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Note first!

1 Peter 4
[17] For the time is come that judgment must begin [[at the house]] of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

OK: God's 'House' is to be judged First. So, what takes place here? Christ has not come yet, so the END is not yet, right?

Lets see another thought with that. Who of that 'House of God' are right with God?
Which brings us to 2 Thess. 2:1-12 'Great Falling Away' [before Christ comes again!]

Falling away from what?? And His HOUSE! And this is not talking of the Rev. 17:1-5 ones, for they are already called the Abomination of the Earth! And why is that said so with all of these others even???

So Christs 'HOUSE' is the one of 2 Thess. 2:1-12
[1] Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

(this all takes place before Christ comes again!)

[2] That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

[3] Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, [[except there come a falling away first]], and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

(before Christ's comes there is to be a great falling away.. but from what? and the man of sin is to be proclaimed?? (is that allowed on this site?)

[4] Who opposeth and [[exalteth himself above all that is called God]], or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
[5] Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
[6] And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
[7] For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

(and then later!)

[8] And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the [[Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:]]

(OK: this shaking will need to accure before Christ comes, and is to seperate the church of God. The mystery of iniquity was all ready at work! And today no ones know what that is?? It is still a mystery??:sad And we are told what takes place next??? and is there any reason for a SHAKING today??:sad)

[9] Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

(and we do not even now know where we are at in this 'time' period?:crying One thing seems certain at this juncture, the HOUSE OF GOD has already been judged First as documented above & Shaken to the core!! but, who left whom in Matt. 25:6
[5] While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.
[6] And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
...
[10] And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut. )

AND BACK TO 2 Thess. 2...
[10] And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
[11] And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, [[that they should believe a lie]]:

--Elijah
 
[FONT=Verdana,arial]We post up Bible study on End Time looking for future prophecy to know when the time is near! Jeff on another site asks this question below.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana,arial]I am looking for the USA Law of Caesar as seen in Romans 13. Could you help me find that? [/FONT]


Jeff, has the Lord came yet??? Will He come??? What kind of a remark is that if not directly identified with the wrong ones of 2 Cor. 4:2?? I had thought that you 'might' be looking for prophecy [[pointing]] to His Coming. It seems that you are not!

So you can join the '[Lords Day Alliance]' & help them to do what ever it is that their worldwide membership has been doing for some years now, if that is your desire.
They even have the young 'real children' send in their sun sabbath articles to publish with completely (sincere but totally ignorant) false stories. And never even a 'hint' to correct the fostering of this + the many adult Jer. 17:5's writers Minister's of your Rev. 17:1-5 groups! You know ecumenical. (just tack in the above highlight on the computer heading & it should come up)

It does little good to give you ex/Adventist material of those who believe this truth, because you are so prejudiced that it DOES NO GOOD! (and yes, you have some Adventist in the family 'i' think that you said? perhaps that is the problem?) Even with the Eccl. verses you seem to try to make 'cute', with sharp remarks against. 2 Cor. 4:2. Remember kid'o, that I had been around this stuff for many years in the SDA church.

So I even question your reason for wanting to know what will soon be a repeat of testing before Christ's very own will be mature for heaven. Nah. 1:9 And 666 will be a life or death test of who the one are that loves Him just before they enter into our (Exod. 16:35)'Land of Canaan'! 'IF' ye LOVE ME KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS! And the testing was & is again on only 'one', that will do the trick! James 2:10 And what one command does one see the world hating the most? Dan. 7:25

But you do think that it is all being wrapped up prophecy/wise it seems? (Matt. 24:21 on.) Yet, you dump the previous verse
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+ Eccl. 3:15! and to do that you must do something to [Christ's WORD OF DOCUMENTED FACT] of Matt.24:14 ALSO!! Why so??? Because of His Inspirational TRUTH told us in Rom. 10:16-18 + Col. 1:23 in the year approximately of 60-64 AD


Did Christ Lie?? No way, the whole BOOK (66) are His Truths. He has told us that Matt. 24 MUST BE REPEATED! (and you fault SDA, & then say that it was the Baptist preacher William Miller who predicted Christ Second Coming, really some stuff there Jeffery!
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And I had posted up 'here' a site of a ex/adventist who does believe much as I do. They do put out a small News Paper of worldwide events on just this subject. (mostly) All of it is documented. (And it is free!)

