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Who Actually reads ALL of the super-long posts?

Who actually reads ALL of the super-long posts?

  • yes, i read them no matter how long

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just wondering... Personally, if it doesn't fit on my screen, there's not much chance of me reading it....
-andy
 
No, not unless its an original post (as in the author's own and not some copy-paste). Especially copy-pastes from sites I've seen before (a gigantic list). Unless I have a direct interest in going through it for some reason, its just a waste of webspace, as far as I'm concerned.
 
Yep, long Cut and Pastes are tiresome. If I have to scroll to read the a post, it's too long. If the Cut and Paste diatribe is several screens long. I'm not bothering.

Short, to the point, give YOUR opinion instead of parroting someone elses, give the links where appropriate, and for Pete's sake: lose the Cut and Paste!!!
 
I scan the first paragraph to get an idea of the point...after that...no interest. :roll:
 
A lie is told with many words. I will scan enough to find the lie.
 
Willows long cut-n-paste

Testing what Willow “wroteâ€Â

It is very interesting how Willow “writesâ€Â. He cuts-n-pastes without references. Let me analyse where his last long post actually comes from:

Willow: It seems here that why most women want to be over submissive rather then in submission is forseen.
alot desire for a Superiority contest who can be one over the other.
This is why God has his ordenences as far as God is conerned All scripture is inspired by God and his word never changes.

Gary: This first part seems to be Willow’s own words. It is easy to identify. Look for the spelling mistakes.

Willow: Paul laid down the qualifications for a pastor in I Timothy 3:1-7. In verse two, he states that a bishop (pastor or over-seer of a congregation) must be "the husband of one wife" which eliminates any woman from consideration for the office. Also in verse two Paul states that a bishop must be "apt to teach."
Teaching is one of the primary responsibilities of a pastor, yet the scriptures forbid a woman to teach men. "Let the women learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence."
(I Timothy 2:11-12) Any woman who steps into the pulpit to teach or preach the doctrines of the Word to a congregation violates the very Scriptures she is teaching!

Gary: The above lines come DIRECTLY from “Why We Cannot Ordain Women†http://www.baptistpillar.com/bd0146.htm

Willow: This is not saying that women should be in the kitchen and thats it God has plans for women concerning the church Pastorship is not one of them.
I personnaly believe that women in generel has many uses in the church as long as their in submission to Gods word as the final authority on all matters. This is not about being power hungry this is also about what God wants and what his will is for the individual.

Gary: This part seems to be Willow’s own words. It is easy to identify. Look for the spelling mistakes.

Willow: Along this same line Paul told the saints at Corinth: "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn anything, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church."
(I Corinthians 14:34-35) Paul is stating that the God of order has placed in His churches a restriction upon women. They are not permitted to preach or teach men, and it is a shame for them to do so.

Gary: The above few lines again come DIRECTLY from “Why We Cannot Ordain Women†http://www.baptistpillar.com/bd0146.htm

Willow: The thing is you have to ask this question why was adam created first ? Why not eve ? what was the purpose of Eve comming out of the rib of adam.

Gary: This line seems to be Willow’s own words. It is easy to identify. Look for the spelling mistakes.

Willow: Furthermore, the office of the pastor is a position of authority. The writer of Hebrews, speaking of the pastor, said; "Obey them that have the rule over you."
(Hebrews 13:17). This office cannot be occupied scripturally by a woman for the scriptures clearly state she cannot usurp authority over the man (I Timothy 2:12).
It seems the real problem in the issue of the ordination of women is that most are not going to submit to the authority of the Scriptures…...

