US spies caught Russian officers bragging about causing chaos in the election 6 months before the vo

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  1. Barbarian

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    US spies caught a Russian military-intelligence officer bragging about causing chaos in the upcoming US election six months before the vote, according to a new Time magazine cover story by Massimo Calabresi.

    Although a declassified intelligence report released in January concluded that Russia ordered an influence operation to try to sway the 2016 election, it was in May 2016 that American spies were hearing the first talk of it in Moscow.

    Citing "senior intelligence officials," Time reports that a Russian military officer with the GRU (its military-intelligence agency) was caught speaking with a colleague, saying that he would cause chaos in the upcoming American election as payback for what Hillary Clinton did to foment protests in Russia during her time as secretary of state.

    Here's Time:

    "What the officer didn't know, senior intelligence officials tell TIME, was that U.S. spies were listening. They wrote up the conversation and sent it back to analysts at headquarters, who turned it from raw intelligence into an official report and circulated it. But if the officer's boast seems like a red flag now, at the time U.S. officials didn't know what to make of it. "We didn't really understand the context of it until much later," says the senior intelligence official. Investigators now realize that the officer's boast was the first indication U.S. spies had from their sources that Russia wasn't just hacking email accounts to collect intelligence but was also considering interfering in the vote. Like much of America, many in the U.S. government hadn't imagined the kind of influence operation that Russia was preparing to unleash on the 2016 election. Fewer still realized it had been five years in the making."

    American intelligence later concluded the influence operation was approved by Russian President Vladimir Putin, who had the goal of undermining faith in US democratic institutions, and to harm Hillary Clinton during the campaign and undermine her if she became president.

    "Putin and the Russian government developed a clear preference for President-elect Trump," the report said.
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    I have no doubt that they meddled in our affairs, including trying to influence the election. However, to what extent I do not know but it had zero affect on the outcome. The evidence just doesn't support that conclusion.

    Russia meddles in the affairs of every country and so far is getting a pass for doing it. That they preferred Trump in this election (if true) is of no account. So what? Even Obama had his preference in Israel's election and stated so publicly. There was no outcry from the Left on that one.

    Many, if not most, on the Left cannot believe that Donald Trump actually won. They mocked him for even running and laughed at the idea that he could win. In the end, it was the PEOPLE that voted trump in in the places where it counted most. Russia had nothing to do with how I or anyone else marked their ballot.
     
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    Given Putin's feud with the Clintons, it's pretty clear who he'd prefer!

    The problem isn't making a public statement endorsing a particular candidate, though--obviously that happens all the time. Attempting to sway an election through cyberwarfare, espionage, or other means is very different. (And yes, the United States has absolutely interfered in other countries' elections plenty of times, so perhaps we deserve a taste of our own medicine. That doesn't make it less problematic, though, regardless of whatever effect it may or may not have ultimately had.)
     
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    I agree. What is less clear is the Trump Campaign working or colluding with the Russians. There's no evidence of that. Lots of speculation but no evidence. And it shouldn't be on Donald Trump that Putin preferred him as Prez. Maybe Putin just hated Hillary or maybe he say Trump as a weak man due to his lack of political experience. But that's on Putin and no one else as far as I can see.
     
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    All we have is speculation and allegations, true, but we really have no way of knowing what evidence the FBI actually has and what more it'll obtain. Investigations take plenty of time, but where there's a lot of smoke, there's usually fire also. But we have a special prosecutor now, so the left should settle down over the issue. I hope. :lol

    I wouldn't say that it's Trump's fault that Putin liked him, though. Well, except insofar as it's his fault to have become the type of person Putin would like, I suppose.
     
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    I'll have to admit. This presidency has been a wild ride and it's barely past 100 days! More to come I'm sure.
     
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    All talk and never any evidence.
     
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    It's pretty clear that the Russians did what they could to help Trump. It's also clear from our intelligence that the Russians thought they were decisive in making Trump president. Doesn't mean they were right.

    Trump's people from Sessions, to Manafort, to Flynn and a number of others, had extensive contacts with Russian intelligence. So far, all the evidence for collusion is circumstantial. But at some point, the number of coincidences become compelling.

    Not yet. But the latest revelation that Trump bragged about firing Comey when he was speaking to the Russians, looks pretty bad.

    WASHINGTON — President Trump told Russian officials in the Oval Office this month that firing the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, had relieved “great pressure” on him, according to a document summarizing the meeting.

    “I just fired the head of the F.B.I. He was crazy, a real nut job,” Mr. Trump said, according to the document, which was read to The New York Times by an American official. “I faced great pressure because of Russia. That’s taken off.”

    Mr. Trump added, “I’m not under investigation.”

    The conversation, during a May 10 meeting — the day after he fired Mr. Comey — reinforces the notion that the president dismissed him primarily because of the bureau’s investigation into possible collusion between Mr. Trump’s campaign and Russian operatives. Mr. Trump said as much in one televised interview, but the White House has offered changing justifications for the firing.

    The comments represented an extraordinary moment in the investigation, which centers in part on the administration’s contacts with Russian officials: A day after firing the man leading that inquiry, Mr. Trump disparaged him — to Russian officials.
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    Sean Spicer, the White House press secretary, did not dispute the account.'
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/19/us/politics/trump-russia-comey.html
     
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    Putin must be laughing at the USA and all these conspiracy theorys.

    The Most pathetic is Waters who thinks Trump maybe Putin's secret Agent, and Putin told Agent Trump to call Hillary 'Crooked'. Thats just hilarious.
     
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    Especially if he stops in here...
     
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    Do you ever listen to Kilmeade and friends? They were talking about the US should furnish arms to the Ukraine, that's one way to stir the pot...
     
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    No. I'll have to look them up.
     
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    Speaking of collusion what about CNN and Hillary???
     
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