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I have innumerably quoted in my previous posts my strong exception to the easy believism doctrine.
Often I felt ( and you can check in my posts) that its not CONGRUENT or consistent with the REST of the message of God—the Bible.

I have also often mentioned that there is a departure in PAULS doctrine and the REST of the message.

But being continually FED with the gospel truth that ( Paul said-----) I believed every word IN THE BIBLE is the truth. BUT when I started investigating who the ORIGIN OF the heresy of easy believism is it all pointed at the apostle paul .

2 Timothy 3:16-17 ( author Paul!)

16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God[a] may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

Paul Preached Easy Believism


So who is this apostle Paul who has ended up becoming the biggest MOUTHPIECE of Christianity? He is also the FATHER of easy beleivism doctrine which Jesus NEVER taught. Nor did James or peter?

Let us examine who this apostle is:

So who is this apostle Paul who has eneded up becoming the biggest MOUTHPIECE of Christianity. He is also the FATHER of easy beleivism doctrine which Jesus NEVER taught. bor did James or peter

The Conversion of Saul (Acts 9:1-31)
https://bible.org/seriespage/14-conversion-saul-acts-91-31

Imagine for a moment that this is the week of Saul’s arrival at Damascus.129 By this time Saul has gained a reputation as the ringleader of the movement to make Christianity extinct. A devout Hellenistic Jew, of the tribe of Benjamin, born in Tarsus of Cilicia, Saul was a member of the Pharisees and was taught by none other than Gamaliel, whom we have already met (Acts 5:34-40). Saul did not agree with his teacher, Gamaliel, on how the Christians should be dealt with, however. Rather, he sought the arrest, trial, conviction, and punishment (with imprisonment the norm and death the ideal, it would seem) of those in Jerusalem. His career as a persecutor of Christians seems to have begun with Stephen, but it quickly spread to all of the Christians in Jerusalem (Acts 7:58–8:3). Saul was not content to punish some and to drive the rest from the “holy city.” He did not want to merely contain Christianity or to drive it from Jerusalem; he wanted to rid the earth of Christianity and its followers. Thus, his opposition to Christ and His church took on a “missionary” spirit. Saul went to other cities where he sought to arrest Christians and to bring them back to Jerusalem for punishment. Damascus, a city some 150 miles to the northeast of Jerusalem, was one such city. Word was out that Saul would soon be arriving. ( continued in my next post)
 
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Friends, nefore getting upset with me ( i understand it :)) do due dillignce of who this PAUL is. Is he REALLY an apostle of Christ or apostle of SATAN who mixed the good doctrine with a bit of HIS dirty doctrine. Just as he ( satan) did with Adam and Eve and succedee and tried with JESUS, there he failed MISERABLY. Guys satan knows the WORD. But he TWISTS it to hos advantage like Joel olsteen or benny hinn and hundred other false teachers. When satan lost to Christ on the cross, he came forward with a plan—lets get FILTH included in the PRISTINE word of God-- . it's then ( IN MY OPINION) He used the murderer and persecutor of the Church PAUL( saul) to MIX Gods WORD with his ( satan's ) word. And LO we all belived that paul has a revelation. Revelation from WHOM? Who was this Jesus of Damascus? Was it OUR LORD or was it satan himself who was using a murderer and persecutor toDOCTOR and script the DOCTRINE OF EASY BELIEVISM>

Guys while I was tormented by these thoughts, look what happened!
I typed christinforums.com instead of chrsistainforums.net. and what happens?
the first POST I read is that of a fellow believer who posted the following on there. I WANTED desperately to THANK him and congratulate him BUT the cf.com does not allow me since I am BANNED there. Why did they ban me? Ask them. I just posted ONE message in all my life . A four liner—cautioning a poster there to be BIBLIcal or be deceived. That’s all/ that’s HOW I came to CF.net and I have poured out my heart and soul here as io wanted to there too. Please scan each one of my posts. My life and existence is for the Lord. If im calling Paul a false apostle ( and even an apostle for the prince of this world-- SATAN. I would highly recommend doing a due diligence on Pauls doctrine. IS IT consistent with what Jesus taught? Why did the other apostles not accept Paul as an apostle? Did Paul ever walk with Jesus or KNWO hwo he was?

