What are God's commandments in Rev 22:14-15?

[JCitoL]

His generalized Commandment is show of perfect love towards all human/ensouled beings unto abundant and everlasting life

John 12:49-50 "I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting(viz. to be provided abundant and everlasting life to all humankind): whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.",

Galatians 5:14 "For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself(i.e. as you would love yourself)."

Blessings

 

[Mitspa]

So someone who is unsaved or attempting to be justified by following the law apart from faith is under the curse of the law? Would a murderer who could care less about the law, also be under the same curse? Are they not already cut off from Christ irregardless of whether they are trying to be justified or not?

Which leads me to what you posted.



I recall you believe that once someone has accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior, they cannot lose their salvation. Or is my memory terrible?

Of course a "unsaved" person is under the judgment of the law.
We are saved by grace through faith, the law is not faith. The scriptures declare that those who seek to be justified by the law, have fallen from grace. So I am not a OSAS teacher apart from grace. But in grace "real grace" a believer can NEVER fall. The warnings of scripture are mostly for those who beat others with these warnings. It is going to be a fearful thing, when God judges these people by these same scriptures that they attempt to judge others with. For judgment is without mercy on those who have shown no mercy, but mercy rejoices over judgment.

 

[Ryan]

Of course a "unsaved" person is under the judgment of the law.
We are saved by grace through faith, the law is not faith. The scriptures declare that those who seek to be justified by the law, have fallen from grace. So I am not a OSAS teacher apart from grace. But in grace "real grace" a believer can NEVER fall. The warnings of scripture are mostly for those who beat others with these warnings. It is going to be a fearful thing, when God judges these people by these same scriptures that they attempt to judge others with. For judgment is without mercy on those who have shown no mercy, but mercy rejoices over judgment.

But now that I'm saved, I'm free to follow the Law of Moses if I wish without being condemned right?

 

[Mitspa]

But now that I'm saved, I'm free to follow the Law of Moses if I wish without being condemned right?

Well were you "saved" by following the law or by faith in Christ? Did you recieve the Spirit by works of law or by the hearing of faith? Having started in the spirit are you now made perfect by the flesh.
No! this is the very issue Paul warned the Gal. church about, with grave warnings! Those who are under law are cursed, are cut off from Christ and have fallen from grace.
So, if the bible means what it says? and it does! Then or course a "believer" has rejected Christ when they turn back to law. For the law is not of faith.

 

[Ryan]

Well were you "saved" by following the law or by faith in Christ? Did you recieve the Spirit by works of law or by the hearing of faith? Having started in the spirit are you now made perfect by the flesh.
No! this is the very issue Paul warned the Gal. church about, with grave warnings! Those who are under law are cursed, are cut off from Christ and have fallen from grace.
So, if the bible means what it says? and it does! Then or course a "believer" has rejected Christ when they turn back to law. For the law is not of faith.

Nope, I confessed and repented of my sins, acknowledged Jesus Christ as my Lord and Saviour, asked for and received the in dwelling of the Holy Spirit, now have that feeling inside my body that my life is to live for Jesus. So now that I've done that, what's next for me? What should I do?

 

[Mitspa]

Nope, I confessed and repented of my sins, acknowledged Jesus Christ as my Lord and Saviour, asked for and received the in dwelling of the Holy Spirit, now have that feeling inside my body that my life is to live for Jesus. So now that I've done that, what's next for me? What should I do?

Well the New Covenant is a "ministry of righteousness" that in the righteousness of faith the Spirit reveals the glory Christ and as we behold Him in righteousness we are changed into His Image as the Spirit. Now the law is the "ministry of death and condemnation" written in stone "the ten commandments" as we see the truth of the flesh by the law, we die to our dependence on the flesh, and renew our mind to the truth of who we are in spirit, IN CHRIST. as we grow in grace and knowlege of the person of Christ, His very image is formed in us and we grow form glory to glory. This is just basic understanding, the first thing I would suggest is that you read the epistles of Paul over and over, and pray that the Holy Spirit would bring the true light upon your studies.

The very first issue is to see the Cross and the Lords death their as your own, go to the Cross in prayer and consider why God Himself suffered for you. And ask yourself, if the God that made all things suffered for man, what can this mean, but that God has paid the full price for man. Consider the Cross daily and study Pauls epistles, because through them all the other scriptures are opened unto you.

 

[Ryan]

Well the New Covenant is a "ministry of righteousness" that in the righteousness of faith the Spirit reveals the glory Christ and as we behold Him in righteousness we are changed into His Image as the Spirit. Now the law is the "ministry of death and condemnation" written in stone "the ten commandments" as we see the truth of the flesh by the law, we die to our dependence on the flesh, and renew our mind to the truth of who we are in spirit, IN CHRIST. as we grow in grace and knowlege of the person of Christ, His very image is formed in us and we grow form glory to glory. This is just basic understanding, the first thing I would suggest is that you read the epistles of Paul over and over, and pray that the Holy Spirit would bring the true light upon your studies.

