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it seems in many scripture interpretations these considerations are overlooked and not taken into consideration - the result being as we have it now division, divergence , confusion etc ad absurdum and ad infinitum
who = who actually is being addressed = who does this apply to
then = did this, does it only apply then and not now or also now
now = has this been updated and authorised
twinc
 
twinc said:
it seems in many scripture interpretations these considerations are overlooked and not taken into consideration - the result being as we have it now division, divergence , confusion etc ad absurdum and ad infinitum
who = who actually is being addressed = who does this apply to
then = did this, does it only apply then and not now or also now
now = has this been updated and authorised
twinc
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I don't think I can answer you well, but God's word in alive always, whether we understand it or not.
 
twinc,
Words loosely strung together mean nothing comprehensible. You should begin a conversation on a scripture with, no less than how you apply it to your life. Anything else is useless prattle.
 
I don't believe twinc understands who or what is being talked about in Isaiah 40:21. twinc, are you asking for help in understanding this scripture?
 
twinc said:
it seems in many scripture interpretations these considerations are overlooked and not taken into consideration - the result being as we have it now division, divergence , confusion etc ad absurdum and ad infinitum
who = who actually is being addressed = who does this apply to
then = did this, does it only apply then and not now or also now
now = has this been updated and authorised
twinc
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I just realized something here TwinC.

What do you mean by NOW? The information in the bible cannot be updated or authorized.
God's work is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. Nothing changes.

You're right about the Who and the Then.

Maybe you mean, Who, What, Where, When and How and I like to add Why.
That would be a real bible study.
 
wondering said:
I just realized something here TwinC.

What do you mean by NOW? The information in the bible cannot be updated or authorized.
God's work is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. Nothing changes.

You're right about the Who and the Then.

Maybe you mean, Who, What, Where, When and How and I like to add Why.
That would be a real bible study.
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you are both right and wrong imho - the bible cannot be updated or authorized for Protestants but it has been but it can for Catholics and has been e.g. the answer for .how shall I be saved is not go sell what thou has and give to the poor - btw you have it exactly right what I meant and advised by and for a real bible study - twinc
 
civilwarbuff said:
I don't believe twinc understands who or what is being talked about in Isaiah 40:21. twinc, are you asking for help in understanding this scripture?
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I am asking for help in trying to make you and others understand what is being talked about in Isaiah 40:21 - twinc
 
th1b.taylor said:
twinc,
Words loosely strung together mean nothing comprehensible. You should begin a conversation on a scripture with, no less than how you apply it to your life. Anything else is useless prattle.
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I agree useless prattle is useless prattle - twinc
 
twinc said:
you are both right and wrong imho - the bible cannot be updated or authorized for Protestants but it has been but it can for Catholics and has been e.g. the answer for .how shall I be saved is not go sell what thou has and give to the poor - btw you have it exactly right what I meant and advised by and for a real bible study - twinc
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Seems like the opposite...

Protestants have changed doctrine constantly, thus all the different churches.
Catholics have said to receive new revelation but based on old revelation, however their doctrine has changed little in the last 2,000 years. It seems to be changing now with Vatican Council II and this Pope.
Much to Protestants surprise, the Catholic church also teaches that salvation is through the knowledge and acceptance of Christ, Ephesians 2:8

But then they have an old-fashioned way of explaining works and thus the confusion. Works come AFTER salvation. They call it Progressive Justification...we call it Sanctification.

A rose is a rose --- no matter what you call it.

I must say that even within the Catholic church there is much division. Do you know about this?
Do you care?

P.S. I went to a nice bible study of theirs that focused on Galatians 2:16.
Some of their bible studies are very nice...depends on WHO is doing them. I don't attend all.
 
twinc said:
how shall I be saved is not go sell what thou has and give to the poor
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You can't be justified by keeping the command to give to the poor (Deuteronomy 15:7-11 NASB). But doing that will indeed 'save' you at the resurrection because it will be the evidence by which Jesus judges a person worthy to enter the kingdom (Matthew 25:34-36 NASB), their obedience being the evidence of their justification in Christ.

Jesus is subtly (or not so subtly) showing the rich young ruler in Luke 18:18-24 NASB that he does NOT keep all the commandments. In the end, the person who does not keep (all) the commandments shows that he does not abide in Christ (1 John 3:24 NASB), and, therefore, will not be saved on the Day of Judgment.
 
twinc said:
I am asking for help in trying to make you and others understand what is being talked about in Isaiah 40:21 - twinc
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Isaiah is thought of as the greatest of the writing prophets.
His name means: The Lord Saves.
He was a contemporary of Amos, Hosea and Micah.
He began his ministry in 740 BC (the year King Uzziah died).
He was married and had two sons.
He died in 680 BC (under the reign of Manasseh)
He most likely spent all his life in Jerusalem (Judah).
His greatest influence was under King Hezekiah.

Isaiah lived during the period of Assyrian expansion and the decline of Israel.
In about 733, the King of Israel tried to pressure the King of Judah into joining into a coalition against Assyria.
The King of Judah (Ahaz) chose instead to seek help from the King of Assyria (Tiglath-Pileser). This decision was condemned by Isaiah.

Assyria did assist Judah and conquered the Northern Kingdom, Israel in 720 BC.
But in 701 BC the new King of Assyria, King Sennacherib, threatened Jerusalem itself.

King Hezekiah prayed earnestly to God and Isaiah predicted that God would force the Assyrians to withdraw from the city of Jerusalem. Isaiah warned Judah that her sin would bring captivity at the hands of the Babylonians. This took place in 586 BC, after Isaiah was already dead.

Isaiah is a book that unveils the full dimension of God's acts of judgement and salvation on behalf of His people, Israel.

Chapters 40 and 48:13 tell of Israel's Mighty Creator - God.
It speaks of the deliverance and restoration of Israel, the coming of the victorious God and unwavering strength for the weary exiles.

(taken from Zondervan NIV Study Bible 2008)
 
wondering said:
Seems like the opposite...

Protestants have changed doctrine constantly, thus all the different churches.
Catholics have said to receive new revelation but based on old revelation, however their doctrine has changed little in the last 2,000 years. It seems to be changing now with Vatican Council II and this Pope.
Much to Protestants surprise, the Catholic church also teaches that salvation is through the knowledge and acceptance of Christ, Ephesians 2:8

But then they have an old-fashioned way of explaining works and thus the confusion. Works come AFTER salvation. They call it Progressive Justification...we call it Sanctification.

A rose is a rose --- no matter what you call it.

I must say that even within the Catholic church there is much division. Do you know about this?
Do you care?

P.S. I went to a nice bible study of theirs that focused on Galatians 2:16.
Some of their bible studies are very nice...depends on WHO is doing them. I don't attend all.
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you said Bible - there was no mention of doctrine - imho Vatican II is a nightmare and where the smoke of satan attempted to enter and take over the Church - the Church has not, cannot and will not fail or err - this is guaranteed but our Popes and Bishops have said and are saying some silly things - here in England we have a major problem, that has not even been realised or accepted as a problem - it is called 'The Gift of Scripture' by our Bishops as partially inerrant as against totally inerrant as the Church has taught and teaches - Galatians mentions another gospel but most do not realise another gospel has already been accepted and preached - it is known as the prosperity gospel widely practiced where converts are drawn merely come for the loaves and fishes - an anathema by Vatican I was, has been and is ignored and this has caused and is still causing mayhem in the Church - twinc
 
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