I am posting here the post of a person there on CF.com why he feels apostle pau;l was a fake apostle and WHY is he the father of easy beleivism doctrine


STONE THE APOSTLE PAUL.

In 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 Paul states the Gospel he recieved.

1Co 15:1 Now I made known to you, brothers, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which you also stand,
1Co 15:2 through which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you--unless you believed in vain.
1Co 15:3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,
1Co 15:4 and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,

Interesting that Paul made no mention of having to repent of sins (a phrase you cannot find in the new testatment) or clean yourself up first or promise to do some kind of good or any condition of any kind in conjunction with trust that Jesus died for your sins and rose again. He did not say make Jesus Lord and Savior, he did not say invite Jesus into your heart or all the myriad of various things added to a salvation invitation.

Paul simply said to just trust that Jesus died for your sins and rose again. Nothing more.

To add to this in Acts 19:18-19

Act 19:18 And many of those who had believed were coming, confessing and disclosing their deeds.
Act 19:19 And many of those who were practicing magic brought together their books and burned them up before all...

What is interesting is that it says those who had believed. They was already Christians and they was still practicing magic and other sinful deeds. If the Lordship people had their way, they would have told those people, you are not saved. We need to rewrite this. First you repent of sins and clean yourself up and burn up your books and stop your sinning and then believe in Jesus and you will be saved.

The Corinthian church was the most carnal (“fleshly”) church mentioned in the Bible (1 Corinthians 3:1-4). They were selfish, sexually immoral, and cliquish. And yet Paul did not doubt that they were saved. He speaks of them as brothers and sisters in Christ (1 Corinthians 1:2-9). Paul was harsher on the church of Galatia which, while certainly more moral, but was falling into legalism: works-based righteousness.

Even in James their are believers that are praying for bad things to be done to others. And yet they are believers.

But the Lordship and anti easy believism people would have us believe that promise of good or works plus believe will save us. I like what I heard pastor Joseph Prince said once. Do you get clean before you take a bath or after? You don't get clean before taking a bath that is silly. You take a bath to get clean.

So you don't repent of sins or promise some good to get saved. You do easy believism. You trust in Jesus death and resurrection for your sins period. And then His blood cleanses you and once God is in your life God will work on changing your behavior whether it is witchcraft, sexual immorality or what ever it might be.

The Bible even speaks about turning away from sins to believers. Giving up sin and learning to do good works is a process after your saved, but getting in is as easy as deciding to open the door and walk into the room.

I know many will disagree with the Bible 

I know I know flame on right 

Well this is what I believe.

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friends also check out why Paul calls every "believer " a Saint! . In my( raj Sahu) due diligence I found it was ALMOST everytime it WAS Paul who called every believer a saint ( nothing needed , nothing required...only belief)
I post it for you
All Believers Are Saints

Romans 1:7
to all who are beloved of God in Rome, called as saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
1 Corinthians 1:2
To the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who have been sanctified in Christ Jesus, saints by calling, with all who in every place call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours:
2 Corinthians 1:1
Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, and Timothy our brother, To the church of God which is at Corinth with all the saints who are throughout Achaia:
Colossians 1:2
To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ who are at Colossae: Grace to you and peace from God our Father.
Ephesians 1:1
Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, To the saints who are at Ephesus and who are faithful in Christ Jesus:
Philippians 1:1
Paul and Timothy, bond-servants of Christ Jesus, To all the saints in Christ Jesus who are in Philippi, including the overseers and deacons:
1 Corinthians 14:33
for God is not a God of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints.
Ephesians 2:19
So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God's household,
Colossians 1:26
that is, the mystery which has been hidden from the past ages and generations, but has now been manifested to His saints,
Jude 1:3
Beloved, while I was making every effort to write you about our common salvation, I felt the necessity to write to you appealing that you contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all handed down to the saints.
Ephesians 3:18
may be able to comprehend with all the saints what is the breadth and length and height and depth,
Colossians 1:12
giving thanks to the Father, who has qualified us to share in the inheritance of the saints in Light.
Ephesians 5:3
But immorality or any impurity or greed must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints;
Ephesians 6:18

With all prayer and petition pray at all times in the Spirit, and with this in view, be on the alert with all perseverance and petition for all the saints,
Romans 8:27
and He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.
 
