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ezrider your topic is about what is Salvation and do we still wait for it. I thought that was what we were to discuss. The wedding garment is important to God's salvation, but we differ on what that garment is and when we are clothed in it.

BTW, thank you for showing me how to tag others.


Isaiah 61:10-13
I will greatly rejoice in the Lord,
my soul shall be joyful in my God;
for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation,
he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness,
as a bridegroom decketh himself with ornaments,
and as a bride adorneth herself with her jewels.

For as the earth bringeth forth her bud,
and as the garden causeth the things that are sown in it to spring forth;
so the Lord God will cause righteousness and praise to spring forth
before all the nations.
 
The chosen are those who come to the marriage supper of the Lamb after Jesus returns, Rev 19, as they are then dressed in fine linen, clean and white. This is also the time we exchange our full armour of God for the wedding garment as we will no longer need the full armour of God to withstand the evil anymore, Ephesians 6:10-18.


The gospel armor is something we put on for ourselves. The wedding garment something we are clothed in and is given to us. The gospel armor is made of of many pieces, but the wedding garment is one.
 
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He who warns people of sin is yet himself a servant of sin, looking upon the wrath of God. The servants of the Lord were sent forth to bid them to wedding feast.

Matthew 22:2-3
The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son, And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.

Matthew 22:4
Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage.

Matthew 22:5
But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise:

As John said, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
 
Revelation 19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

Parentheses added by myself for explanation.

Matthew 22:12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? (clothed in God's righteousness) And he was speechless. 13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

The chosen are those who come to the marriage supper of the Lamb after Jesus returns, Rev 19, as they are then dressed in fine linen, clean and white. This is also the time we exchange our full armour of God for the wedding garment as we will no longer need the full armour of God to withstand the evil anymore, Ephesians 6:10-18.
Yes...don't speak to me about eschatology!
So you believe there will be a literal wedding feast?
This was not symbolism?
Then why do we think we believe it was symbolism when Jesus said we are to eat His body??

I believe it refers to Jesus because the N.T. tells us to "put on" Christ. I won't go further because I'm just not sure.

Romans 13:14
Galatians 3:27
Galatians 4:27
 
The gospel armor is something we put on for ourselves. The wedding garment something we are clothed in and is given to us. The gospel armor is made of of many pieces, but the wedding garment is one.

Yes, the gospel armour is that of truth, righteousness, peace, faith, God's salvation, the word of God and prayer. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, Ephesians 6:10-18

Yes, we also have our wedding garment that is God's righteousness we are clothed in. The armour and His righteousness found in us goes hand in hand. The only difference between the armor and wearing fine linen, clean and bright is when we are betrothed to our groom, Christ Jesus, and enter the wedding feast we will no longer have to wear the armour to protect us from wrestling against the principalities, powers, rulers of darkness and spiritual wickedness in high places.
 
He who warns people of sin is yet himself a servant of sin, looking upon the wrath of God. The servants of the Lord were sent forth to bid them to wedding feast.

The servants of the Lord are sent out to proclaim the Gospel of God's salvation to repent of their sin and turn back to Him.

2 Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

How will they know what the wicked ways are if they are not taught to mortify them like what Paul listed in Colossians 3.

Jesus came to seek and save the lost and taught much regarding sin.
John 15:22 If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloak for their sin.

John 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

John 9:39 And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind. 40 And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also? 41 Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.

Hebrews 3:12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. 13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.

These are just a few examples where Jesus taught about sin.
 
Yes...don't speak to me about eschatology!
So you believe there will be a literal wedding feast?
This was not symbolism?
Then why do we think we believe it was symbolism when Jesus said we are to eat His body??

I believe it refers to Jesus because the N.T. tells us to "put on" Christ. I won't go further because I'm just not sure.

Romans 13:14
Galatians 3:27
Galatians 4:27

I'm confused why you do not want to talk to me about eschatology?

Of course the wedding feast is symbolic as I really do not think we are going to sit at a literal banquet table with catered food. As far as that goes with having new glorified bodies that do not consist of flesh and blood I really see no need for actual food in the New Jerusalem.

The parable of the wedding feast is symbolic or likened of the glorious rule of God's kingdom over the earth within the New Jerusalem that will be ushered down from heaven. Rev 21:1-3. A literal wedding feast (reception) is a time of joy and rejoicing of the union between the Bride and Groom. It's a time of celebration. This will be the wedding feast in the New Jerusalem as it will be a time of joy and great rejoicing as we celebrate our union with Christ in God's kingdom.

Any one can take part of this if they believe the truth, repent of their sin and remain faithful to God and His word.
 
The New Jerusalem IS THE BRIDE, the LAMB'S WIFE.


Revelation 21:2
And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Revelation 21:9-10
And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife. And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
 
I don't know.
What?

And God said to Jonah, Doest thou well to be angry for the gourd? And he said, I do well to be angry, even unto death. Then said the Lord, Thou hast had pity on the gourd, for the which thou hast not laboured, neither madest it grow; which came up in a night, and perished in a night: And should not I spare Nineveh, that great city, wherein are more than sixscore thousand persons that cannot discern between their right hand and their left hand; and also much cattle?
 
The New Jerusalem IS THE BRIDE, the LAMB'S WIFE.


Revelation 21:2
And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Revelation 21:9-10
And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife. And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

How can the new Jerusalem be the Bride and also that great city that is holy Jerusalem. Rev 21 is an anaolgy likening the new Jerusalem to a bride that adorns herself for her husband. This is why it says prepared as a bride. John is given great detail what the literal new Jerusalem will look like and the only ones that will enter are those who by God's salvation are saved as their names are written in the Lamb's book of life.

