Bible Study What Were Those People Thinking?

[HeIsRisen2018]

I was just reading the book of John in my Message Bible and I'm just really curious about something. What did those people hope to accomplish that wanted to kill Lazarus? Jesus just literally raised him from the dead. Did they not think that He could do it again if He wanted to? Ah well stupid people want to do stupid things no matter what the consequences.

 

[reba]

IT was not lazarus they were after it was our Savior ..

Joh 11:46 But some of them went their ways to the Pharisees, and told them what things Jesus had done.
Joh 11:47 Then gathered the chief priests and the Pharisees a council, and said, What do we? for this man doeth many miracles.
Joh 11:48 If we let him thus alone, all men will believe on him: and the Romans shall come and take away both our place and nation.
Joh 11:49 And one of them, named Caiaphas, being the high priest that same year, said unto them, Ye know nothing at all,
Joh 11:50 Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not.
Joh 11:51 And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;
Joh 11:52 And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.
Joh 11:53 Then from that day forth they took counsel together for to put him to death.
Joh 11:54 Jesus therefore walked no more openly among the Jews;

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

IT was not lazarus they were after it was our Savior ..

Joh 11:46 But some of them went their ways to the Pharisees, and told them what things Jesus had done.
Joh 11:47 Then gathered the chief priests and the Pharisees a council, and said, What do we? for this man doeth many miracles.
Joh 11:48 If we let him thus alone, all men will believe on him: and the Romans shall come and take away both our place and nation.
Joh 11:49 And one of them, named Caiaphas, being the high priest that same year, said unto them, Ye know nothing at all,
Joh 11:50 Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not.
Joh 11:51 And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;
Joh 11:52 And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.
Joh 11:53 Then from that day forth they took counsel together for to put him to death.
Joh 11:54 Jesus therefore walked no more openly among the Jews;

I'm answering this before I put my pajamas on. I realize that they were mostly after Jesus but Lazarus is also somebody that they mentioned that they wanted to kill. Maybe it was because he was in connection to Jesus. Ah well...please be patient with me I'm still learning. I am feeling a lot better though just so you know. Good night!

 

[reba]

copied form The message.. Where is does it say anying about killing Lazarus ? what am i missing? Not missing any more found it

Joh 12:10 But the chief priests consulted that they might put Lazarus also to death;
Joh 12:11 Because that by reason of him many of the Jews went away, and believed on Jesus.



45-48 That was a turnaround for many of the Jews who were with Mary. They saw what Jesus did, and believed in him. But some went back to the Pharisees and told on Jesus. The high priests and Pharisees called a meeting of the Jewish ruling body. “What do we do now?” they asked. “This man keeps on doing things, creating God-signs. If we let him go on, pretty soon everyone will be believing in him and the Romans will come and remove what little power and privilege we still have.”

49-52 Then one of them—it was Caiaphas, the designated Chief Priest that year—spoke up, “Don’t you know anything? Can’t you see that it’s to our advantage that one man dies for the people rather than the whole nation be destroyed?” He didn’t say this of his own accord, but as Chief Priest that year he unwittingly prophesied that Jesus was about to die sacrificially for the nation, and not only for the nation but so that all God’s exile-scattered children might be gathered together into one people.

53-54 From that day on, they plotted to kill him. So Jesus no longer went out in public among the Jews. He withdrew into the country bordering the desert to a town called Ephraim and secluded himself there with his disciples.

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

copied form The message.. Where is does it say anying about killing Lazarus ? what am i missing? Not missing any more found it

Joh 12:10 But the chief priests consulted that they might put Lazarus also to death;
Joh 12:11 Because that by reason of him many of the Jews went away, and believed on Jesus.







I think that's basically saying that they still wanted Lazarus dead. However, from the look of those two verses there it is because so many more Jews believed that Jesus was the Son of God. You know, I realize that this is a bit off topic but I'm just really curious about something. Why did Jesus decide that He was going to rise from the grave three days later? Why didn't He just rise again the next day I wonder.

This thing is really weird by the way, even when I tried giving the quoted part enough space and distance it still acts funny sometimes.

 

[th1b.taylor]

The reason, read properly, is, indeed, given in the text but it helps to have a bit more knowledge of the history of Judah and the political forces at work then. Yisra'el (Israel of today) was a Servant State of Rome and they were not happy paying the price to the Pagans, as viewed, openly, in the revolt that ended in 70ad with the destruction of the Temple. In these passages they are, more or less, about 37 years from viewing and suffering these events and being abolished from the earth for a few years short of twenty centuries. In thue words of the High Priest of that year, he knew that Jesus was the Messiah. Other wise, how could Jesus have been the one to die for many?

And it stuck in their craw every time the saw him that died and was entombed walking among them, alive! It did lend great credence to the words Jesus spoke and they could not refute the living proof.

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

Umm... I think I understand but I'm still really confused. Why would it say that they thought about killing Lazarus if they really didn't want to?

 

[th1b.taylor]

Umm... I think I understand but I'm still really confused. Why would it say that they thought about killing Lazarus if they really didn't want to?

No, they wanted him dead, he was a living testament to who Jesus was and to His power. They could not refute his walk when he had been dead for three days.

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

No, they wanted him dead, he was a living testament to who Jesus was and to His power. They could not refute his walk when he had been dead for three days.

Exactly, that's what I thought.

 

[Jim Parker]

What did those people hope to accomplish that wanted to kill Lazarus?

They wanted to get rid of the indisputable evidence of Jesus' holiness.
They wanted to get rid of an irrefutable, powerful witness.
That's what politicians and other gangsters do today. People are murdered and the case is never solved. People commit suicide. People disappear or their car or plane crashes.
Problem solved for the bad guys.
Lazarus made them look bad.
Killing him would solve that problem.

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

Killing him would solve that problem.[/QUOTE]




Really? How so? Are you sure about that? Jesus raised him from the dead!! Why did they think that that wouldn't happen again if they killed him?

 

[Jim Parker]

Killing him would solve that problem.

Really? How so? Are you sure about that? Jesus raised him from the dead!! Why did they think that that wouldn't happen again if they killed him?[/QUOTE]
Because he would no longer be around to be a witness to Jesus' holiness.
He would no longer be an annoyance.
And we don't know if Jesus would raise him again or not.

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

And we don't know if Jesus would raise him again or not.[/QUOTE]



True...but then again what if He did? Then they would have to go through all that trouble again. But yeah, you're right. I'm just asking how did they figure that He wouldn't?

 

[Jim Parker]

True...but then again what if He did?

The question, "What if?" requires speculation (wild, hairy guesses).
It's a useless exercise that will not produce anything useful.