Vasectomy & Tubectomy - God's Judgment

[Guest]

How does God judge believers on these two choices.
If a believer had these surgeries, how does God judge these surgeries.
I just don't wanna dishonor the body of Christ, of not knowing what he thinks first.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasectomy / http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tubectomy

 

[rayhodge02]

This is a interesting question my wife had this surgery we are both life long followers of Christ...But we both agreed we din't want to have anymore kids we have 3. Unsure why God would judge that...would love to see some feed back

 

[Deborah13]

Well I think you'd have to consider this. How is this different than any other birth control method (that's even somewhat effective) other than abstinence?
And go from there because that is really the question.

 

[Mountain Man]

There is no judgment on this apart from those who meddle in the affairs of others and their personal decisions.

 

[Guest]

So God doesn't care if you cut off the supply, as long as you know the choice is right for you?

 

[Deborah13]

I don't know, I don't see where He says either way. You have multiplied.

Just pray about it urk, the Holy Spirit will be your guide.

 

[reba]

God gives us many things with more then one use.... A tree we can eat the fruit use the shade in its time use the wood to heat the home. or build the home....

Sex has more then one use... yup that is how we get kids but God put the pleasure in sex that side is helpful also...

Maybe a tree was not the smartest example for this topic

 

[Mountain Man]

Since marriage itself is offered as a choice and not a command there is no reason to suspect that one will be "judged" for not producing children or not producing more children,not everyone is cut out to be a parent.

 

[Guest]

Good advice and real talk here, ty ty. love love.

 

[Deborah13]

Since marriage itself is offered as a choice and not a command there is no reason to suspect that one will be "judged" for not producing children or not producing more children,not everyone is cut out to be a parent.

Oh, good points! I'll remember that.

 

[Guest]

What about Genesis 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. Scripture isn't saying that you must multiply, right?

 

[reba]

The right number of children is not the same number for every one.

 

[Guest]

The right number of children is not the same number for every one.

i was sort of referring to the number of children being 0 for me; until well, i die.

 

[reba]

I knew that .. That is your business your's and your wife's and you 2 together with GOD ...

 

[Guest]

[MENTION=47381]reba[/MENTION] i knew you knew, i just have some things to work out in my heart. Blessings. ;)

 

[Obadiah]

What about Genesis 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. Scripture isn't saying that you must multiply, right?

This is probably the only instruction that God ever gave to humans that we have gladly and successfully carried out to the point that we don't need to worry about improving in this area. The earth has been replenished very well.

I think this was an instruction to Adam and Eve in their particular situation, not necessarily a command to all people for all time. If it were, we would have to consider many people who didn't marry and have children (Paul and Jesus to name a couple) to be in violation of God's word. That's just not the case.

 

[Sparkey]

OH NO! Here comes somebody with a different view. Now please, read carefully and know that I've tried to word my response very carefully. Still, I'm only advancing this thought with fear and trembling because it is easy to misunderstand. My prayer is that it is heard well and that each knows that I harbor no ill will. So, having said that let me state my premise: It is good and needful to consider God in all things. Now, it's my way to tell stories and narratives in order to get my point across so ...

There was a young man who was very concerned and troubled by what could be termed "the sexual impulse". He sought to suppress what others considered natural. The reason is his own but in his heart he wanted to walk in a pure manner before the Lord. So, this young man went to those in his church whom he deemed wise and to be his elders and confessed his sin (lust) and sought to have them agree in prayer that the Lord remove the need and desire that he felt where it was seen to try to lead him into sin and sexual immorality.

The choice of brothers was well made it seems because the only prayer that was agreed upon was to ask the Lord to "put to sleep" the strong desire so that the troubled young man may have peace from the battle and so that the door to marriage, if that was the Will of God for this brother in the future, would remain open. The prayer was offered. The answer was given. So now, with that narrative we turn to the aspect that brings fear and trembling. Here it is, in a nutshell: The Lord opens and closes the womb. Is this His prerogative only? Some view all birth control as "stepping over the threshold" and trespass against God. Although I do not support that because there is a sure knowledge in me that the Lord is gracious, it is worthy of consideration under the consideration that all must be done according to faith and with a thankful heart.

So then the word not yet spoken would be that before any irreversible steps be taken it would be wise in my sight to go to your Abba-Father and have a frank discussion with him. No need to report that here, but do go with my blessing and thanks for the wisdom found in my brother, so long ago.

~Sparrow

 

[Mountain Man]

Could it be said that he opens and close the wombs of the righteous,or are we to believe that rape,incestinfidelity etc are blessed by God with an open womb...since i'm a man and don't have a womb how would any of it apply to me ? Most people I talk to who hold the view that birth control is wrong do so because they believe having and enjoying Sex without a price is a form of cheating,sort of like not marrying the Cow because the Milk is free,they think that pleasure is inherently sinful and must be atoned for.

 

[Obadiah]

Where does the Bible say God opens or closes a woman's womb as a prohibition of birth control? I know it talks about that in relation to God giving or not giving a woman the ability to have a baby if it's not taken out of context. But that's not the same thing as making a choice not to have kids. There are many things God individually gives or doesn't give us the ability to do, but we are also told not all things that we have the ability to do are always a good idea to do. Many things are left up to us to pray for God's guidance and use wisdom in our own situations. Where does it actually say we are commanded to have as many kids as physically possible and we are not to have any choice in the matter?

 

[VirginShallConceive]

What about Genesis 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. Scripture isn't saying that you must multiply, right?

First off, I would like to compliment you on what I think is a good thread topic, Urk, since many people argue for either side of this discussion.

I, myself, lean toward "Vasectomy & Tubectomy are okay".



I found this to be a good argument in favor of Vasectomy & Tubectomy:

Well I think you'd have to consider this. How is this different than any other birth control method (that's even somewhat effective) other than abstinence?
And go from there because that is really the question.

I think another good argument for V & T is the fact that some people are physically unable to create babies.

However, I guess one on the opposing side could argue that if God does give you the gift of procreation, then that is what He called you to do. I still find that to be a weak argument because I don't know of any Christian couple who constantly had kids whenever possible throughout their child-bearing life, like having a baby every ten months or so, and then when the wife becomes barren, the wife tells the husband, "Go in unto my maid"(like Sarai told Abram), and then the husband continues to be fruitful and continues to multiply. I've never seen that.