The author has been tested. He was sued by the SDA church for saying that he was a SDA while using their Trade/Marked name. (drug through the Courts) We disagree on that as you know, (Isa. 62:2's repeat) for I find it impossible to want to be 'yoked' to that name with the 'known' garbage even such as law-suits seen!

You do know, you have never answered my question put to you about a forced law for sun worship?? (first quarantine & then death) And even then, you surely know that there are, and have been, such 'partial' laws on the books in various states. And with all of satan's hell breaking loose (so to speak) world/WIDE! (Matt. 24:21) we are again finding the major reason for this pushing forward on this by most people. For what Rev. 17:1-5 person is against it??

Here is the paper called:

'The Eternal Gospel Herald'

1-800-769-2150 (toll free)

eternalgospel@att.net

--Elijah













































 
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I definitely believe we are in the end times as Israel was re-born in 1948. These are exciting times to be alive. We are a very privileged generation. :thumbsup
 
I definitely believe we are in the end times as Israel was re-born in 1948. These are exciting times to be alive. We are a very privileged generation. :thumbsup
modern day isreal has no biblical prophecy to it. god didnt gather isreal back to be a secular humanist nation with freedom of religion for all who live there.Nor would he allow gays their to marry or abortion.
 
modern day isreal has no biblical prophecy to it. god didnt gather isreal back to be a secular humanist nation with freedom of religion for all who live there.Nor would he allow gays their to marry or abortion.

Hi, I believe that He does allow this & takes the blame for such 'misunderstood' stuff as to why He does. Most see things wrong perhaps, but that does not mean that prophecy has it wrong. God 'allows'.. is the proper term seen by me, perhaps? (am 'i' spinning my wheels?;))

OK: Will ltry again. I think that the land is where the the Great/Whore antichrist will be accepted from. (set up) Also that most folks are already accepting this top man. And the bible says that ALL OF THE WORLD will wonder after the beast/government.

About the only thing left is this, along with Matt. 24:21 on with 'mighty miracles' that God will allow to be done by satan.

--Elijajh
 
matthew 24 can only be in ad 70 as if you take it for the future show me where it says that when HE comes back isreal is saved in that verse and its sister chapter? it doesnt.

matthew 25 does mention the judgment for the gentiles and the whole earth as Jesus mentions the flood and his days like the days before the flood.
 
matthew 24 can only be in ad 70 as if you take it for the future show me where it says that when HE comes back isreal is saved in that verse and its sister chapter? it doesnt.

matthew 25 does mention the judgment for the gentiles and the whole earth as Jesus mentions the flood and his days like the days before the flood.

Would it matter to you, Jason, if you knew that someone had tampered with the meaning of Paul's words in Acts 24:15 and 2Timothy 4:1? I had posted this elsewhere, but think everyone should look carefully at what translators from King James to the present have done with the Greek in these two instances:

The Greek word "mello" (means "being about to"), is translated in a number of New Testament verses to mean imminence; something about to happen:


  • But Jesus answered, "You do not know what you are asking. Are you able to drink the cup that I am about to drink?" They *said to Him, "We are able." Matthew 20:22 (NASB)
  • And a centurion's slave, who was highly regarded by him, was sick and about to die. Luke 7:2 (NASB)
  • And behold, two men were talking with Him; and they were Moses and Elijah, who, appearing in glory, were speaking of His departure which He was about to accomplish at Jerusalem. Luke 9:30-31 (NASB)
  • So he ran on ahead and climbed up into a sycamore tree in order to see Him, for He was about to pass through that way. Luke 19:4 (NASB)
  • So Pilate said to them, "Take Him yourselves, and judge Him according to your law." The Jews said to him, "We are not permitted to put anyone to death," to fulfill the word of Jesus which He spoke, signifying by what kind of death He was about to die. John 18:31-32 (NASB)
  • When he saw Peter and John about to go into the temple, he began asking to receive alms. Acts 3:3 (NASB)
  • On the very night when Herod was about to bring him forward, Peter was sleeping between two soldiers, bound with two chains, and guards in front of the door were watching over the prison. Acts 12:6 (NASB)
  • But when Paul was about to open his mouth, Gallio said to the Jews, "If it were a matter of wrong or of vicious crime, O Jews, it would be reasonable for me to put up with you; Acts 18:14 (NASB)
  • And there he spent three months, and when a plot was formed against him by the Jews as he was about to set sail for Syria, he decided to return through Macedonia. Acts 20:3 (NASB)
There are many, many more examples of this word's usage, but here's the point I want to make about the false teaching of Futurism and why it's so difficult to overcome even with the truth. Look at the following two verses from the following translations, where this word "mello" is also used, and notice how the translators did not apply the interpretation of it consistently. Notice also how their inconsistent translation of this word changes the meaning of the verse significantly:

having a hope in God, which these men cherish themselves, that there shall certainly be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked. Acts 24:15 (NASB)