The very first issue is to see the Cross and the Lords death their as your own, go to the Cross in prayer and consider why God Himself suffered for you. And ask yourself, if the God that made all things suffered for man, what can this mean, but that God has paid the full price for man. Consider the Cross daily and study Pauls epistles, because through them all the other scriptures are opened unto you.

So study the Word, but is there anything else I should do know one is saved?

 

[reba]

Share the gospel....

To follow those laws one would have to offer a blood sacrifice. I would think after God Sent Jesus to the Cross to offer the blood would be worse then Cain's fruit...

 

[Mitspa]

So study the Word, but is there anything else I should do know one is saved?

Well I did not just say "study the word" did I?
Read my post again, for I said much more than study the word.
Also the understanding of what it means to be a "christian" and to grow in Christ is built upon the sure foundations of faith and love. To attempt to teach beyond this sure foundations is to build upon sand, a house that cannot stand.
So line is put upon line and precept upon precept, here a little and there a little the truth is established in the heart of a believer.
So no sense in teaching a 1st grader the lessons of a 12th grade, if you understand my point?
Also a believer should have the "teacher" The Holy Spirit, a very large part of growth in Christ, is based upon the leading and direction of God in the individual, apart from needed other men to teach them.
For it is written "I WILL BE THERE GOD AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE, AND THEY WILL NOT NEED EVERY MAN TO TEACH THEM, SAYING KNOW THE LORD. FOR ALL SHALL KNOW ME FROM THE LEAST TO THE GREATEST.

This is indwelling of the Holy Spirit, the law written upon the heart. If one fails to understand this connection with God? They will miss the truth of our greatest joy and comfort.

 

[Ryan]

Well I did not just say "study the word" did I?
Read my post again, for I said much more than study the word.
Also the understanding of what it means to be a "christian" and to grow in Christ is built upon the sure foundations of faith and love. To attempt to teach beyond this sure foundations is to build upon sand, a house that cannot stand.
So line is put upon line and precept upon precept, here a little and there a little the truth is established in the heart of a believer.
So no sense in teaching a 1st grader the lessons of a 12th grade, if you understand my point?
Also a believer should have the "teacher" The Holy Spirit, a very large part of growth in Christ, is based upon the leading and direction of God in the individual, apart from needed other men to teach them.
For it is written "I WILL BE THERE GOD AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE, AND THEY WILL NOT NEED EVERY MAN TO TEACH THEM, SAYING KNOW THE LORD. FOR ALL SHALL KNOW ME FROM THE LEAST TO THE GREATEST.

This is indwelling of the Holy Spirit, the law written upon the heart. If one fails to understand this connection with God? They will miss the truth of our greatest joy and comfort.

1 Corinthians 11:1 Be imitators of me, just as I also am of Christ.

Paul said he was imitating Christ. How did Jesus live then?

 

[Mitspa]

1 Corinthians 11:1 Be imitators of me, just as I also am of Christ.

Paul said he was imitating Christ. How did Jesus live then?

Well, He lived by the Spirit of God. He did that which he heard and seen of His Father.
To suggest that Paul is pointing folks back into law, after he had suffered so much in preaching the liberty of Christ from the law, is just not honest in any way.

Over and over Paul taught that we should dare return to the bondage of law, but to walk in the Spirit.
In chapter 10 he had just explained that all things were lawful unto him, but that all things were not helpful to edify others, that we should not put our liberty above the salvation of others souls.
This is the context of the scripture, that as they had seen him use his liberty in Christ, that they also should follow that which they had seen in him.

See those who teach "thou shall not bear false witness" seem to be unable to be honest in the word of God? Why is that?
Because the commandment produces a sinful desire in the flesh of those who pretend to uphold the law.
The very commandment thay pretend to uphold, causes them to sin against the truth.

 

[JLB]

1 Corinthians 11:1 Be imitators of me, just as I also am of Christ.

Paul said he was imitating Christ. How did Jesus live then?

He lived in such a way that caused Him to be crucified by the ones whom His way of life threatened.

The ones who demanded others to keep the law of Moses.


JLB

 

[Ryan]

Well, He lived by the Spirit of God. He did that which he heard and seen of His Father.
To suggest that Paul is pointing folks back into law, after he had suffered so much in preaching the liberty of Christ from the law, is just not honest in any way.

Over and over Paul taught that we should dare return to the bondage of law, but to walk in the Spirit.
In chapter 10 he had just explained that all things were lawful unto him, but that all things were not helpful to edify others, that we should not put our liberty above the salvation of others souls.
This is the context of the scripture, that as they had seen him use his liberty in Christ, that they also should follow that which they had seen in him.

See those who teach "thou shall not bear false witness" seem to be unable to be honest in the word of God? Why is that?
Because the commandment produces a sinful desire in the flesh of those who pretend to uphold the law.
The very commandment thay pretend to uphold, causes them to sin against the truth.

