What does Joyce Meyers teach?

[jasonc]

I judge with a correct judgement. The church is not a system. They deck christs house out with unneeded luxury items thats idolatry, and pay themselves luxury salarys and sell merchandice in his house of prayer and fellowship. No humble.

the church as in all of them?

I guess that GOLD pot with bulls in the solominic temple was idolatry. wait that was a command. wait what about the other temple things and tabernacle that were made from the gifts by the Egyptians to thrust them out of the land.

its not a sin to have some ornateness that truly does focus one on Jesus. I have a few images of a church, one the earliest catholic churches in America and still in use. very ornate and hallowing. the windows tell a story and point to the cross.

Williie rightly called you out on selectively listening to what meyer has to say. 30 seconds or a minute versus hours or at least that sermon .

my church has some ornateness, sheesh its not a sin, its when it goes overboard its a problem. modern churches are more like rock concert halls rather then the old ones who built with the stain glass windows and other ornateness that had bible stories on them. when you are looking up to the heavens in these you are reminded of the bible descriptions of what it is. do you have a problem with that? I don't. just because a church is small and plain doesn't mean its of God. plenty of these churches that could fit that are all near the poor in Gifford and its sad . I have walked to four last week while reading. two on the north side of the route and two on the south side.

 

[King Dan of Great the 1st]

the church as in all of them?

I guess that GOLD pot with bulls in the solominic temple was idolatry. wait that was a command. wait what about the other temple things and tabernacle that were made from the gifts by the Egyptians to thrust them out of the land.

its not a sin to have some ornateness that truly does focus one on Jesus. I have a few images of a church, one the earliest catholic churches in America and still in use. very ornate and hallowing. the windows tell a story and point to the cross.

Williie rightly called you out on selectively listening to what meyer has to say. 30 seconds or a minute versus hours or at least that sermon .

my church has some ornateness, sheesh its not a sin, its when it goes overboard its a problem. modern churches are more like rock concert halls rather then the old ones who built with the stain glass windows and other ornateness that had bible stories on them. when you are looking up to the heavens in these you are reminded of the bible descriptions of what it is. do you have a problem with that? I don't. just because a church is small and plain doesn't mean its of God. plenty of these churches that could fit that are all near the poor in Gifford and its sad . I have walked to four last week while reading. two on the north side of the route and two on the south side.

Not all churches but the bigger they get the more luxury they live.

As i said, we live in Jesus Church so i woukd guess he would prefer the money to go to another of his church that struggles who's roof is falling off rather than having luxury gold paintings on his church wall.

Its the body of Christ. One body.The church is suppose to be supporting and helping each other. There are thousands of churches that need a helping hand.

No, ministrys like to be seperated and keep it all to themselves. Thats not strengtening and building the church.

I might make errors but i know my intentions are good and i have a clean conscience.

 

[jasonc]

Not all churches but the bigger they get the more luxury they live.

As i said, we live in Jesus Church so i woukd guess he would prefer the money to go to another of his church that struggles who's roof is falling off rather than having luxury gold paintings on his church wall.

Its the body of Christ. One body.The church is suppose to be supporting and helping each other. There are thousands of churches that need a helping hand.

No, ministrys like to be seperated and keep it all to themselves.

I can see you aren't getting it.

sometimes other churches help others and I haven't seen any gold painting on the wall. ornate windows isn't, that's not luxury. its quite cheap. shoot slaves, yes slaves built a church in savannah Georgia and they made those. the church that mlk gave his speech I have a dream was in that church.

I'm not talking about division. I hate that. yes it happens but believe me I have seen a church help another or partner.

 

[King Dan of Great the 1st]

The headquarters and amount furniture I can understand, big numbers need a big place and furniture.

$50 million headquarters furnished with "$5.7 million worth of furniture, artwork, glassware, and the latest equipment and machinery," including a "$30,000 round table, a $23,000 marble-topped antique commode, a $14,000 custom office bookcase, a $7,000 Stations of the Cross in Dresden porcelain, a $6,300 eagle sculpture on a pedestal, another eagle made of silver bought for $5,000, and numerous paintings purchased for $1,000 to $4,000 each," among many other expensive items – all paid for by the ministry.

