Who is Jesus?

[jocor]

May I ask where you got your degrees in biblical Greek, Aramaic, and Hebrew?

You might want to edit your post. Your question is part of my quote.

One does not need a degree in a Biblical language to make the simple statements I made. Such info can easily be found in lexicons and Greek, Hebrew and/or Aramaic texts.
Also, one does not need a degree from some seminary to expound Biblical truth.

 

[4Pillars]

You might want to edit your post. Your question is part of my quote.

One does not need a degree in a Biblical language to make the simple statements I made. Such info can easily be found in lexicons and Greek, Hebrew and/or Aramaic texts.
Also, one does not need a degree from some seminary to expound Biblical truth.

Nope... Just try to refute the issues I brought forth which I don't believe you can. Try again?

 

[Douglas Summers]

The word of the Father as in these last days God has spoken to us by His Son. The God who thundered the words "This is MY SON whom I love with Him I am well pleased " The Holy Spirit does speak what He hears and bears witness as in "those that listen to and learn from The Father go to the Son" The Spirit searches the deep thoughts of the mind of the Spirit and carries out that will.

Who do you say that I Am?
Peter replied , "you are the Christ the Son of the living God"

Jesus, before His incarnation, was God. He created all things (everything that exist) (John 1:1-4) He is the God of Abraham, isaac ,and Jacob.(ex. 3: 1-15) He delivered Israel out of the bondage of Egypt.(1 Cor. 10: 1-5) All the OT Hebrew names of God belong to Jesus.(Ex. 3:3-6) (John 8: 58-59).

In Christ
Douglas Summers

 

[jocor]

No one knows the name of the invisible Almighty God Father at this time ... until one overcometh the end.

You are simply repeating a lie from the adversary designed to keep Yahweh's people from calling upon His name.

Zec 13:9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, YHWH is my Elohim.​

As a servant of Yahweh, I proclaim "YHWH is my Elohim." What do you proclaim, "The LORD is my God"?

Rev. 3:12 HIM THAT OVERCOMETH will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: AND I WILL WRITE UPON HIM THE NAME OF MY GOD, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

This does not say that no one knows His name until it is written upon him after the resurrection. BTW, it DOES say that the Son has a God. If the Son is also "God", then there are two Gods (the Son's God & the Son).

Rev, 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; AND HE HAD A NAME WRITTEN, THAT NO MAN KNEW, BUT HIMSELF.

This does not say that no one knows the name of the Father. It says no one knows the new name of the Son just as no one will know the new name of overcomers (Rev 2:17).

Eph 3:14-15 For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named....

Conclusion: Yĕhovah is the Christ himself, the Son of the invisible God Almighty.

Explain how you arrived at that conclusion when Eph 3:14-15 says nothing about "Yehovah" being "Christ himself".

 

[jocor]

Nope... Just try to refute the issues I brought forth which I don't believe you can. Try again?

My post was to Rollo Tamasi, not you.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

My post was to Rollo Tamasi, not you.

That's a cop out.
Don't use me because you want to avoid someone else.

 

[jocor]

He is the God of Abraham, isaac ,and Jacob.(ex. 3: 1-15)

Acts 3:13 says the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob "glorified His Son." That means the Son was NOT the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

He delivered Israel out of the bondage of Egypt.(1 Cor. 10: 1-5)

Paul is speaking spiritually/figuratively, not literally.

 

[jocor]

That's a cop out.
Don't use me because you want to avoid someone else.

Do you guys even read my posts? You made an editing mistake in your post. I simply pointed it out to you to correct so your words would not look like my words.

 

[4Pillars]

Explain how you arrived at that conclusion when Eph 3:14-15 says nothing about "Yehovah" being "Christ himself".

The Son physically existed BEFORE the World was. He was brought forth into our physical world in the beginning... when God spoke the “Word” and said... "LET THERE BE LIGHT": and there was light. Gen. 1:3

He became the only God physically formed for us to see and witness. And got separated from the invisible realm of his Father.... who is a Holy Spirit.... without physical shape or form.... and changes Not.

The brightness of the glory of the Lord God, (YHWH, the Son) provided the light in the Beginning (Alpha) and as He will also provide the light in the End (Omega).... in the New Heaven and the New Earth.

Rev. 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

YHWH or Jesus is NOT an Angel but also God himself. He was AGAIN sent into this world and Made Flesh to save us from our sins.

Heb 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
v5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? AND AGAIN, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
v1:6 AND AGAIN, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

Why do we suppose the words "AND AGAIN" are used repeatedly or emphasized 2x in the texts? Let's continue reading, shall we...

v1:10 And,Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and "the heavens are the works of thine hands:

I see.. the Son was brought forth (begotten) into this world the 1st time when He provided the True Light in the Beginning (Gen 1:3).... and made the physical world for our inhabitation, thereof. Then, He was again sent into this world and made flesh to save us form our sins...

v1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

Conclusion: Yĕhovah is the Christ himself, the Son of the invisible God Almighty Father... whose name is not yet reveal to us at this time.

 

[jocor]

I see.. the Son was brought forth (begotten) into this world the 1st time when He provided the True Light in the Beginning (Gen 1:3).... and made the physical world for our inhabitation, thereof. Then, He was again sent into this world and made flesh to save us form our sins...

Thanks for this. You just confirmed that you are wrong. You said the Son was "brought forth (begotten) in Gen 1:3 when Elohim said, "Let there be light." Then you said he "made the physical world." The heavens and the earth and water were created before light was spoken into existence (Gen 1:1-2). Therefore, the Son did not create those things.
Also, if you are saying the Son was brought forth in Gen 1:3, then are you also saying the Son did not eternally exist as trinitarians believe?

 

[4Pillars]

Thanks for this. You just confirmed that you are wrong. You said the Son was "brought forth (begotten) in Gen 1:3 when Elohim said, "Let there be light." Then you said he "made the physical world." The heavens and the earth and water were created before light was spoken into existence (Gen 1:1-2). Therefore, the Son did not create those things.
Also, if you are saying the Son was brought forth in Gen 1:3, then are you also saying the Son did not eternally exist as trinitarians believe?

Your argument don't make sense.

How could the Son 'been brought forth (begotten) into this world IF the Son did not exist from the invisible realm of the Father in the beginning? I also mentioned that SPECIFICALLY in my 1st & 2nd statement of the subject post... Did you skip reading it, that is why you did not comprehend my post? Next time ask for help... if you don't understand.

And your disagreement is only based on your own religious views which is NOT supported by the Scripture.

Try again?

 

[4Pillars]

The Mystical Union of God....

A mystical union is one that God made, one of which is marriage. Since marriage is actually made under the jurisdiction of heaven... it’s God who actually joins the man and the woman in Mystical Union.

And this mystical union of marriage has a precedent,.... The Unity of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit as One God (Collective One, that is)

One in Unity is used in the case of Gen. 2:24, when the husband and wife are called One (echad) Flesh by God. The use of the Hebrew word "echad" (One) in the text... is only possible in the sense of Unity... as Collective One - A Mystical Union from Heaven.

We can also understand John 10:30 in this sense, “I and my Father are one.” One in Unity not in number. It is also in this sense that thousands can be One like the builders of the tower of Babel in Gen 11:6. Even the millions of Christians can be One in this sense according to John 17:21.

Another example:

“There are three (numeric) that bear records in heaven, the Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost: and these three (numeric) are One (Mystical Union). 1John 5:7

Therefore, the Triune of God is One in Unity... not in Numeric Number..... A Mystical Union Of God, indeed.

 

[reba]

whoa guys the bitterness here is too much... this will cool off a while while being moderated