanding - how to not insult everyone while growing up.

The resurrection / judgement has things finalized. Till the last trump we are still dealing with .......(things).

Mississippi redneck
eddif
 
It's the unity of the same Spirit being God in the beginning from Genesis 1:1 through Rev 22:21 that has always been, that still is, and always will be throughout eternity. It's all God's Spirit that indwells us of faith in Christ that brings us all together as one body of Christ who is in us and works through us, John 15:5. Jesus said in John 12:44-50 that what He speaks is given Him of the Father and the same with all of us as we can not speak nothing more than what God has already given us to speak. All things come by God's Spirity in the unity of faith that is Christ Jesus.
 
It's the unity of the same Spirit being God in the beginning from Genesis 1:1 through Rev 22:21 that has always been, that still is, and always will be throughout eternity. It's all God's Spirit that indwells us of faith in Christ that brings us all together as one body of Christ who is in us and works through us, John 15:5. Jesus said in John 12:44-50 that what He speaks is given Him of the Father and the same with all of us as we can not speak nothing more than what God has already given us to speak. All things come by God's Spirity in the unity of faith that is Christ Jesus.
 
Well yes and then maybe some clarification.

When I see the moon I see Jesus come to his fullness leave only to come again.
However
Are we saved by staring at the moon?

Colossians 2:16 KJV
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

So much the same, but one is a shadow, and one is a body that casts the shadow.

Mississippi redneck
eddif
 
Well yes and then maybe some clarification.

When I see the moon I see Jesus come to his fullness leave only to come again.
However
Are we saved by staring at the moon?

Colossians 2:16 KJV
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

So much the same, but one is a shadow, and one is a body that casts the shadow.

Mississippi redneck
eddif

The clarification is in the OP as it is by God's grace that we are saved by faith which is Christ Jesus in whom was before the foundation of the world.
 
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