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I understand friends i will lose many friends today-- here on christainforums. net . I know many will be furious at me for stating this post. BUT I request you to do due diligence because what satan is best at is DECEIVING> I would highly recommend studying as many times as you can the LORD'sS words versus Pauls words. pauls doctrine ( which was easy be,eivism) has, unfortunately, become the CENTERPIECE of Christianity. It should NEVER have been. read Peter's words and his message. See how substantially different it is from Paul's doctrine. WHY? peter and other apostles did not MIX/ MINCE their words. Nobody BUT Paul talked about easy believism. Now ask yourself WHY? Did paul walk with jesus even for a day?
 
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My apologies friends/ It was a EUREKA moment for me ( that Paul was a fake apostle) Jesus spoke of in revelations 2: 2.
I wrote a lot in my excitement and discovery. Please excuse my typos and mistakes ( grammatical). I DESPERATELY wanted to share this with you brothers and sisters. Your ire is understandable and acceptable. I chose to go with my heart. CF.net please do not ban me for this. You guys have been very tolerant
 
It's funny, I quoted a fellow on cf.com who seems to believe in easy believism . I apologize. But hopefully my brothers and sisters you will INVESTIGATE thoroughly why I believe Paul was not a true apostle . You'll have to pitch saul's words against Christ's . One question comes to the mind why would Jesus use a persecutor and murderer of His Church to share His doctrine. Why not one of the twelve who walked with him?
 
hi there my dear friend

it is the english translation of paul's words that are confusing

if you read it in greek and if you read his words carefully with this thought - paul cannot disagree with Jesus - then you will see that paul is saying something different than what most people think he says

this is a huge topic that will take a slow careful reading of all of paul's words to understand

so short answer is paul is a true apostle but his words get misunderstood/misinterpreted/mistranslated because his words/teachings are hard to understand - 2 Peter 3:16

i will have to get into that mode again to be able to explain it to you - so i will post again when i've got more to say

but think of this - when i read paul's words it seemed like he was schizophrenic or something

he's pro-law and anti-law

pro-circumcision and anti-circumcision

pro-live by the law - pro-live by grace

and much more

this happens to be paul's rabbinic training to debate the pro's and con's of every issue

most people ignore paul's pro-law statements - and only quote his pro-grace statements

some people quote only paul's pro-law statements - but paul made both kinds of statements

the truth my dear friend is that paul is a true apostle of Christ BUT he is the most misunderstood

God bless you my dear friend

more on this later
 
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hi there my dear friend

it is the english translation of paul's words that are confusing

if you read it in greek and if you read his words carefully with this thought - paul cannot disagree with Jesus - then you will see that paul is saying something different than what most people think he says

this is a huge topic that will take a slow careful reading of all of paul's words to understand

so short answer is paul is a true apostle but his words get misunderstood/misinterpreted/mistranslated because his words/teachings are hard to understand - 2 Peter 3:16

i will have to get into that mode again to be able to explain it to you - so i will post again when i've got more to say

but think of this - when i read paul's words it seemed like he was schizophrenic or something

he's pro-law and anti-law

pro-circumcision and anti-circumcision

pro-live by the law - pro-live by grace

and much more

this happens to be paul's rabbinic training to debate the pro's and con's of every issue

most people ignore paul's pro-law statements - and only quote his pro-grace statements

some people quote only paul's pro-law statements - but paul made both kinds of statements

the truth my dear friend is that paul is a true apostle of Christ BUT he is the most misunderstood

