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I do not know about the theology BUT, My 10 year old said, "Jesus had taken ALL THE SIN OF THE WORLD ON HIS SHOULDERS, He had to go the where the sin belonged and bury it there before He could enter the presence of a Holy GOD. I think He did fairly good.
Hi, That is a fair statement for a young believer. But Christ did not bury sin, He took sin completely away as far as the East is from the West. it is never remembered nor can it be dug up again. In the new heaven and earth, if they had a dictionary, you would not even find the word sin, for it will not exist in language or nature. (Revelation Chapters 21 & 22)
 
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Matthew 18:18 "Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

Now, the question is, Does God Bind and loose, and then carries out His will to the believers on earth? Or do the believers bind and loose, and God puts His stamp of approval on their decision? As the Scripture dictates, it is the believers, the Church, that binds and looses. We are looking at that first Century Church here. All one has to do is study that Church in the Book of Acts to realize that God thru the Holy Spirit was one with the Apostles and those early Believers.

The Church of Jesus Christ is the Right Hand of God (Elohim, plural name) Since Israel was supposed to bring glory to God thru introducing Salvation thru Jesus the Son of God, they rebelled against God and Jesus (Messiah) died, rose again, and set up His Church to do what Israel was supposed to do.

Once Constantine got saved, he messed up the whole thing by declaring, or forcing, all connected with him Christians. The Catholic Church emerged from there and the rest is history.

If I did not hit on an important question of yours, please ask again and I'll try and help....I love You. :hug
Hi Chopper,
Let's see if I got Mathew 18:18 right. Read and thought everything over.

How does binding and loosing tie into the will of God...

Jesus in the garden:
Mathew 26:39 "Not my will but your will be done..."

The Lord's Prayer
"They will be done on earth
as it is in heaven."

So it's the will of the Father that must be done. His will is known in heaven and practiced there - it also needs to be on earth.

In the NAS the title for Mathew 18 is: The Church: Its Discipline

So now the church has been established to show us God's Will.
Believers loose and bind based on God's Will.
God puts His stamp of approval, as you say, on the church's decision because it has been established by His Will and to show His Will.
But that decision must be in accordance with what God has taught and what His Will is.
Is this correct?

But a church can have wrong doctrine. If there are two opposing ideas, how could we be sure which one is right? We can't, in my opinion. That's why we're trusting in Jesus for our salvation. However, this loosing and binding has to do with how we ACT, if we're christian and belong in a christian group (as christians were admitted to the group back then and also now) and have the basic traditional christian beliefs NOT what our particular doctrine might be. Is this correct? For instance, I might believe in the possibility of loss of salvation and you may believe in eternal security but this belief is NOT what saves us. OTOH, if I didn't have faith in God or belief in Jesus then I WOULD be lost.

In Christ
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I hope the following will help to explain 1 Peter 3:19....Jesus went, and preached, by His Spirit, enabling Noah to plead with the unrighteous society, for 120 years, to repent.

Peter identifies these spirits that are now in prison because of their rejection of the message of repentance pre-flood.

The preaching of Jesus, thru His Spirit, did not happen while the spirit's of the rebellious society were in prison, but when they were alive, pre-flood.

The Catholic Church has perverted this statement of Peter to establish purgatory, a false theology.
 
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[QUOTE="wondering, post: 1164998, member: 8700"
How does binding and loosing tie into the will of God...
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Ii believe in the Priesthood of every believer, as priest we are God's representatives on earth. There is a great responsibility here.
It has always been the office of a Priest to teach, guide and minister to the people. We are to be the example both in this life and in “Watching for That Glorious Returning”.

Heb 5:10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.
Heb 5:11 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.
Heb 5:5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.
A priest by birth, a priest sanctified to God, a priest from the people, and a priest as spiritual teacher for all, this is the King and priest by birth order of Melchisedec. Why was this Old Testament man selected? Maybe it is because he was both priest by birth and a king.

The point of this discussion, and the many things to say, and hard to be uttered is this priest hood. The fact that Christ is our high priest is not hard to follow, God said it. What that means to us in daily life seems not to have been widely seen. Christ is our High Priest after the order of Melchisedec, that is by birth. When we look beyond our self and see the wondrous Grace of God, and with the simplest Faith reach out to Him, the one who paid sins price with His own Blood, on that old rugged Cross, we are born into the family of God.
It is a birthright with eternal life and eternal responsibility!
Rom 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
Rm 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
Rom 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
Rev 1:6 and hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.

