What Do Muslims Really Mean When They Invoke The Name Of Jesus?

[tinykitten]

Recently, Christian leaders in America allowed a Muslim imam to lead an Islamic service at the National Cathedral. Leaders of both Houses of Congress stood in solemn silence, heads bowed reverently and respectfully as the names of Allah and Mohammed were venerated in America’s foremost Christian house of worship.

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This article puts apostates like Rick Warren into perspective as he seeks to create and promote an abomination called "chrislam" . A blend of Christianity and islam. Claiming they share much in common including worship of the same God and reverence for Jesus.
Just as also with the pope who believes in inviting muslims to the vatican so they can call the azan, or muslim call to prayer, from the grounds of the holy see.
This article puts those false promotions into perspective. In a time when they are greatly needed as 'leaders' in the faith of Christ are seeking to lead the celestial church astray.
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[Davies]

Hi tinykitten,

I automatically see political expediency and not a body of persons interested in truth. Human nature on display for all of us to see.

Merry Christmas,

- Davies

 

[tinykitten]

Valid considering Islam is a political ideology and not truly a religion. It's clad as a religion to keep its adherents committed to the politic.

 

[childeye]

I see nothing wrong with trying to bridge a peace between two perspectives of The Almighty. The name of Jesus is equated with the Christ. From what I understand about Islam, it seems that Mohammed is their Christ. Therefore Jesus to them, is not the Christ. Though I doubt they even know what the word "Christ" means, even as most people don't.

 

[Malachi]

I see nothing wrong with trying to bridge a peace between two perspectives of The Almighty.

Apparently you are not familiar with what the Koran is, and what it says about Christ and Christians. There cannot be peace between Bible Christianity and Islam, since Satan created Islam to attack the Gospel and attack Christians.

In God's eyes "Chrislam" is an abomination, and Rick Warren will give account for his apostasy. Muslims should be hearing that they need to turn away from Islam (a religion of works) to Christ and His perfect salvation. There is absolutely no bridge between the two.

 

[tinykitten]

I see nothing wrong with trying to bridge a peace between two perspectives of The Almighty. The name of Jesus is equated with the Christ. From what I understand about Islam, it seems that Mohammed is their Christ. Therefore Jesus to them, is not the Christ. Though I doubt they even know what the word "Christ" means, even as most people don't.

Then you know nothing of Islam.
Muhammad is not their Christ. That would be blasphemy to a muslim. Perhaps you should read the Qur'an, though it is meant to be read and understood only in Arabic, so as to understand what islam teaches. Or perhaps just find a book or a website that gives an over view. As it is you speak as one who not only knows nothing of Islam, but nothing at all of Christianity. Otherwise, you would know there is no bridge possible.

 

[childeye]

Then you know nothing of Islam.
Muhammad is not their Christ. That would be blasphemy to a muslim. Perhaps you should read the Qur'an, though it is meant to be read and understood only in Arabic, so as to understand what islam teaches. Or perhaps just find a book or a website that gives an over view. As it is you speak as one who not only knows nothing of Islam, but nothing at all of Christianity. Otherwise, you would know there is no bridge possible.

Perhaps we have a misunderstanding. Muhammad is considered the messenger of God to Muslims as this they say often. This would make Muhammad the true source of Eternal Truth and the Koran God's message to mankind. My question to you would be, do you know what the term "Christ" means? Do Muslims know? Do they agree as Muslims what the term means? Even Christians don't always agree on what the term means. However to understand the term "Christ" is necessary so as to eliminate confusion and misunderstanding.

 

[childeye]

Apparently you are not familiar with what the Koran is, and what it says about Christ and Christians. There cannot be peace between Bible Christianity and Islam, since Satan created Islam to attack the Gospel and attack Christians.

In God's eyes "Chrislam" is an abomination, and Rick Warren will give account for his apostasy. Muslims should be hearing that they need to turn away from Islam (a religion of works) to Christ and His perfect salvation. There is absolutely no bridge between the two.

I sense misunderstanding here. I never vouched for "Chrislam". Perhaps we should define our terms. What do you suppose the term Christ means?

 

[smaller]

Apparently you are not familiar with what the Koran is, and what it says about Christ and Christians. There cannot be peace between Bible Christianity and Islam, since Satan created Islam to attack the Gospel and attack Christians.

In God's eyes "Chrislam" is an abomination, and Rick Warren will give account for his apostasy. Muslims should be hearing that they need to turn away from Islam (a religion of works) to Christ and His perfect salvation. There is absolutely no bridge between the two.

There is similar groundwork that a christian must deploy to engage a Muslim. Muslims/Islam is in no uncertain terms a more vehement law/performance based religion that has it's roots vaguely taken from early Judaism and in effect sprang from the fleshly loins of Abraham through Ishmael.