Dont forget on the side the fat salarys, private jet, luxury cars and luxury estates.

And probably 99% of the people who give to the ministry probably could not afford to go buy just one thousand dollar painting

 

[jasonc]

The headquarters and amount furniture I can understand, big numbers need a big place and furniture.

$50 million headquarters furnished with "$5.7 million worth of furniture, artwork, glassware, and the latest equipment and machinery," including a "$30,000 round table, a $23,000 marble-topped antique commode, a $14,000 custom office bookcase, a $7,000 Stations of the Cross in Dresden porcelain, a $6,300 eagle sculpture on a pedestal, another eagle made of silver bought for $5,000, and numerous paintings purchased for $1,000 to $4,000 each," among many other expensive items – all paid for by the ministry.

Dont forget on the side the fat salarys, private jet, luxury cars and luxury estates.

that's in the past, she is using a royalty which isn't a ministry but a business.

not illegal but not what I suggest. the link I posted mentions all that. people do sell inspirational book and make a ton at it. not illegal. that is what she is doing.

you are confusing what jmm Is doing with joyce meyer. you wont get me defending that . I'm not.

 

[King Dan of Great the 1st]

that's in the past, she is using a royalty which isn't a ministry but a business.

not illegal but not what I suggest. the link I posted mentions all that. people do sell inspirational book and make a ton at it. not illegal. that is what she is doing.

you are confusing what jmm Is doing with joyce meyer. you wont get me defending that . I'm not.

So your saying she runs a business, and she does that out of a non profit organisation right because you buy her books through the ministry, website, at the church and so on. So its a non profit organisation and they sell merchandice out of it for business?

They use Jesus house of prayer and fellowship to sell merchandice and profit and run a business, out of Jesus house of prayer and fellowship.

 

[jasonc]

So your saying she runs a business, and she does that out of a non profit organisation right because you buy her books through the ministry, website, at the church and so on. So its a non profit organisation and they sell merchandice out of it for business?

They use Jesus house of prayer and fellowship to sell merchandice and profit and run a business, out of Jesus house.

not of out the church. they can sell the books there but so are bible sold and other books of less then glamorous ministry. I have been to a great concert in a church , its not a sin .

where else would you expect a Christian author to go? the bar. the beach? you don't print a book , you pay a publisher, the more you sell they will not charge as much. monica has written two books two with Nathan in it. you can select which way you will pay and its by how many you sell and how much you make. so how would you expect a book to be printed? off a home printer?

I know a member in my church who was lead of God to write a children's book and sells them. our church uses them. I can she should not have asked for money and say praise God to the publisher and magically expect the publisher to print it? yes they can give it away but again sooner or later someone has to pay the publisher! that's why they must sell them. sheesh even the Gideons get this. you can donate or buy their bibles. yes God can provide but again some use sales to get the word out. I'm not going to get into the sale to raise money versus praying for offerings. I have seen both work.

 

[King Dan of Great the 1st]

not of out the church. they can sell the books there but so are bible sold and other books of less then glamorous ministry. I have been to a great concert in a church , its not a sin .

where else would you expect a Christian author to go? the bar. the beach? you don't print a book , you pay a publisher, the more you sell they will not charge as much. monica has written two books two with Nathan in it. you can select which way you will pay and its by how many you sell and how much you make. so how would you expect a book to be printed? off a home printer?

I know a member in my church who was lead of God to write a children's book and sells them. our church uses them. I can she should not have asked for money and say praise God to the publisher and magically expect the publisher to print it? yes they can give it away but again sooner or later someone has to pay the publisher! that's why they must sell them. sheesh even the Gideons get this. you can donate or buy their bibles. yes God can provide but again some use sales to get the word out. I'm not going to get into the sale to raise money versus praying for offerings. I have seen both work.

It doesn't matter, merchandice is being sold out of Jesus house of prayer and fellowship. They should do it elsewhere. Go sell them through a book store.

If anything they should be giving away free bibles and books, I mean, they have all the money if they can afford to buy so many luxury items through the ministry.

