What is "REAL GRACE" ?

[Mitspa]

1Co 15:10

But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.

Grace makes you something! and causes you to labor by that grace!

Jas 2:18

Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

 

[reba]

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To hold/accept the wonderful mercys and grace freely given to us does not shine as Christlike.. He is the Son (sun) we but the moon we reflect His light ....

 

[Eventide]

God's only begotten and beloved Son, given by the Father for the sin of the world.

 

[BornAgain]

14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. Romans 6:14 (KJV)


The law did not touch the heart, but under penalties prohibited wrong and excited the rebellious spirit. You are not under this law of works, but under the grace that touches the heart, excites love, and leads to obedience to the law of faith without exciting the rebellious spirit—a faith that works through love. Gospel Advocate

 

[Mitspa]

I agree with all these post! But if we have grace does it produce a fruit?

and what was Paul and James saying?

 

[Eventide]

I agree with all these post! But if we have grace does it produce a fruit?

and what was Paul and James saying?

If we have CHRIST in us, we will see the fruit of HIS Spirit.. love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith... add everything good !

 

[Mitspa]

If we have CHRIST in us, we will see the fruit of HIS Spirit.. love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith... add everything good !

Rom 12:6 (ASV)


And having gifts differing according to the grace that was given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of our faith;
Rom 12:7

or ministry, let us give ourselves to our ministry; or he that teacheth, to his teaching;
Rom 12:8

or he that exhorteth, to his exhorting: he that giveth, let him do it with liberality; he that ruleth, with diligence; he that showeth mercy, with cheerfulness.
Rom 12:9

Let love be without hypocrisy. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.
Rom 12:10

In love of the brethren be tenderly affectioned one to another; in honor preferring one another;
Rom 12:11

in diligence not slothful; fervent in spirit; serving the Lord;

Does not "True Grace" also have work to do in service to God?


Heb 12:28


Wherefore, receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken, let us have grace, whereby we may offer service well-pleasing to God with reverence and awe:
Heb 12:29

for our God is a consuming fire.

Will He not judge that which calls itself "grace" but yet has no works of grace?

 

[Eventide]

Will He not judge that which calls itself "grace" but yet has no works of grace?

What 'works of grace' might you be referring to ?

 

[Mitspa]

What 'works of grace' might you be referring to ?

2Th 1:11

Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfil all the good pleasure of his goodness, and the work of faith with power:
2Th 1:12

That the name of our Lord Jesus Christ may be glorified in you, and ye in him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Heb 10:24

And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works.


Jas 2:24


Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
Jas 2:25

Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?

Jas 2:26

For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.


2Ti 3:17


That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

His Grace first supplies! then has a result in mind?
Do you agree?

 

[Eventide]

His Grace first supplies! then has a result in mind?
Do you agree?

I certainly agree with scripture, if that's what you're asking.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Don't get the grace of salvation and the grace of a gifting confused with one another.

Not only have we received the gift of God's grace in salvation, but we have also received God's grace in the giving of a spiritual gift:

"10 Each one should use whatever gift he has received to serve others, faithfully administering God’s grace in its various forms." (1 Peter 4:10 NIV1984)

We are all alike in regard to the grace of God's forgiveness, but we vary in regard to our particular giftings:

"4 There is one body and one Spirit —just as you were called to one hope when you were called — 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.
7 But to each one of us grace has been given as Christ apportioned it. 8 This is why it says:
“When he ascended on high,
he led captives in his train
and gave gifts to men.”
(Ephesians 4: NIV1984)


We are one in regard to salvation and being in the Body of Christ, BUT we are different in regard to our function in the body, having been given different and varying annointings for service in that body.

"4 Just as each of us has one body with many members, and these members do not all have the same function, 5 so in Christ we who are many form one body, and each member belongs to all the others. 6 We have different gifts, according to the grace given us." (Romans 12:4-5 NIV1984)

 

[Jethro Bodine]

And, might I add...