God bless you my dear friend

more on this later
Thank you for your input brother . My intention is to share how I feel. Yes I'm furious at the teachings being handed out today . And no other bible author spoke about " believingis salvation" like Paul . Jesus for one never did . For the Lord it was ALWAYS doing God's will over our. Why was the doctrine changed to believing is saved ? When did Christ teach that? I now finfly call Paul Father of the easy believism ( doctrine) and church. The biggest problem with easy belevism doctrine is it :
1) Takes away the fear of God ( why should I fear God. No one can take my salvation once I believed )
2) obedience ( crux of Christian message) is OPTIONAL ( I'm saved regardless
3) EB doctrine encourages sin since there is no fear of condemnation .
Someone has DEEPLY tampered with the Christian message , the message of Lord Jesus and IMO to me that someone is none other then "apostle " Paul, the Father of easy believism doctrine.
 
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Thank you for your input brother . My intention is to share how I feel. Yes I'm furious at the teachings being handed out today . And no other bible author spoke about " believingis salvation" like Paul . Jesus for one never did . For the Lord it was ALWAYS doing God's will over our. Why wsd the dictrine changed to believing is saved ? When did Christ teach that?
well believing God was always part what pleased God - as per :

1. Adam and Eve not believing
2. Noah believing and obeying
3. Abraham believing against all odds

so grace and believing are in the OT just as much as the NT

but we have been taught OT is only law and NT is only grace and faith

the truth is that grace faith obeying God's laws are from Genesis to Revelation

what is it about easy believism that makes you angry my dear friend?
 
well believing God was always part what pleased God - as per :

1. Adam and Eve not believing
2. Noah believing and obeying
3. Abraham believing against all odds

so grace and believing are in the OT just as much as the NT

but we have been taught OT is only law and NT is only grace and faith

the truth is that grace faith obeying God's laws are from Genesis to Revelation

what is it about easy believism that makes you angry my dear friend?
The pet peeve here is that billions of people are being fed doctrine of " believe and get saved" . Is Jesus fire insurance ? Millions just wish to believe to avoid condemnation ( and enter heaven ) . Beyond that they don't want to follow. Thanks to this days' doctrine .
Genesis 3:1
Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?”
Adam and Eve fell because they failed to obey God. Unfortunately the ruler of this fallen world has used one of his apostles to twist God's truth. It saddens me brother
 
Let us study Jesus's words to Peter AFTER Resurrection. Where is the word Believe? Why does it not appear once in Christ's dialogue with Peter ( John 21: 15-19)

When they had finished eating, Jesus said to Simon Peter, “Simon son of John, do you love me more than these?”

“Yes, Lord,” he said, “you know that I love you.”

Jesus said, “Feed my lambs.”

16 Again Jesus said, “Simon son of John, do you love me?”

He answered, “Yes, Lord, you know that I love you.”

Jesus said, “Take care of my sheep.”

17 The third time he said to him, “Simon son of John, do you love me?”

Peter was hurt because Jesus asked him the third time, “Do you love me?” He said, “Lord, you know all things; you know that I love you.”

Jesus said, “Feed my sheep. 18 Very truly I tell you, when you were younger you dressed yourself and went where you wanted; but when you are old you will stretch out your hands, and someone else will dress you and lead you where you do not want to go.” 19 Jesus said this to indicate the kind of death by which Peter would glorify God. Then he said to him, “Follow me!”
 
so short answer is paul is a true apostle but his words get misunderstood/misinterpreted/mistranslated because his words/teachings are hard to understand - 2 Peter 3:16

as also he writes in all his letters, speaking in them concerning these things, in which letters are some things hard-to-understand which the untaught and unstable twist — as also the other Scriptures— to their own destruction.
2 Peter 3:16 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=2 Peter 3:16&version=DLNT

A few points:
1. “Some things” (not all things) in Paul’s letters are hard-to-understand.
2. The untaught and unstable twist “other Scriptures”, not just some of Paul’s.
3. Peter tells us what these “some things” are (in the first part of the sentence). It’s hard for the untaught to understand that the Lord’s patience IS regarded as salvation (versus our works).