The spirit of adoption making us the children of God and joint-heirs of Christ is the new priesthood. It is the adoption into the family of God. There is much that has not been included in what it means to be a Christian in the teachings of the church. Part may have been because it was hard to say and we are weak of understanding. But, in the history of the church a good part of the problem is telling the Christian story in a way to help those in leadership positions control the masses of people.

How do you tell someone you are a child of the king, heir to rule with Christ, member of the heavenly family, Priest under the High Priest Jesus Christ. You may go directly to the Fathers side with your petitions.

Then tell them I am in charge and will tell you what you need to know and do for the church. I will tell you what the scripture says and all you must do.

The failure to teach the truth about the Priesthood of the Christian is a choice of the leaders in the church to control people and the same grasp for power that lead to both the Reformation and the Enlightenment.

First the priest hood was by firstborn birth, responsible to lead the people to God.
Second is a tribe of Israel chosen by God to replace the birthright.
Third is the High Priesthood of Jesus, and our adoption into the family of God.

1 Peter 2:4-5 (NKJV)
4 Coming to Him as to a living stone, rejected indeed by men, but chosen by God and precious,
5 you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.
1 Peter 2:9 (NKJV)
9 But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;
Revelation 1:5-6 (NKJV)
5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth. To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood,
6 and has made us kings and priests to His God and Father, to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.
Revelation 5:10 (NKJV)
10 And have made us kings and priests to our God; And we shall reign on the earth."
Revelation 20:5-6 (NKJV)
5 But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.

We are adopted heirs to the wonders of God. These verses say Jesus made us kings and priest unto God. We need no one to take our cause to God. We have the adoption of sons, the status of family, and may go to God on His promise and blood.
WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY OF REPRESENTING GOD IN THIS WORLD TO BIND AND LOOSE IN HIS NAME!!
 
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Hi Chopper,
Let's see if I got Mathew 18:18 right. Read and thought everything over.

How does binding and loosing tie into the will of God...

Jesus in the garden:
Mathew 26:39 "Not my will but your will be done..."

The Lord's Prayer
"They will be done on earth
as it is in heaven."

So it's the will of the Father that must be done. His will is known in heaven and practiced there - it also needs to be on earth.

In the NAS the title for Mathew 18 is: The Church: Its Discipline

So now the church has been established to show us God's Will.
Believers loose and bind based on God's Will.
God puts His stamp of approval, as you say, on the church's decision because it has been established by His Will and to show His Will.
But that decision must be in accordance with what God has taught and what His Will is.
Is this correct?

But a church can have wrong doctrine. If there are two opposing ideas, how could we be sure which one is right? We can't, in my opinion. That's why we're trusting in Jesus for our salvation. However, this loosing and binding has to do with how we ACT, if we're christian and belong in a christian group (as christians were admitted to the group back then and also now) and have the basic traditional christian beliefs NOT what our particular doctrine might be. Is this correct? For instance, I might believe in the possibility of loss of salvation and you may believe in eternal security but this belief is NOT what saves us. OTOH, if I didn't have faith in God or belief in Jesus then I WOULD be lost.

In Christ
Wondering
Your "wondering" is correct. One important lesson in this was we are looking at the "first Century Church" not the Church of today. Please notice the direct connection of our Heavenly Father, Jesus the Son of God and Head of His Church and the blessed Holy Spirit in the functioning of the every day events, in the following verses....

Acts 6:1 "And in those days, when the number of the disciples was multiplied, there arose a murmuring of the Grecians against the Hebrews, because their widows were neglected in the daily ministration.
6:2 Then the twelve called the multitude of the disciples unto them, and said, It is not reason that we should leave the word of God, and serve tables.
6:3 Wherefore, brethren, look ye out among you seven men of honest report, full of the Holy Ghost and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business.
6:4 But we will give ourselves continually to prayer, and to the ministry of the word.
6:5 And the saying pleased the whole multitude: and they chose Stephen, a man full of faith and of the Holy Ghost, and Philip, and Prochorus, and Nicanor, and Timon, and Parmenas, and Nicolas a proselyte of Antioch:
6:6 Whom they set before the apostles: and when they had prayed, they laid their hands on them.
6:7 And the word of God increased; and the number of the disciples multiplied in Jerusalem greatly; and a great company of the priests were obedient to the faith.
Act 6:8 And Stephen, full of faith and power, did great wonders and miracles among the people."