And even more, it is God Himself who SET them, the children of the flesh, the children of Ishmael, against both Israel and Jews. And against christians perhaps even moreso!

This remains a Divine Reality to this day.

Genesis 16:12
And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.

There is a much deeper lesson to be learned in Ishmael. Much deeper. Paul touches on this matter briefly in Galatians 4, and shows even US christians that Ishmael is a personal problem.

And on that ground we are able to relate and reach out to those of fleshly Ishmael, in the attempts to connect the matters of phony religious actors doing the legality of the law, thinking that is what Perfects us, and instead showing that basis to be essentially a worthless construct to begin with because the problems are assuredly 'internal' in nature, that being sin and lawlessness in the heart.

Easy? Never. But I have had some wonderful conversations with people of Islam who are much more spiritual in their understandings than a lot of christians I engage with on these subjects.

It's probably good for both sides to quit playing the believe like me or fry element that the majority of the proponents on either side seems to want to fall headlong into. There are just much more interesting ways to reach inside and to introduce the Living Word to them, in the form of Jesus Christ. They just don't understand because we are just very poor for the most part in relating and reaching out and SHARING in our understandings. And are equally quick to just pull the eternal damnation triggers on each others and move on.

What a pitiful way to SHARE. Trying to share and engage while sitting on the nuclear red button of eternal damnation will always prove unfruitful to the witnesses on either side of the discussions and will always eliminate the button pushers from being effective. The minute you hit that button, you're both done.

 

[Malachi]

However to understand the term "Christ" is necessary so as to eliminate confusion and misunderstanding.

I don't believe giving Muslims a clear understanding of "Christ" would make any difference.

The English word "Christ" is transliterated from the Greek Christos which is a translation of the Hebrew Mashiach with means "The Anointed One". The Bible reveals that the Lord Jesus Christ is God the Word who was "anointed" or fully empowered by the Holy Spirit as He walked on this earth and was known as Jesus of Nazareth. That Christ is in God the Father and the Father is in Him. All of this is a part of "the Mystery of God".

But the Koran rejects the Deity of Christ, as well as His crucifixion and resurrections for sinners. Islam teaches that good works will get you to Heaven, not faith in the Lord Jesus Christ and His finished work of redemption.

 

[Davies]

Perhaps we have a misunderstanding. Muhammad is considered the messenger of God to Muslims as this they say often. This would make Muhammad the true source of Eternal Truth and the Koran God's message to mankind.

Hi childeye,

I understand what you're saying here is that Muslims consider Muhammad as 'Eternal Truth' and the Koran God's message, but I hope you're able to see that because the Bible and the Koran support different messages, they both can't be valid. So, it really doesn't matter if we know what Christ means. The messages are completely different. What an unbeliever could determine is either one of them is true, or they are both wrong. Just because we believe something, it doesn't make it true.

- Davies

 

[childeye]

I don't believe giving Muslims a clear understanding of "Christ" would make any difference.

I think it is of great importance to eliminate the sources of confusion that divide people who would otherwise agree. For I believe Satan is deceived and deceives by playing both ends against the middle. The inquisition was as much antichrist as any other anti-Gospel ideal is. And yet the inquisition happened by those who believed they were serving Christ. It is the understanding of what the term "Christ" means and it's following implications that make the Gospel what the enemy of Christ is afraid of.

The English word "Christ" is transliterated from the Greek Christos which is a translation of the Hebrew Mashiach with means "The Anointed One". The Bible reveals that the Lord Jesus Christ is God the Word who was "anointed" or fully empowered by the Holy Spirit as He walked on this earth and was known as Jesus of Nazareth. That Christ is in God the Father and the Father is in Him. All of this is a part of "the Mystery of God".

You are correct with the translations, but what do these words "Messiah", "Christ", "anointed one", mean? What are the implications? The correct definition for these words are "the true image of God sent by God".

But the Koran rejects the Deity of Christ, as well as His crucifixion and resurrections for sinners. Islam teaches that good works will get you to Heaven, not faith in the Lord Jesus Christ and His finished work of redemption.

Therefore, they do not understand the meaning of the word Christ and it's implications. Therefore the Koran does not address why a savior is required. Therefore the Muslim is deceived just as all in this the world are, apart from God's revelation through the True Gospel. All True Gospel preachers know they will be persecuted by the very people they seek to enlighten.

 

[childeye]

Hi childeye,

I understand what you're saying here is that Muslims consider Muhammad as 'Eternal Truth' and the Koran God's message, but I hope you're able to see that because the Bible and the Koran support different messages, they both can't be valid. So, it really doesn't matter if we know what Christ means. The messages are completely different. What an unbeliever could determine is either one of them is true, or they are both wrong. Just because we believe something, it doesn't make it true.