And be regarding the patience of our Lord to be salvation, just as also our beloved brother Paul wrote to you according-to the wisdom having been given to him, ...
2 Peter 3:15 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=2 Peter 3:15&version=DLNT

4. Paul was given wisdom, not contradictions.
5. Oh, and Paul is Peter’s “beloved brother”, not an apostle from Satan.
 
The pet peeve here is that billions of people are being fed doctrine of " believe and get saved" . Is Jesus fire insurance ? Millions just wish to believe to avoid condemnation ( and enter heaven ) . Beyond that they don't want to follow. Thanks to this days' doctrine .
Genesis 3:1
Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?”
Adam and Eve fell because they failed to obey God. Unfortunately the ruler of this fallen world has used one of his apostles to twist God's truth. It saddens me brother
so the thing that bothers you most is that christians believe in Jesus as Savior and yet don't walk as Jesus walked?

i used to be bothered by it too - until i saw what Jesus said to such people in Matthew 7:21-23

don't be angry with them my dear brother - they are in a very precarious place - they VERY much need our prayers
 
The entire premise of easy believism springs forth from Paul's doctrine. Paul was a clever plant of the enemy who had LOST due to Christ's crucifixion. The master deceiver used Paul, to twist the message. Satan knows he lost. He wants to drag as many as he can to where he is headed. IMO he used a murdered and persecuter of the Church for that very purpose. devil knows the word well. He knows how to sugar coat POISON. Else no one would take the poison .therefore many of Paul's truth were surreptitiously mixed with poisonous doctrine and vice versa. That's Paul for us. All my opinion.the church is under a huge deception. This is what I believe. God's own Words were corrupted. That being said , God knows His children will call out fake apostles ( Revelation 2:2)
 
so the thing that bothers you most is that christians believe in Jesus as Savior and yet don't walk as Jesus walked?

i used to be bothered by it too - until i saw what Jesus said to such people in Matthew 7:21-23

don't be angry with them my dear brother - they are in a very precarious place - they VERY much need our prayers
No brother, I'm not mad at brothers or people ( we are just sheep)☺️. I'm furious at the ENEMY who deceived us by mixing good water with dirty water .
 
Let us study Jesus's words to Peter AFTER Resurrection. Where is the word Believe? Why does it not appear once in Christ's dialogue with Peter ( John 21: 15-19)

When they had finished eating, Jesus said to Simon Peter, “Simon son of John, do you love me more than these?”

“Yes, Lord,” he said, “you know that I love you.”

Jesus said, “Feed my lambs.”

16 Again Jesus said, “Simon son of John, do you love me?”

He answered, “Yes, Lord, you know that I love you.”

Jesus said, “Take care of my sheep.”

17 The third time he said to him, “Simon son of John, do you love me?”

Peter was hurt because Jesus asked him the third time, “Do you love me?” He said, “Lord, you know all things; you know that I love you.”

Jesus said, “Feed my sheep. 18 Very truly I tell you, when you were younger you dressed yourself and went where you wanted; but when you are old you will stretch out your hands, and someone else will dress you and lead you where you do not want to go.” 19 Jesus said this to indicate the kind of death by which Peter would glorify God. Then he said to him, “Follow me!”
i think we need to take the whole bible - Genesis to Revelation - to interpret parts of the bible

do a word study of - believe - faith - trust - and you will see that concept is from G-R

do a word study of - obey - walk as Jesus walked - be holy - and you will see that concept is G-R

do a word study of grace - favor - and you will see that concept is G-R

the trouble with the english translators is they changed words between hebrew ot and greek nt - but God has never changed - His teachings are consistent from G-R

the best way to read the bible imo is to read a hebrew version of the entire bible - is that ever an eye opening experience
 