 

[jasonc]

It doesn't matter, merchandice is being sold out of Jesus house of prayer and fellowship. They should do it elsewhere. Go sell them through a book store.

they do! so let me get this as churches her own nurseries and run schools and those make money. they shouldn't . its a sin to educate and raise up kids on the bible on the church?

jaci sang songs and prayed at meals at the age of 4 from such an effort! I have went to her plays. yet that was held on the church ground as most nurseries use parts of the church and in part because of that will pay taxes. I have no problem with that.

so to fulfill your legalist requirement a church should have its prayer room, pastoral office and educational wing away from where they teach kids,sell books that are edifiying? that makes no sense since the 503 will simply apply to both if that is the case, and if not the land isn't a church legally. ta da!

 

[jasonc]

what if one's county doesn't have a Christian book store? mine doesn't,unless that tiny one is still open.

 

[King Dan of Great the 1st]

So the people freely give to the ministry, the ministry pays a fat salary, then goes back to her luxury abode and sits down at the lilly pond and writes books, then goes back to church and sells them back to the people. Hey dont worry about the Bible read all my books. What a rigged system.

How many books does she have. What a busy scedule and lifestyle. Maybe she needs two private jets.

 

[jasonc]

So the people freely give to the ministry, the ministry pays her a fat salary, then she goes back to her luxury abode and sits down at the lilly pond and writes books, then goes back to church and sells them back to the people. Hey dont worry about the Bible read all my books. What a rigged system.

How many books does she have. What a busy scedule and lifestyle. Maybe she needs two private jets.

She wrote a lot books over the years any time one sells online or print she gets a royalty.it's all legal.

So she or any ,again I'm not a fan of what she does ,Shoukd not use any forum. Blog or any means that must chsrge..if the owner of this forum ,greghead,didn't pay for it this site would be gone. Unless things really have changed the donations are next to nil.

So how exactly Shoukd a believer whose is lead of the spirit get her or his story out there?sure God can raise up givers, again this I know,but we digress into the selling to raise money or giving argument. By selling I mean ,bake sales ,car washes,yard sales.

 

[King Dan of Great the 1st]

She wrote a lot books over the years any time one sells online or print she gets a royalty.it's all legal.

So she or any ,again I'm not a fan of what she does ,Shoukd not use any forum. Blog or any means that must chsrge..if the owner of this forum ,greghead,didn't pay for it this site would be gone. Unless things really have changed the donations are next to nil.

So how exactly Shoukd a believer whose is lead of the spirit get her or his story out there?sure God can raise up givers, again this I know,but we digress into the selling to raise money or giving argument. By selling I mean ,bake sales ,car washes,yard sales.

I know how non profit works. They cannot charge it has to be donations. But a organisation still pays salarys.

If a organisation was recieving and paying someone a million dollar salary and that person lived a lifestyle of luxury and just wrote books in retirement and then sold those books and recieved royalties as a seperate business thats a bit rigged.

 

[jasonc]

I know how non profit works. They cannot charge it has to be donations. But a organisation still pays salarys.

If a organisation was recieving and paying someone a million dollar salary and that person lived a lifestyle of luxury and just wrote books in retirement and then sold those books and recieved royalties as a seperate business thats a bit rigged.

The people who purchase her books are the same people who donate to the ministry, who are the same people who pay her a salary. Well thats herself because she and her husband are President and Vice President and there Sons are the CEO's.

Go to the ministries website there are many books for sale. No bible though. I dont think there is, if there is its somewhere down the bottom.

Not rigged as its not a 503c.it's a business.the irs would not tolerate that.

Can't use funds like that without a real good justification. She couldn't per tax laws use funds for political purposes.

 

[King Dan of Great the 1st]

I was thinking of purchasing the secret to happyness and how to hear from God. Then i remebered I have the all the bible teachings.

 

[jasonc]

I was thinking of purchasing the secret to happyness and how to hear from God. Then i remebered I have the all the bible teachings.

The bible doesn't teach you how he speaKS to you.trust me that will involve the bible but well you will not know what I'm talking about until you go to church.

JournalING a thing my brothers pastor and mine do works but writing what you think you hear from God is where in the bible? It's something thar takes practice and prayer.the old flesh likes to say things and the devil.