Please notice the underlined. I believe this proves the direct involvement of Jesus and His Spirit giving, not only approval, but their involvement with their power and authority in the decisions that the "Twelve" had made....Now, the question that you pose is, are these decisions that the twelve Apostles instituted directly from the Father thru Jesus and His Spirit? Or are they allowed, by God, to evaluate their decisions and either stop them or support them.

Lets look at Romans 12:2.... "be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.".... You said, "But a church can have wrong doctrine. If there are two opposing ideas, how could we be sure which one is right? We can't, in my opinion." You are exactly right. We can't. Why? Church folk are not renewing their minds by studying the Scriptures. We find the will of God in what He says in the Bible, KJV is probably the safest.

In the early Church at Corinth, we see a mandate from God that few churches of today follow....1Co 1:10 "Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment."....This was one way in which the leaders of that 1st Century Church knew that they were functioning in the will of God.

I'll be happy to try and answer any other questions or make what I've said clearer.
 
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I hope the following will help to explain 1 Peter 3:19....Jesus went, and preached, by His Spirit, enabling Noah to plead with the unrighteous society, for 120 years, to repent.

Peter identifies these spirits that are now in prison because of their rejection of the message of repentance pre-flood.

The preaching of Jesus, thru His Spirit, did not happen while the spirit's of the rebellious society were in prison, but when they were alive, pre-flood.

The Catholic Church has perverted this statement of Peter to establish purgatory, a false theology.
Boy am I Mississippi confused. We are kinda ignorant.

Jonah 3:1 KJV
And the word of the LORD came unto Jonah the second time, saying,
2 Arise, go unto Nineveh, that great city, and preach unto it the preaching that I bid thee.
3 So Jonah arose, and went unto Nineveh, according to the word of the LORD. Now Nineveh was an exceeding great city of three days' journey.
4 And Jonah began to enter into the city a day's journey, and he cried, and said, Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown.
5 So the people of Nineveh believed God, and proclaimed a fast, and put on sackcloth, from the greatest of them even to the least of them.
6 For word came unto the king of Nineveh, and he arose from his throne, and he laid his robe from him, and covered him with sackcloth, and sat in ashes.
7 And he caused it to be proclaimed and published through Nineveh by the decree of the king and his nobles, saying, Let neither man nor beast, herd nor flock, taste any thing: let them not feed, nor drink water:
8 But let man and beast be covered with sackcloth, and cry mightily unto God: yea, let them turn every one from his evil way, and from the violence that is in their hands.
9 Who can tell if God will turn and repent, and turn away from his fierce anger, that we perish not?
10 When God saw what they did and how they turned from their evil ways, he relented and did not bring on them the destruction he had threatened.

Now
If you research I think eventually the country was destroyed.
However it appears the preaching was by Jonah for a limited time.

If it is different, where is the scripture?

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Ok I got the ah folks confused.
Jonah
Noah
Oh well.

Well
Two folks preaching to save. One group believed, and the other group perished.

Abraham's bosom folks believed and got white robes and a wait.

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Please notice the underlined. I believe this proves the direct involvement of Jesus and His Spirit giving, not only approval, but their involvement with their power and authority in the decisions that the "Twelve" had made....Now, the question that you pose is, are these decisions that the twelve Apostles instituted directly from the Father thru Jesus and His Spirit? Or are they allowed, by God, to evaluate their decisions and either stop them or support them.


I'll be happy to try and answer any other questions or make what I've said clearer.[/QUOTE]
Hi Chopper, A couple of things that the Lord teaches us. The Apostles or any other part of the body of Christ can do nothing apart from Christ. (John 15: 1-17) The instruction to the disciples in (Matt. 16: 17-20) was Spiritual, not personal, as you brought out. The binding refers more to the opening or closing of doors to the kingdom. weather it be of false doctrine, blasphemy, lust, pride, anti-Christian and evil, The doors of the Kingdom will be closed (bound). (Acts 8: 17-24) (Eph. 5: 1-17) But to the repented, regenerated that have faith in Christ by the preaching of the Gospel by the 12, the door will be opened (loosed).
The disciples had no authority over personally condemning or giving life to a person, for life and death is left up to Christ alone.