- Davies

Not exactly Davies. Yes the Muslim will see the words of Mohammad as the Word of God. Yes I know the Koran is invalid, since it criticizes Jesus as pertains to the term "Christ", while at the same time calling him a prophet of God. All the more reason to understand why the term "Christ" is the issue of division. There is no Gospel understanding if one does not know why a Christ is necessary. Why does mankind need a savior? Why is there vanity and consequently sin? These are questions that come with the realization that the Christ died for the sins of the world. If one accepts Christ as a savoir, the lamb of God, then how can that be of any real conviction in the soul if one doesn't even know why we need a savior?

 

[Davies]

Hi childeye,

I've talked with enough Muslims to understand that they will pay for their sins when they pass into the next life, and at best if there good deeds weigh enough, they can only hope that Allah (I do not equate Allah with God) will be merciful. It is a works based religion. Muslims do not believe in the concept of the kinsman redeemer. There are more differences between the Koran and the Bible leaving no room for a bridge between the two religions. The only thing that Muslims have in common with Christians is that we both sin. We know that we haven't been able to keep the 10 Commandments. I'm sure there are likely to be other things we have in common, but our faith is not one of them to go well beyond the term Christ.

- Davies

 

[childeye]

Hi childeye,

I've talked with enough Muslims to understand that they will pay for their sins when they pass into the next life, and at best if there good deeds weigh enough, they can only hope that Allah (I do not equate Allah with God) will be merciful. It is a works based religion. Muslims do not believe in the concept of the kinsman redeemer. There are more differences between the Koran and the Bible leaving no room for a bridge between the two religions. The only thing that Muslims have in common with Christians is that we both sin. We know that we haven't been able to keep the 10 Commandments. I'm sure there are likely to be other things we have in common, but our faith is not one of them to go well beyond the term Christ.

- Davies

I know this about the Muslim faith. It is works based, which means it does not understand the vanity that eventually becomes sin. Here the term sin is also in need of defining, as well as the term vanity. If understood correctly, then no man could believe in a works based system of righteousness. I define vanity as that ignorance that takes God's gifts for granted in some measure. It is found in all created creatures and cannot be helped, which is why the saved are so saved, through mercy, which is by God's Grace and cannot be by works. As a creature, to not want to have this vanity, is in fact a vanity.

 

[tinykitten]

Perhaps we have a misunderstanding. Muhammad is considered the messenger of God to Muslims as this they say often. This would make Muhammad the true source of Eternal Truth and the Koran God's message to mankind. My question to you would be, do you know what the term "Christ" means? Do Muslims know? Do they agree as Muslims what the term means? Even Christians don't always agree on what the term means. However to understand the term "Christ" is necessary so as to eliminate confusion and misunderstanding.

Yes, I know what "Christ" means.
The fact that Christ is not a term in Islam is telling. Isa, is a messenger of God. Islam does not recognize our Christ.

 

[childeye]

Yes, I know what "Christ" means.
The fact that Christ is not a term in Islam is telling. Isa, is a messenger of God. Islam does not recognize our Christ.

I agree, Islam does not recognize the Christ. Nor do they even know what the term "Christ" means, nor therefore the implications that come with the contemplating of it. They are therefore blind and cannot help it.

 

[tinykitten]

What's your point?

And I disagree. They can help it. They can choose to think about what they're being asked to believe. That humanity was created by allah from a blood clot! And it only gets worse from there.
In Christianity we originated from the dust of the earth. Carbon, which comprises 2/3rds of our being as contemporary sciences qualify that scripture today from Genesis. So there's substance to the words.
And women created from the rib of the man would qualify as a genetic origin given bone marrow contains DNA.

But a blood clot?

 

[childeye]

What's your point?

And I disagree. They can help it. They can choose to think about what they're being asked to believe. That humanity was created by allah from a blood clot! And it only gets worse from there.
In Christianity we originated from the dust of the earth. Carbon, which comprises 2/3rds of our being as contemporary sciences qualify that scripture today from Genesis. So there's substance to the words.
And women created from the rib of the man would qualify as a genetic origin given bone marrow contains DNA.

But a blood clot?

Respectfully, I don't see how deceived people can simply choose, as in "decide", not to be deceived. Otherwise, Christ is a liar when he forgives those who crucify him saying, forgive them for "they know not what they do". For example, Saul did not become Paul by choice/decision. His blindness was removed by God as the bible testifies to, and this resulted in his transformation. Hence conviction comes through the Holy Spirit and not through any persons ability to reason. That is in fact why the Christ is sent. For it stands to reason that God would send a True image of Himself to believe in, even because we have a false image of god at the foundation of our moral reasoning. This false imagery goes unrealized without God opening our eyes and healing our blindness through the revelation that is in the Christ.

 

[tinykitten]

But that would mean that God creates some people to be damned and some to be saved due to the one's who are to be saved being predestined to respond to the resonance of truth that God sends them.
Making free will a total fiction and free choice as well.