 

[King Dan of Great the 1st]

The bible doesn't teach you how he speaKS to you.trust me that will involve the bible but well you will not know what I'm talking about until you go to church.

JournalING a thing my brothers pastor and mine do works but writing what you think you hear from God is where in the bible? It's something thar takes practice and prayer.the old flesh likes to say things and the devil.

So the bible doesn't teach us how God speaks to us but somehow Joyce can.

Anyhow im over speaking about that ministry. I think there just entertainers who have sold out for this world. She refered to God as a all seeing eye. I didn't know God had one eye, I know horus, the god of the sky, of this world, has one eye, and ra.



God speaks to Joyce.

 

[King Dan of Great the 1st]

All prosperity teachings are false. Jesus is enough. That is the Gospel. The Apostles were beaten senceless and walked away rejoicing. There is nothing more than Jesus.

It does not guarentee a great life or wealth or health. The Gospel message is Jesus is enough.

Its not about prosperity and learning a way to try live a really nice blessed life though God, nothing is guarenteed, there all false teachings.

 

[Mike]

kiwidan in my opinion, you've made your point made. You made it pages and pages ago, and it seems your agenda is clear. Character assassination is ugly.

I'm not comparing Meyer to Solomon, but I wonder if you'd be ranting against him like this if you were there as the temple was being built. As any entity gets bigger, so go the facilities they operate in. As ministries get bigger, so go their venues.

I've never listened to her. My hearsay opinion is that she's part of the Prosperity Gospel camp, so that's been enough to steer clear of her for me. That said, these evangelists on TV put themselves out there for criticism continuously. Of course they will be ridiculed for some things they say. We all feel a fraction of that ourselves here when we make any kind of statement. If my views were broadcast everyday on TV and YouTube, I'd have an endless parade of warriors with keyboard courage ranting on me. The difference between she and I is that I'm not Called to be a minister. Unless we have evidence that she hasn't been Called, we ought to take care with the way we speak of her. If she has gone off the rails, He will hold her that extra measure of accountable.

 

[King Dan of Great the 1st]

kiwidan in my opinion, you've made your point made. You made it pages and pages ago, and it seems your agenda is clear. Character assassination is ugly.

I'm not comparing Meyer to Solomon, but I wonder if you'd be ranting against him like this if you were there as the temple was being built. As any entity gets bigger, so go the facilities they operate in. As ministries get bigger, so go their venues.

I've never listened to her. My hearsay opinion is that she's part of the Prosperity Gospel camp, so that's been enough to steer clear of her for me. That said, these evangelists on TV put themselves out there for criticism continuously. Of course they will be ridiculed for some things they say. We all feel a fraction of that ourselves here when we make any kind of statement. If my views were broadcast everyday on TV and YouTube, I'd have an endless parade of warriors with keyboard courage ranting on me. The difference between she and I is that I'm not Called to be a minister. Unless we have evidence that she hasn't been Called, we ought to take care with the way we speak of her. If she has gone off the rails, He will hold her that extra measure of accountable.

Yes I did go on about it a bit too much but it was in general discussion and so i will share my opinions but i didn't really need to go on about it as much as i did.

You say we need evidence if someone is not called and the bible clearly tells us what to watch out for and who are false teachers. Maybe its just me but when it comes to the church, because im a believer in Christ i will always dig deep and scrutinise to test someones calling as the scriptures say many false prophets have gone out, and that was 2000 years ago think about it today. And should we warn others about false teachers. I think we can.

The Gospel message is Jesus is enough.

Nothing is guarenteed as even the Apostles suffered horrifically yet could still come out rejoicing thats the power of the gospel, and wealth, health, or anything else in this world is not guarenteed by God and the message is Jesus is enough in every moment of our lives he is enough. So many prosperity teachings I know are false.

Alot of prosperity teachers have truth and talk scripture yet they add errors and/or use the scriptures to turn people from the truth and teach them to follow the world through Jesus.

Even I make mistakes I dont claim im called as a Teacher or Pastor or anything, I make mistakes and learn from them.

There are some wack false teachers out there. Cefro thinks Adam could fly around and teleport himself anywhere he wanted, and all the planets are God's unfinished work.