But even the Disciples did things contrary to the Holy Spirit. The choosing of a follower of Christ to replace Judas was of the flesh. (Acts 1: 15-26) It is not that Matthias was not a believer or a good man, but is was up to Christ to pick His own Disciples. And He does so, appointing Saul of Tarsus (Acts 9: 1-31) Matthias is never mentioned again in the Scriptures, But Paul (Saul of Tarsus) is called by Christ to call out the Gentiles, a people also of His own.

Paul was warned by the Holy Spirit not to go to Jerusalem, but He goes anyway . Study Acts chapters 20 thru 23 and you will see that because Paul decided against the warning of the Holy Spirit because of his love for Jerusalem and his countrymen, his work was cut short. The point is that none of what we do for the kingdom is as fruitful unless it is in Christ, and not on our own merit. Zeal is good, but without the supernatural power of the Holy Spirit, it will not be fruitful or God approved.
 
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Boy am I Mississippi confused. We are kinda ignorant.

Jonah 3:1 KJV
And the word of the LORD came unto Jonah the second time, saying,
2 Arise, go unto Nineveh, that great city, and preach unto it the preaching that I bid thee.
3 So Jonah arose, and went unto Nineveh, according to the word of the LORD. Now Nineveh was an exceeding great city of three days' journey.
4 And Jonah began to enter into the city a day's journey, and he cried, and said, Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown.
5 So the people of Nineveh believed God, and proclaimed a fast, and put on sackcloth, from the greatest of them even to the least of them.
6 For word came unto the king of Nineveh, and he arose from his throne, and he laid his robe from him, and covered him with sackcloth, and sat in ashes.
7 And he caused it to be proclaimed and published through Nineveh by the decree of the king and his nobles, saying, Let neither man nor beast, herd nor flock, taste any thing: let them not feed, nor drink water:
8 But let man and beast be covered with sackcloth, and cry mightily unto God: yea, let them turn every one from his evil way, and from the violence that is in their hands.
9 Who can tell if God will turn and repent, and turn away from his fierce anger, that we perish not?
10 When God saw what they did and how they turned from their evil ways, he relented and did not bring on them the destruction he had threatened.

Now
If you research I think eventually the country was destroyed.
However it appears the preaching was by Jonah for a limited time.

If it is different, where is the scripture?

eddif[/QUOTE

I'm not sure what you're getting at here. In this case, you have Jonah preaching. In the 1 Peter account you have the Spirit of God thru Noah preaching.
 
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Chopper and Douglas Summers -

What great lessons on binding and loosing.
I've gained much knowledge!

Wondering
If we tie the passage lessons together we will learn more when we get to the debts owed in a few more verses.

Forgiveness in verses?
Matthew 18:15
Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
(Type of prison locking people apart - forgiveness looses bondage)

The same basic idea is all through this passage, but the different viewpoints make it seem different.

The debts owed passage will help us see prison applied to binding and loosing.

I agree this is a good learning experience.

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The preaching of Noah was probably 75 years. (Time to build ark - age of Seth unlocks time frame)

The time from Jonah preaching to destruction was about 125 years.

Not that it really matters

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Your "wondering" is correct. One important lesson in this was we are looking at the "first Century Church" not the Church of today. Please notice the direct connection of our Heavenly Father, Jesus the Son of God and Head of His Church and the blessed Holy Spirit in the functioning of the every day events, in the following verses....

Acts 6:1 "And in those days, when the number of the disciples was multiplied, there arose a murmuring of the Grecians against the Hebrews, because their widows were neglected in the daily ministration.
6:2 Then the twelve called the multitude of the disciples unto them, and said, It is not reason that we should leave the word of God, and serve tables.
6:3 Wherefore, brethren, look ye out among you seven men of honest report, full of the Holy Ghost and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business.
6:4 But we will give ourselves continually to prayer, and to the ministry of the word.
6:5 And the saying pleased the whole multitude: and they chose Stephen, a man full of faith and of the Holy Ghost, and Philip, and Prochorus, and Nicanor, and Timon, and Parmenas, and Nicolas a proselyte of Antioch:
6:6 Whom they set before the apostles: and when they had prayed, they laid their hands on them.
6:7 And the word of God increased; and the number of the disciples multiplied in Jerusalem greatly; and a great company of the priests were obedient to the faith.
Act 6:8 And Stephen, full of faith and power, did great wonders and miracles among the people."