And I have a hope in God, which these men themselves also accept, that there is going to be a resurrection, both of the righteous and the unrighteous. Acts 24:15 (HCSB)

And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust. Acts 24:15 (KJV)

I have hope in God, which they themselves also accept, that there will be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and the unjust. Acts 24:15 (NKJV)

having hope toward God, which these also themselves look for, that there shall be a resurrection both of the just and unjust. Acts 24:15 (ASV)

Now, look at the same verse again from Young's Literal Translation:

having hope toward God, which they themselves also wait for, that there is about to be a rising again of the dead, both of righteous and unrighteous; Acts 24:15 (YLT)

Translators from King James to the present have purposely mistranslated this word "mello" to mean something other than what it means in every other instance of the word in the New Testament!

These translators have also mistranslated "mello" here!

I charge thee in the sight of God, and of Christ Jesus, who shall judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom: 2 Timothy 4:1 (ASV)

I solemnly charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by His appearing and His kingdom: 2 Timothy 4:1 (NASB)

I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; 2 Timothy 4:1 (KJV)

I solemnly charge you before God and Christ Jesus, who is going to judge the living and the dead, and because of His appearing and His kingdom: 2 Timothy 4:1 (HCSB)

Now, look at this same verse from Young's Literal!

I do fully testify, then, before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who is about to judge living and dead at his manifestation and his reign-- 2 Timothy 4:1 (YLT)

Again, look at the way translators translated the word "mello" in the first series of verses I provided (from the gospels and Acts), then look at the way they translated this word in Acts 24:15 and 2Timothy 4:1!!! THEIR MISTRANSLATION CHANGES THE WHOLE MEANING OF THESE VERSES!!!

Only Young's Literal is consistent with his translation of the word "mello" in every case where it is used!

This is clearly a case where a mistranslation of a single word changes the entire meaning of a verse and, for that reason, allows error to persist in the understanding of what the apostles were trying to convey!

Jesus taught His disciples in Matthew 24 and 25 that He would return during that generation, and that with His return there would be a resurrection and judgment. Paul uses this same idea to defend himself before Felix and to teach Timothy about the imminence of Christ's return, and the translators changed what Paul wrote!!!

This confirms my suspicion that there is more than a fair amount of heresy and deceit that has crept into the church over this issue, and this heresy and deceit comes from those who want to place Christ's return at some point in the future, completely ignoring Christ's words and changing Paul's to suit their own ends!
 
the founders of the reformation didnt totally agree with you on that. they say as i do he came in ad 70 and will come again. i have a link to matthew henry and adam clarke. both nearly say the same thing on matthew 24.
 
the founders of the reformation didnt totally agree with you on that.

It doesn't matter what the founders of the Reformation thought about it. What matters is what Christ said, what the apostles believed as the result of His words, and what they communicated to the first century church in the letters they wrote.

As I have shown, translators from King James to the present have translated Paul's words to make them fit their doctrine. They haven't even been consistent in their translation of certain Greek words! I raised this issue with another Greek word awhile ago, and was practically laughed out of town:

When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison... Revelation 20:7 (NASB)

But when the Greek word "hotan" is translated literally, it conveys a whole different meaning to the text!

And whenever are ended the thousand years will be released Satan out of the prison of him

The first use conveys the sense that the thousand years is a definite 1,000 year period of time. The second use conveys the sense that the thousand years is an indefinite period of time.

It's the difference between saying "dinner will be served when an hour passes" versus "dinner will be served whenever the hour passes." If you look at a clock and it reads 5:55 PM, the first sense conveys dinner will be served at 6:55 PM. The second sense could mean that dinner will be served at 6:01 PM.