No brother, I'm not mad at brothers or people ( we are just sheep)☺️. I'm furious at the ENEMY who deceived us by mixing good water with dirty water .
amen

imo the best way to defeat the devil is to pray and bind his activity AND to speak the truth in love

doctrines are very entrenched in all of us

we get the best results when we keep love first and truth coated in love

often people reject the truth ONLY because it wasn't spoken/coated in love

i can prove that paul was mis-translated and misunderstood - he really is a true apostle - it's the english translators that messed up

to prepare read paul's words looking for everytime he told us to live right - stop sinning - etc -you will see he promoted law-abiding lifestyle - he is the one who said do we throw away the law - no we uphold it - and several other pro-law statements

God bless you my dear friend
 
i think we need to take the whole bible - Genesis to Revelation - to interpret parts of the bible

do a word study of - believe - faith - trust - and you will see that concept is from G-R

do a word study of - obey - walk as Jesus walked - be holy - and you will see that concept is G-R

do a word study of grace - favor - and you will see that concept is G-R

the trouble with the english translators is they changed words between hebrew ot and greek nt - but God has never changed - His teachings are consistent from G-R

the best way to read the bible imo is to read a hebrew version of the entire bible - is that ever an eye opening experience
Amen. I completely agree.the same themes flow from G to R because God is consistent. No contradictions.
I wish I knew the Hebrew language. For instance in John 3:36 , it seems without obedience there seems to be no chance of salvation. Yet some versions call it rejection. I believe there is a huge difference in not obeying vs rejecting. Look how different translations are interpreting
John 3:36

New International Version
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on them.

New Living Translation
And anyone who believes in God's Son has eternal life. Anyone who doesn't obey the Son will never experience eternal life but remains under God's angry judgment."

English Standard Version
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.

Berean Study Bible
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life. Whoever rejects the Son will not see life. Instead, the wrath of God remains on him."

Berean Literal Bible
The one believing in the Son has eternal life, but the one not obeying the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."

New American Standard Bible
"He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."​
 
The entire premise of easy believism springs forth from Paul's doctrine. Paul was a clever plant of the enemy who had LOST due to Christ's crucifixion. The master deceiver used Paul, to twist the message. Satan knows he lost. He wants to drag as many as he can to where he is headed. IMO he used a murdered and persecuter of the Church for that very purpose. devil knows the word well. He knows how to sugar coat POISON. Else no one would take the poison .therefore many of Paul's truth were surreptitiously mixed with poisonous doctrine and vice versa. That's Paul for us. All my opinion.the church is under a huge deception. This is what I believe. God's own Words were corrupted. That being said , God knows His children will call out fake apostles ( Revelation 2:2)
actually it arose from people who misunderstand what paul said

martin luther wanted to throw out the book of James because he thought it didn't belong in the bible

i'm sorry that you think paul is a false apostle - if you want to discuss specific statements paul made we can do that - but you can't attack paul on any christian forum - that would be why a christian site would ban you

i am willing to take all the time needed to prove paul's statements agree with Jesus on grace faith obedience godliness

but please don't attack paul on any christian forum - you are misunderstanding him and misjudging him

God Bless you my friend
 
The pet peeve here is that billions of people are being fed doctrine of " believe and get saved" . Is Jesus fire insurance ? Millions just wish to believe to avoid condemnation ( and enter heaven ) . Beyond that they don't want to follow. Thanks to this days' doctrine .
Genesis 3:1
Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?”
Adam and Eve fell because they failed to obey God. Unfortunately the ruler of this fallen world has used one of his apostles to twist God's truth. It saddens me brother
this has been a factor for a long time ..there are many out there who are struggling the flesh is weak spirit is willing . there is a constant fight of good and evil. church sign read fishers of men we catch them GOD cleans them.. we have to pray for them.. the old saying we have just enough oil to take care of our self.. when we put our eyes on others than looking to Jesus the author and finisher of our faith. we can take our eyes off the finish line. then get of the path we are to run
 
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