Please notice the underlined. I believe this proves the direct involvement of Jesus and His Spirit giving, not only approval, but their involvement with their power and authority in the decisions that the "Twelve" had made....Now, the question that you pose is, are these decisions that the twelve Apostles instituted directly from the Father thru Jesus and His Spirit? Or are they allowed, by God, to evaluate their decisions and either stop them or support them.

Lets look at Romans 12:2.... "be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.".... You said, "But a church can have wrong doctrine. If there are two opposing ideas, how could we be sure which one is right? We can't, in my opinion." You are exactly right. We can't. Why? Church folk are not renewing their minds by studying the Scriptures. We find the will of God in what He says in the Bible, KJV is probably the safest.

In the early Church at Corinth, we see a mandate from God that few churches of today follow....1Co 1:10 "Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment."....This was one way in which the leaders of that 1st Century Church knew that they were functioning in the will of God.

I'll be happy to try and answer any other questions or make what I've said clearer.
Acts 1:26
And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.

This is probably closer to allowed (before coming of Holy Spirit). Acts 2 the Holy Spirit arrives.

I agree the Stephen selection is more Spirit led.

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[QUOTE="wondering, post: 1164998, member: 8700"
How does binding and loosing tie into the will of God...
Wondering
Ii believe in the Priesthood of every believer, as priest we are God's representatives on earth. There is a great responsibility here.
It has always been the office of a Priest to teach, guide and minister to the people. We are to be the example both in this life and in “Watching for That Glorious Returning”.

Heb 5:10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.
Heb 5:11 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.
Heb 5:5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.
A priest by birth, a priest sanctified to God, a priest from the people, and a priest as spiritual teacher for all, this is the King and priest by birth order of Melchisedec. Why was this Old Testament man selected? Maybe it is because he was both priest by birth and a king.

The point of this discussion, and the many things to say, and hard to be uttered is this priest hood. The fact that Christ is our high priest is not hard to follow, God said it. What that means to us in daily life seems not to have been widely seen. Christ is our High Priest after the order of Melchisedec, that is by birth. When we look beyond our self and see the wondrous Grace of God, and with the simplest Faith reach out to Him, the one who paid sins price with His own Blood, on that old rugged Cross, we are born into the family of God.
It is a birthright with eternal life and eternal responsibility!
Rom 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
Rm 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
Rom 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
Rev 1:6 and hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.

The spirit of adoption making us the children of God and joint-heirs of Christ is the new priesthood. It is the adoption into the family of God. There is much that has not been included in what it means to be a Christian in the teachings of the church. Part may have been because it was hard to say and we are weak of understanding. But, in the history of the church a good part of the problem is telling the Christian story in a way to help those in leadership positions control the masses of people.

How do you tell someone you are a child of the king, heir to rule with Christ, member of the heavenly family, Priest under the High Priest Jesus Christ. You may go directly to the Fathers side with your petitions.

Then tell them I am in charge and will tell you what you need to know and do for the church. I will tell you what the scripture says and all you must do.

The failure to teach the truth about the Priesthood of the Christian is a choice of the leaders in the church to control people and the same grasp for power that lead to both the Reformation and the Enlightenment.

First the priest hood was by firstborn birth, responsible to lead the people to God.
Second is a tribe of Israel chosen by God to replace the birthright.
Third is the High Priesthood of Jesus, and our adoption into the family of God.

1 Peter 2:4-5 (NKJV)
4 Coming to Him as to a living stone, rejected indeed by men, but chosen by God and precious,
5 you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.
1 Peter 2:9 (NKJV)
9 But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;
Revelation 1:5-6 (NKJV)
5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth. To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood,
6 and has made us kings and priests to His God and Father, to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.
Revelation 5:10 (NKJV)
10 And have made us kings and priests to our God; And we shall reign on the earth."
Revelation 20:5-6 (NKJV)
5 But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.