The point is this: can we really trust what the translators have done since the Reformation with the Greek language in our New Testaments?
 
sorry i dont agree with the idea that our ressurection is totally spiritual for it is then why does the bible mean by the lamb and the lion and boy?

when was death the final enemy dealt with?

paul said that when he returns that death would be finalised. that is the finaly enemy.
 
Hi, I believe that He does allow this & takes the blame for such 'misunderstood' stuff as to why He does. Most see things wrong perhaps, but that does not mean that prophecy has it wrong. God 'allows'.. is the proper term seen by me, perhaps? (am 'i' spinning my wheels?;))

OK: Will ltry again. I think that the land is where the the Great/Whore antichrist will be accepted from. (set up) Also that most folks are already accepting this top man. And the bible says that ALL OF THE WORLD will wonder after the beast/government.

About the only thing left is this, along with Matt. 24:21 on with 'mighty miracles' that God will allow to be done by satan.

--Elijajh

Hi Jason, me again.
Surely mankind can be no more accountable for anything than what he has been given of God in terms of knowledge. In what is Truth & in what Rom. 8:14's Holy Spirit has lead him to obey. James 4:17
[17] Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

And surely we can agree that the worlds religeon is in knowlegeable shambles with no one knowing very much?

OK: Here is my thought. Most of earth profess some sort of Christianity. And some of these are & some are not Christians.

SO: Now what does God do to close this mess up & get it completely FINISHED? How about the world agreeing to forced legal worship with only what they mostly agree on in the first place? The FIRST THING BEING 'ONLY BELIEVE' & then choose a world church leader. And force by law its membership at the threat of death.

And this execution will sort out who can be saved & who will not be. This surely will quickly sort out who has any real faith, huh?:thumbsup
--Elijah
 
at present i dont buy a one world order with the ac. satans goal has always been one world domination with him in charge.
 
at present i dont buy a one world order with the ac. satans goal has always been one world domination with him in charge.

I think that he (satan) has set us'ins up! He is a spirit that get inside of people. And do you not think that he is in charge of people + his one personal man of today??
 
when was death the final enemy dealt with?
At the cross, Jason.

and which now has been manifested through the appearing of our Savior Christ Jesus, who abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel, 2 Timothy 1:10 (ESV)

Now, again, we see another case where the heresy of Futurism has crept into the work of the Protestant translators. Here's how 1Corinthians 15:26 reads in several translations:


  • The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 1 Corinthians 15:26 (ESV)
  • The last enemy that will be abolished is death. 1 Corinthians 15:26 (NASB)
  • The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 1 Corinthians 15:26 (KJV)
  • The last enemy that will be destroyed is death. 1 Corinthians 15:26 (NKJV)

But how is this verse translated in good old Young's Literal Translation???

the last enemy is done away--death; 1 Corinthians 15:26 (YLT)

So which of these translations is consistent with what Paul wrote in 2Timothy 1:10, which (again) reads...

...our Savior Christ Jesus, who abolished death...2 Timothy 1:10 (NASB)

This?

The last enemy that will be abolished is death. 1 Corinthians 15:26 (NASB)

Or this?

the last enemy is done away--death; 1 Corinthians 15:26 (YLT)

See the problem? Because of the way translators other than Young have translated these verses, Paul is made to look as though he contradicts himself. He doesn't. In Paul's view, death had already been abolished in 1Corinthians 15 as much as it had been in 2Timothy 1:10, and in both cases Christ is He who abolished it.

See my signature? Follow that link, get that free software (it's the free version of Word Search, the professional software I use) and get Young's Literal Translation. It will open your eyes to the bias that translators from King James to the present have used when translating these passages.
 
then why hasnt the church been preterist since the time of the ecf's if it so obvious?

restoration to something man once had and what was that? live immortal with God. your plan must dictate that we are spirits first and from heaven. which we arent we are from the earth with a spirit in this earthly body.

if the cross was the key then why did paul say that? he wouldnt have to seen the finaly enemy of death would be dealt with? it would be done already. the cross is where it starts but not where it finished.jesus has to finally end death and that occurs when he comes back to finish what he started.

paul also said that if christ is raised with a body, so shall we be raised with a body. christ came back not as a spirit but as god in the flesh after his death.
 
sir i use a kjv and when i need to get some commentary i go to either adam clarke or matthew henry and when were these guys alive? before america was even a nation.

they are hardly futurist in nature.
 
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