Well, considering Jesus followed the Law of Moses, his very own commandments and instructions and was sinless, gives me a pretty good reason to walk in his footsteps as well. Paul even did so. Jesus living out his life and dying on the cross, was a result of us disobeying his commandments. Jesus was the most perfectest example of how one was to live. He even had disciples (talmadim), that walked, talked, observed everything Jesus did. Disciples are to be a living example of their teachers or masters. As Jesus was clearly living out his law, never heard the disciples complain about it being to difficult. Never saw them at Kepha's house playing checkers while Jesus was observing the Sabbath, never saw them fishing while Jesus was observing Passover, never heard them once complain about being in bondage to the law.

So until then, I will live by the Law of Moses, which one of the laws was to love the Lord your God with all your heart, and if we love the Lord God, one would obey his commandments. If you want to use me as an example of falling from grace because of it, so be it.

 

[Mitspa]

Well, considering Jesus followed the Law of Moses, his very own commandments and instructions and was sinless, gives me a pretty good reason to walk in his footsteps as well. Paul even did so. Jesus living out his life and dying on the cross, was a result of us disobeying his commandments. Jesus was the most perfectest example of how one was to live. He even had disciples (talmadim), that walked, talked, observed everything Jesus did. Disciples are to be a living example of their teachers or masters. As Jesus was clearly living out his law, never heard the disciples complain about it being to difficult. Never saw them at Kepha's house playing checkers while Jesus was observing the Sabbath, never saw them fishing while Jesus was observing Passover, never heard them once complain about being in bondage to the law.

So until then, I will live by the Law of Moses, which one of the laws was to love the Lord your God with all your heart, and if we love the Lord God, one would obey his commandments. If you want to use me as an example of falling from grace because of it, so be it.

Well that all sounds very religious and nice but it is in complete conflict with the clear and evident truth of the gospel Paul preached. He himself said as it relates to the keeping of the law, that he was blamless. Meaning no one could find fault with his law-keeping. But he was not saved nor was he righteous in the eyes of God. He said he counted all his lawkeeping as DUNG, that he only desired to be found in Christ, not having his rightousness, which is by the law, but the righteousness of God through faith.

So Paul said if EVEN AN ANGEL FROM HEAVEN, preached another gospel other than what he had preached, they were cursed. Paul all men will be judged by his gospel.

So you are in GREAT error, and I would warn you not to reject the Spirit of grace, and Holy Commandments of God.
For if you sin willfully in this way, there remains nor more sacrifice for sins, but a fearful expectation of righteous judgment of God. For those who rejected moses was destroyed, how much more will those who reject Christ and count His Blood as a common thing?

You who are justified by law are cut off from Christ, you have fallen from grace. Gal 5

 

[Ryan]

After reading that 40+ page debacle of a thread, I will no longer respond as any further discussion would most likely go the way of that thread. Not interested in circular arguments that produces nothing but hostility and resentment. So lets just leave it at that please.

 

[farouk]

Romans 8.4 reminds us that it is a characteristic of those who are in Christ Jesus to walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit (not supposedly in order to achieve justification or supposedly in order to stay justified, but as those who are under grace).

 

[Mitspa]

After reading that 40+ page debacle of a thread, I will no longer respond as any further discussion would most likely go the way of that thread. Not interested in circular arguments that produces nothing but hostility and resentment. So lets just leave it at that please.

Not sure of what thread you are speaking of? I have made no circular arguments, all my points come to One End. The Cross of Christ! All attempts to justify oneself must be put to death here at Our Lords broken body.
The Cross is the great cause of conflict, it is the sword that the Lord spoke of. For at the Cross all attempts of man to exalt himself is cast down, and here all the humble ones of the whole earth are exalted.
The Cross and righteousness of faith have been the great struggle of good over evil, from the beginning, when Able offered the Lamb and was accepted as righteous, Cain sought to destroy him. He offered that which Gods hates? mans efforts and self-righteousness. So it is not Able that brings this strife into the church, but it is the spirit of Cain.

 

[JLB]

After reading that 40+ page debacle of a thread, I will no longer respond as any further discussion would most likely go the way of that thread. Not interested in circular arguments that produces nothing but hostility and resentment. So lets just leave it at that please.

How about just simply responding to the scriptures that I clearly showed you.

or at least comment on my response to you -


... because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws."


No Law of Moses here.

No written rules or commandments here either.

Abraham walked with God and obeyed His voice, which is what we are called to do today.
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.


JLB

 

[JLB]

"But why do you call Me 'Lord, Lord,' and do not do the things which I say? Luke 6:46


JLB

 

[Mitspa]

How about just simply responding to the scriptures that I clearly showed you.

or at least comment on my response to you -


... because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws."


No Law of Moses here.

No written rules or commandments here either.

Abraham walked with God and obeyed His voice, which is what we are called to do today.
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.


JLB

Good post brother, the Lord has had me thinking on this very issue all this AM as I am at work.

This voice is the Spirit of Christ within us "Christ in you the hope of glory" His sheep hear His voice and they will not follow the voice of another? What did the Father say on the Mt. of trans? This is My beloved Son, hear Him, then the law and the prophets vanished.

Those who HEAR His Spirit, are not hearing the law but are being led by His Spirit.
The law written upon the heart.