We are adopted heirs to the wonders of God. These verses say Jesus made us kings and priest unto God. We need no one to take our cause to God. We have the adoption of sons, the status of family, and may go to God on His promise and blood.
WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY OF REPRESENTING GOD IN THIS WORLD TO BIND AND LOOSE IN HIS NAME!![/QUOTE]
Well said. The one thing that has been misunderstood is the "adoption of Sons." We are already children of God by rebirth. And as children we were under tooters and teachers until the time that we reach maturity. Adoption is not about relationship, it is about position. Thou we possessed all, we were not masters over it as a child, but only after we reached maturity. Then at the time appointed by the father, we grow up from children of God to adult sons. Rebirth is not adoption, it is a new man, born in the image of Christ. We are not adopted into the family, we are born into the family, and adoption is the placing of a child to an Adult position. That is the whole purpose of Paul's epistle to Galatians . He is not an adopted heir, he is a blood heir by birth. (Gal. 4: 1-31) (Rom. 11: 7-25) is often used to say the Gentile are adopted into the family of God, but (Gal. 3: 25-29) makes that teaching void.
 
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Romans 11:17 KJV
And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

We will get there.

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II Corinthians 4:5
For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.

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Romans 11:17 KJV
And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

We will get there.

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(Rom. 11: 7-25) is often used to say the Gentile are adopted into the family of God, but (Gal. 3: 25-29) makes that teaching void.
 
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(Rom. 11: 7-25) is often used to say the Gentile are adopted into the family of God, but (Gal. 3: 25-29) makes that teaching void.
Yes. Galatians 3:25-29 makes the teaching in Romans 11:7-25 void. Does that mean Paul was wrong in Romans? No.

This was reminding me of how we're grafted in.

The Wedding Banquet or Marriage Feast - Mathew 22:2.14

The king gave a wedding feast for his son, the guests invited didn't show up so the others were invited, from the Main Highways - persons outside of the community - the farms and businesses. So they came to the wedding feast but some got thrown out because they weren't wearing the right clothing. You do have to be dressed properly to sit at the King's table. Now Jesus is our proper clothing. Romans 13:14

Cursing the Fig Tree - Mark 11:13-14
Jesus had been staying overnight at the home of Martha and Mary in Bethany during Holy Week. Every morning He would go down into Jerusalem. One morning He was hungry and wanted to eat some figs from a tree but it had nothing but leaves, so He cursed it. A good analogy that a fruit tree must bear fruit or it will be cursed. Blessings and curses from the old testament covenants.

Sons of Abraham - John 8:33
Jesus was teaching in the temple and had said that the truth shall make us free. Some present, the pharisees, asked what He meant since they were sons of Abraham and had never been slaves. He told them, in John 8:41 that they were doing the deeds of their father, the devil. So we are not sons of Abraham by birth, but by choice. But up to that time we (gentiles) did not have the choice.

Being grafted in - Romans 11:17

There is the main tree. The branch from another tree is grafted in and becomes a part of the main tree. The branch lives and received nourishment from the main tree or root. Jesus is the root, the Jews are the tree and we are the branches.

All of the above is tied in by the New Covenant.
The Old Testament Covenants: Adamic, Abrahamic, Palistinian, Davidic, Mosaic, etc. were between God and the nation of Israel (or what was to become Israel). The New Covenant is made between God and mankind. All are welcomed into the New Covenant, it's not limited to the nation of Israel.
Epesians 2:14-16
Jesus Himself has joined both groups into one. Both the Chosen Believers (Jews) and the "common" believers (non-jews).

There's a progression in the covenants.
Adam - marriage
Noah - a Father, a partiarch, a family
Abraham - A chieftan of tribe, promised a nation
Moses - promised a holy nation
David - a Kingdom to rule over all nations. Fulfilled in
Jesus

So we went from being grafted in to being children of God where there is no distinction between Jew and Gentile, slave nor freeman, male or female.
Galatians 3:28

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February 1st 2016 Matthew 18:19, 20 Ask Anything?

Matthew 18:19 "Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven. 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them."

Here we go with Scripture that is not only quoted a lot in various situations, but is confusing to many who wonder what exactly is Jesus saying?

Ask anything? There must be a prerequisite? What is it?