The new Jerusalem is not ushered down until we are caught up to Jesus when He returns being the marriage of the Bride and Groom as we are then joined to Jesus, Matthew 24:29-31; Rev 19. This old heaven and earth are passed away and a new heaven and a new earth is brought forth by God and there will be no more sea. Sea here is symbolic of sinful people and nations as in a sea of humanity, Daniel Chapter 7:1-8; Revelation 13:1; 17:15.

Rev 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
 
What is salvation, what does it mean? Is salvation something that you still wait for?

Getting Saved, Being Saved, and SAVED. Are three different things.

Getting Saved:

Come as you are, Free Gift to whomever will receive it. All Past sins are forgiven. Jesus is Beaten and put on the cross (Sacrificed) to pay for all those past sins. Start the race. Absolutely NO Works required at all, except to believe, confess, and repent. Name is written in the Book of Life.

Being Saved:

Believe and Love One Another, walk in the light, not in darkness, do that which is righteous not that which is unrighteous. OBEY the Bible that your name be not blotted out of the Book of Life. Continue the race. Eternal Life desired. ENDURE to the end.

Keep His Commandments = Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of Him, because we keep His commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in His sight. And this is His commandment, That we should 1) Believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ (Faith), AND 2) Love One Another (Works), as He gave us commandment. And he that keepeth His commandments dwelleth in Him, and He in him. And hereby we know that He abideth in us, by the Spirit which He hath given us.

Saved:

Day of the Lord. Judgement day between the sheep (those who believe and Love One Another) and goats (those who believe and fail to Love One Another). {wolves(unbelievers/unsaved) are not judged at this time}. Name IS still in the Book of Life, because you have endured to the end. Won the race. Raptured up to be with Jesus where He is at (Holy City Jerusalem) Eternal Life assured.

The biggest problem with this generation is false doctrines that do not distinguish between the three, but intermix them altogether as one and the same thing.

Getting Saved is not Being Saved is not actually SAVED. The day a person is actually Saved is only done on ONE Day, the day of the Rapture when the Books are opened and your name is found written therein. That is the ONLY DAY that determines who is SAVED and who is NOT Saved. When you Got Saved, your name is written in the Book of Life, any time during your walk, you can choose to fall away from the Faith, thereby being blotted out of the Book of Life. ONLY on the Day of the Lord is it determined who is and who isn't actually Saved, when the Book of Life is opened and your name is found there, then you are Raptured up to be with Jesus forever and ever. If your name is blotted out or never was written then you are not taken up with Him, there will be much weeping and gnashing of teeth on that day. For MANY who think they are on the narrow and difficult path that leads to life everlasting will realize they were on the broad and wide path that led to destruction. Many are called to Jesus but only a few of those called will actually endure to the end and win the race, and be Raptured.
 
Why it is a great mystery, but none the less it is so: Lively stones built upon a sure foundation!

The great mystery in Ephesians 5:32 is not the marriage, but the relationship between Christ and the church being the body of Christ of whom He being the foundation we are to build upon. When Paul wrote this it was not yet explained/revealed prior to the time of Christ, but Paul made it clear that Jesus had come to offer salvation to all the people both Jew and Gentile who believe in Jesus as Lord and Savior.
 
The gospel armor is something we put on for ourselves. The wedding garment something we are clothed in and is given to us. The gospel armor is made of of many pieces, but the wedding garment is one.
So EZ, following your train of thought...
If the wedding garment is something we are given...
and those not wearing it were banished from the wedding feast....

It means GOD CHOSE who would be dressed properly and who not? It means GOD banished those HE did not want at the wedding feast.

Is my deduction correct?
 
And God said to Jonah, Doest thou well to be angry for the gourd? And he said, I do well to be angry, even unto death. Then said the Lord, Thou hast had pity on the gourd, for the which thou hast not laboured, neither madest it grow; which came up in a night, and perished in a night: And should not I spare Nineveh, that great city, wherein are more than sixscore thousand persons that cannot discern between their right hand and their left hand; and also much cattle?
EZ, you'd have to read post. no. 100 again.

You asked me why God was mad at Jonah.
I said I don't know.
I know the above verses...
But WHY was God mad at him?
What does it have to do with our discussion?
 
I'm confused why you do not want to talk to me about eschatology?

Of course the wedding feast is symbolic as I really do not think we are going to sit at a literal banquet table with catered food. As far as that goes with having new glorified bodies that do not consist of flesh and blood I really see no need for actual food in the New Jerusalem.

The parable of the wedding feast is symbolic or likened of the glorious rule of God's kingdom over the earth within the New Jerusalem that will be ushered down from heaven. Rev 21:1-3. A literal wedding feast (reception) is a time of joy and rejoicing of the union between the Bride and Groom. It's a time of celebration. This will be the wedding feast in the New Jerusalem as it will be a time of joy and great rejoicing as we celebrate our union with Christ in God's kingdom.

Any one can take part of this if they believe the truth, repent of their sin and remain faithful to God and His word.
It's not that I don't WANT to speak to you about it...it's that I don't have much to say.

Some believe the wedding feast is a literal feast where all will be invited. I think this is not true.

The wedding banquest is a parable of how God invited persons to His Kingdom but they did not want to enter; that would be the Jews. So then He invited others, just like Jesus had other sheep, those would be the Gentiles.

But they had to be properly dressed. They had to dress themselves, I don't agree with ezrider that God dressed them. The ones who were not properly dressed were banished from the banquet...the proper dress is Jesus.

I do believe I've already posted this...
To me the New Jerusalem is the New Earth that will be renewed by God and will be sans the evil one -- at the end of the world.

It's this simple for me. I aim to keep it simple...
 
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