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What does the sun, moon, and stars represent in Bible prophecy?

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9 Now when He had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight. 10 And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel, 11 who also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.” Acts 1:9-11

He will come the same way He left.
He will be seen in His resurrected Body.

29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Matthew 24:29-31


JLB
Once again, Christ is claiming divine nature and divine sovereignty. He is not speaking of a literal bodily return.

First, the Old Covenant backgound as applied by Jesus in Matthew 24 to the destruction of Jerusalem. Second, the coming in the clouds as an identifying factor. The one coming in the clouds was to be associated with sovereignty, majesty, and judgment. A literal coming was not envisioned. Thirdly, the emphatic time limitations of the text.

Jesus returned to His pre-Son of Man Glory, Jesus is a Spirit now. John 17:5. Afterall, when we are raised up to Heaven, we wont be flesh and blood, we will be like the angels. 1 Corinthians 15:50, Matthew 22:30, Revelation 6:9-11, and Revelation 20:4. We will be souls.

Jesus is coming in the Glory of the Father. Matthew 16:27. The Father is a Spirit.

You're taking Jesus` declaration of divine sovereignty way too literally. Do you truly honestly believe we will go into heaven as souls, as transformed angelic beings, but Christ will remain flesh and blood? That Christ will still be a man, a substance of flesh, and everyone else will be of celestial substance?????
 

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Once again, Christ is claiming divine nature and divine sovereignty. He is not speaking of a literal bodily return.

One again, the Bible exposes the Heresy of Preterism.


Jesus will return literally, and bodily, as He left for Heaven from Jerusalem.

9 Now when He had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight. 10 And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel, 11 who also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.”Acts 1:9-11

He will come the same way He left.
He will be seen in His resurrected Body.

29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Matthew 24:29-31


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Jesus returned to His pre-Son of Man Glory, Jesus is a Spirit now.

Jesus has a physical resurrected body, that is flesh and bone.

36 Now as they said these things, Jesus Himself stood in the midst of them, and said to them, “Peace to you.” 37 But they were terrified and frightened, and supposed they had seen a spirit. 38 And He said to them, “Why are you troubled? And why do doubts arise in your hearts?39 Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have.
Luke 24:36-39


Likewise when He returns, those who have died, will have their bodies resurrected from the dead, in which they will have immortal bodies that will never die.


50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.” 1 Corinthians 15:50-54


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What Glory did Jesus share with the Father before the human race was created? John 17:5.

What would be the Father`s Glory, that Christ would be coming in? Matthew 16:27.

In what manner did the Father judge the nations during the Bronze age, Old Testament kingdoms? John 5:19,22.

Compare Isaiah 13:13-17, 19:1-4, 34:4-5, Ezekiel 32:7-11 with Matthew 24:29-30, the language is identical!

Jesus is coming in the same Glory as the Father did against Israel, Egypt, Babylon, and Edom before!

And He is going to judge the Old Covenant age in the very same precise manner too.

Why the inconsistency, between these OT fulfilled prophecies and the Olivet Discourse?



Unfortunately, the fundamental literal hermeneutic is unforgivening and close-minded.
 

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Jesus is coming in the same Glory as the Father did against Israel, Egypt, Babylon, and Edom before!

Do you have any scriptures to prove what your opinion is?


Here is one scripture that completely refutes your theory.

29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Matthew 24:29-31`


All the tribes of the earth will see the son of Man coming from heaven to earth, when he returns.


How many people saw God the Father coming from Heaven to earth, in the old testament?



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  • Who is guilty of denying and crucifying Christ? Which generation (genea), 1st century or 21st century? Which generation suffers the blood guilt according to Jesus (Matthew 23:29-36, Luke 11:47-51, 21:22, 21:32)?

Also, in the Bible Old Covenant Israel is referred to as tribes!

The Greek word used in Matthew 24:30 and Revelation 1:7 to describe earth is gé (#1093) and it has multiple meanings demonstrated below:

1093. gé
Strong's Concordance
gé: the earth, land
Original Word: γῆ, γῆς, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: gé
Phonetic Spelling: (ghay)
Short Definition: the earth, soil, land
Definition: the earth, soil, land, region, country, inhabitants of a region.

Another, the Greek word used to describe heaven in Matthew 24:30 is ouranos (#3772), the very same word Paul uses in 2 Corinthians 12:2 to describe third heaven.

What Matthew 24:30 is a beautifully and poetically rendering of a scene in heaven after Christ has received His everlasting HEAVENLY Kingdom, the sign of His coming, or rather the sign of His crowned sovereign judgment will be the destruction of Jerusalem, its temple, and consummate the end of the Old Covenant Israel age FOREVER.

Christ receives His everlasting HEAVENLY Kingdom during the reign of the kings of Rome (Daniel 2:44 and Daniel 7:13-14). And one of the signs of Christ receiving His Heavenly everlasting Kingdom is the fulfilment of Joel 2:28-32 and the outpouring of Holy Spirit on Pentecost, see John 7:39 and Acts 2:32-36.

The literal futurist interpretation has robbed this verse of its beauty and its penetrating truth.
 
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What Matthew 24:30 is a beautifully and poetically rendering of a scene in heaven after Christ has received His everlasting HEAVENLY Kingdom, the sign of His coming, or rather the sign of His crowned sovereign judgment will be the destruction of Jerusalem, its temple, and consummate the end of the Old Covenant Israel age FOREVER.
What Matthew 24:30 is literally teaching us, is Christ will be seen by all the tribes of the earth when He comes at the end of the age to gather His people from heaven and earth for the resurrection and rapture of those who are alive and remain.

29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

At the same time He literally destroys the false messiah, by the brightness of His coming.

8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 2 Thessalonians 2:8

All this is literal and happens in the future.
The coming of the Lord and the resurrection of the dead in Christ is not past.

These signs that will literally occur, will literally cause men's heart fail from fear of what is coming upon the earth, the very signs Jesus told us to look for, to know when the time of His literal coming was near.

25 “And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring; 26 men’s hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 27 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near.” Luke 21:25-28


Why would Jesus tell us to look up, and lift up our heads, when these things begin to happen, if they were not literal?
Why would men have heart failure from things that were not literal?





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Guess folks need to be told to 'look up' cause they are looking so hard for an antichrist

4:27 Added That was meant as silly fun statement for the smiles ..
 
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Guess folks need to be told to 'look up' cause they are looking so hard for an antichrist

4:27 Added That was meant as silly fun statement for the smiles ..

Actually the antichrist that is one of the signs before His coming, then the signs in the sun, moon and stars.



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