Walking in the grace of a spiritual gift does not justify a person in regard to either making one righteous, or showing one to be righteous. But so many people seem to think their ministry activities somehow validates them as being righteous in Christ. No. Only the fruit of the Spirit, our obedience, not our service, does that.

 

[Mitspa]

Don't get the grace of salvation and the grace of a gifting confused with one another.

Not only have we received the gift of God's grace in salvation, but we have also received God's grace in the giving of a spiritual gift:

"10 Each one should use whatever gift he has received to serve others, faithfully administering God’s grace in its various forms." (1 Peter 4:10 NIV1984)

We are all alike in regard to the grace of God's forgiveness, but we vary in regard to our particular giftings:

"4 There is one body and one Spirit —just as you were called to one hope when you were called — 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.
7 But to each one of us grace has been given as Christ apportioned it. 8 This is why it says:
“When he ascended on high,
he led captives in his train
and gave gifts to men.â€
(Ephesians 4: NIV1984)


We are one in regard to salvation and being in the Body of Christ, BUT we are different in regard to our function in the body, having been given different and varying annointings for service in that body.

"4 Just as each of us has one body with many members, and these members do not all have the same function, 5 so in Christ we who are many form one body, and each member belongs to all the others. 6 We have different gifts, according to the grace given us." (Romans 12:4-5 NIV1984)

So what is your point? Is there a difference in your mind? between the "grace" that saves, and the "grace" that empowers? If we say we have one? should not the other be clear evidence of having "real grace"?

 

[Mitspa]

And, might I add...

Walking in the grace of a spiritual gift does not justify a person in regard to either making one righteous, or showing one to be righteous. But so many people seem to think their ministry activities somehow validates them as being righteous in Christ. No. Only the fruit of the Spirit, our obedience, not our service, does that.

Jas 2:18

Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

Jas 2:19

Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.:o

 

[Jethro Bodine]

So what is your point? Is there a difference in your mind? between the "grace" that saves, and the "grace" that empowers?

Yes.

Some people receive more 'grace' in regard to a gift and the faith to walk in it than others. But all have the grace of salvation equally and without difference.

If we say we have one? should not the other be clear evidence of having "real grace"?

Eventually, yes, but it's not always so clear. Many people get deceived by charismatic, seemingly spiritually gifted people who turn out to be complete frauds. Gifts, and ministry works are simply NOT the way to discern the grace of salvation in a person. The fruit of the Spirit is.

 

[Butch5]

Jas 2:18

Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

Jas 2:19

Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.:o

You keep posting these passages without context.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Jas 2:18

Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

If you examine the context of James' sermon you'll see that the 'works' he says justifies a person (shows them to be righteous) is the work of the law 'love your neighbor as yourself', not the work of a particular gifting or ministry work.

The obedience of love (a fruit of the Spirit) is the signifying mark of being righteous in Christ, not the sacrifice of one's service in a ministry. But so many people think it is...almost to the utter neglect of what really matters--Christian character as seen in the fruit of the Spirit.

 

[Mitspa]

If you examine the context of James' sermon you'll see that the 'works' he says justifies a person (shows them to be righteous) is the work of the law 'love your neighbor as yourself', not the work of a particular gifting or ministry work.

The obedience of love (a fruit of the Spirit) is the signifying mark of being righteous in Christ, not the sacrifice of one's service in a ministry. But so many people think it is...almost to the utter neglect of what really matters--Christian character as seen in the fruit of the Spirit.

Is "grace" two different things? Does it justify yet not empower? And clearly James was not meaning the work of the law!

Jas 2:24

Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
Jas 2:25

Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?

 

[Mitspa]

You keep posting these passages without context.

So here is "Butch" talking about "context" again?:
:toofunny

Read the post before and after! just like the scriptures!

 

[Jethro Bodine]

...clearly James was not meaning the work of the law!

Wanna bet?

Jas 2:24

Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

Do you think that James is saying a person is made righteous by what he does?


And, please, if this is really just another water baptism thread let us know now.