Gary: The above few lines again come DIRECTLY from “Why We Cannot Ordain Women†http://www.baptistpillar.com/bd0146.htm
Willow has to leave out the last part of the line because it will identify where he has cut-n-pasted from. It says: “In spite of increasing pressure to ordain women, Baptists must hold tenaciously to the Word of God and refuse to bow to any pressure.â€Â

Willow: Jesus' Example
Another objection to women serving in ministry is that Jesus' twelve apostles were all male, and that, by example, only men should be appointed to preaching roles. (Jesus sent His apostles out to spread the gospel to the world, seeking food and shelter where they could find it, facing great danger and ultimately martyrdom. This would not be considered an appropriate role for a woman either in Biblical times or today.) However, many women were among Jesus' larger circle of disciples (Luke 8:1-3), and many women also held important positions in the early Christian Church (Acts 1:12-14, 18:24-26, 21:7-9, Romans 16:1-16).
Although he accepted that people may have different roles in society, Paul proclaimed that all believers are equal in God's sight: You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. (Galatians 3:26-29)
This verse is talking about Salvation not Pastorship
The "no" conclusion: Women cannot be ministers or priests:
Many people look at the twelve (male) apostles, 1 Corinthians 14:33-35, 1 Timothy 2:11-12 and related verses (1 Corinthians 11:3, Ephesians 5:22-23, etc.) and see an absolute prohibition of a ministerial role for women. It is the natural order, decreed by God, that women should forever be subservient to men (Genesis 3:16).

Gary: The above jumbled few paragraphs come DIRECTLY from “What does the Bible say about women in ministry?†http://www.twopaths.com/faq_women.htm

Willow: 1 Timothy 2:11-12. Let a woman learn in silence with full submission. I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she is to keep silent.
This is regarding Spritual authority becouse if the woman was created for the man and the man was created for God the woman would have to be in spritaul submission to the Pastor as Chrsit is the head of the Church man is alway in submission to Christ.

Gary: This part seems to be Willow’s own words. It is easy to identify. Look for the spelling mistakes.

Willow: The "yes" conclusion: Women can serve in ministry.

Gary: The above heading come DIRECTLY from “What does the Bible say about women in ministry?†http://www.twopaths.com/faq_women.htm
What Willow cannot do is copy-n-paste the rest of the paragraph because it goes against what he is trying to prove! It says: “Many others view the New Testament prohibitions simply as practical advice to preserve the sanctity and tranquility of the church and to avoid scandal. Although the New Testament writers passively accepted slavery (1 Corinthians 7:20-24, Colossians 3:22-24, 1 Peter 2:18-21), few people would argue today that we should return to the horrors of slavery. In the same way, although the New Testament writers passively accepted the oppression of women, it does not imply that a leadership role for a woman would be wrong in today's very different society. In fact, some of the great leaders and prophets of Israel were women (Exodus 15:20, Judges 4:4-5, Esther 4:15-17, Luke 2:36-38, etc.), so God could not have intended to exclude women from spiritual and political leadership. Paul's proclamation of equality (Galatians 3:26-29) and Jesus' willingness to defy convention and accept women into his larger circle of disciples (Luke 8:1-3, 10:38-39) should be the guiding principles rather than the customs of the Roman Empire in the first century. Just as women took as large a role in the early Church leadership as was allowed by the conventions of that society (Acts 1:12-14, 18:24-26, 21:7-9, Romans 16:1-16), so women today should be able to serve the Church in whatever positions they are qualified for.†So instead, he inserts his own “comments†under the “yes†conclusion.

Willow: This was not talking about pastor ship or leadership
It is false to say that God allow`s women pastors in the bible this is inaccurate.
A woman can officiate Marrages, Assist Baptisums, Give a word of prophecy and go out and preach to the unbeliving world A woman can not tell a fellow brother in christ that God has commanded you ect....

Gary: This part seems to be Willow’s own words. It is easy to identify. Look for the spelling mistakes.

Conclusion

Willow uses 2 sites; he freely cut-n-pastes selected portions from them; he never references them at all; he selectively uses parts of the cut-n-paste, inserting his own words and comments under the various headings. In short, he does a real plagiarism job. Where I come from and in the universities I have studied at, this is plain theft and deceit. Students are given 0% and warned that they ar “stealing†and being deceitful and that plagiarism (cut-n-paste without references) will result in them being banned from the University and their activities exposed.

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