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Matthew 1:1 "This is the genealogy of Jesus the Messiah the son of David, the son of Abraham:"

"Then Jesus said to them, “Why is it said that the Messiah is the son of David? David calls him ‘Lord.’ How then can he be his son?”

Im a scripture nit picker. Lol. I find lots of little things I question. But I like truth so i have to question things.
 
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kiwidan said:
Can you answer Jesus question?. If David calls the Messiah 'Lord' how then can the Messiah be his Son?.
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Jesus Christ is fully God and fully man. The man Christ has the royal blood of David flowing in His veins. As Son of God, He is David's Lord.
 
Yes. But I have hindsight. They did not. Nor did they understand. They were trying to trick Him and He let them know their not that smart. Lol

Matthew 1:16
and Jacob the father of Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom Jesus was born, who is called Christ.

Joseph did not procreate Jesus. But, because Jesus was His earthly son, then He could be called "son of David".
 
Nathan said:
Yes. But I have hindsight. They did not. Nor did they understand. They were trying to trick Him and He let them know their not that smart. Lol

Matthew 1:16
and Jacob the father of Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom Jesus was born, who is called Christ.

Joseph did not procreate Jesus. But, because Jesus was His earthly son, then He could be called "son of David".
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Not to mention the blood line of Christ through Mary is in the Gospel of Luke.

https://carm.org/why-are-there-different-genealogies-jesus-matthew-1-and-luke-3
 
Pegasus said:
Jesus Christ is fully God and fully man. The man Christ has the royal blood of David flowing in His veins. As Son of God, He is David's Lord.
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So the fully Man of Jesus should not be worshiped as God as I have tried to explain before, yet people still like worshipping the image of Man, as Paul said they gave up the glory of the invisable God to worship images made to look like man. If he had King blood line even David was not worshiped as God.

And as scripture says Christ is the Spirit of God. So the fully God of Christ is the Spirit of the invisable God. There is One God and he is Spirit, God is not an image of Man.
 
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kiwidan said:
So the fully Man of Jesus should not be worshiped as God as I have tried to explain before, yet people still like worshipping the image of Man, as Paul said they gave up the glory of the invisable God to worship images made to look like man. If he had King blood line even David was not worshiped as God.
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Well, you cannot separate the two. If David worshiped the Messiah I think it's a safe bet we can too.
 
kiwidan said:
So the fully Man of Jesus should not be worshiped as God as I have tried to explain before, yet people still like worshipping the image of Man, as Paul said they gave up the glory of the invisable God to worship images made to look like man. If he had King blood line even David was not worshiped as God.

And as scripture says Christ is the Spirit of God. So the fully God of Christ is the Spirit of the invisable God. There is One God and he is Spirit, God is not an image of Man.
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No there is only One Person Jesus Christ.

What you describe is Nestorianism.
 
Pegasus said:
Not to mention the blood line of Christ through Mary is in the Gospel of Luke.

https://carm.org/why-are-there-different-genealogies-jesus-matthew-1-and-luke-3
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I've heard this is debatable? I have not studied that hard into it honestly. I take the position that Jesus was declared the son of David because His legal(earthly) father was Joseph.

I think that's why Jesus asked the question. He had been accused of being an illegitimate son. I think He was using that to confound them.

John 8:41
 
Nathan said:
I've heard this is debatable? I have not studied that hard into it honestly. I take the position that Jesus was declared the son of David because His legal(earthly) father was Joseph.

I think that's why Jesus asked the question. He had been accused of being an illegitimate son. I think He was using that to confound them.

John 8:41
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The link I posted provides a suitable presentation of the various views.
 
Pegasus said:
No there is only One Person Jesus Christ.

What you describe is Nestorianism.
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So God is an invisable Spirit and no idols or images are to be worshiped, but a man can be worshiped as God, but only Jesus because he is both man and God?. A Man God. So you don't worship just God, you worship Man+God?. The image of Man and the invisable image of God?.

Looks like Jesus and Jehova are conflicting. If Jehova is a invisable Spirit, as he talked through prophets, then he can never be visable as he is Spirit, but can walk in Christ, just like satan entered Judas and walked in Judas, and you wouldn't exactly call Judas the man satan but the spirit within him was satan.

Jesus was conceived by the Spirit of God, at his baptism the Spirit of God rested on him, scripture says Christ is the Spirit of God.

If people worship fully man and fully God why did people recieve the Holy Spirit, that is a Spirit, did people not worship God in Spirit, and people worship Jesus in Spirit as they cannot see him because he is the Spirit of God sitting at the right hand of God and not a man?.

Christ left in Spirit and returns in Spirit.

2 Corinthians 3:17

Its reading scripture in the earthly view, looking at Christ as God sitting on a throne on this earth. Christ said his Kingdom is not of this world and the Kingdom comes without observation and is within you.
 
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kiwidan said:
So God is an invisable Spirit and no idols or images are to be worshiped, but a man can be worshiped as God, but only Jesus because he is both man and God?. A Man God. So you don't worship just God, you worship Man+God?. The image of Man and the invisable image of God?.

Looks like Jesus and Jehova are conflicting. If Jehova is a invisable Spirit, as he talked through prophets, then he can never be visable as he is Spirit, but can walk in Christ, just like satan entered Judas and walked in Judas, and you wouldn't exactly call Judas the man satan but the spirit within him was satan.

Jesus was conceived by the Spirit of God, at his baptism the Spirit of God rested on him, scripture says Christ is the Spirit of God.

If people worship fully man and fully God why did people recieve the Holy Spirit, that is a Spirit, did people not worship God in Spirit, and people worship Jesus in Spirit as they cannot see him because he is the Spirit of God sitting at the right hand of God and not a man?.

Christ left in Spirit and returns in Spirit.
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The correct answer is Jesus Christ the Son of God Who is the Logos is worshipped. The One Person Jesus Christ.

What you describe of The Father inhabiting the man Jesus is a form of Modelism.

As truly God the Son of God is YHWH.

Christ left in Spirit and returns in Spirit.
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Jesus Christ rose from the dead bodily and ascended into heaven bodily. The tomb was empty.

If it is your view Jesus Christ was a phantom of a man on earth during His ministry that would be a form of Gnosticism.
 
Pegasus said:
The correct answer is Jesus Christ the Son of God Who is the Logos is worshipped. The One Person Jesus Christ.

What you describe of The Father inhabiting the man Jesus is a form of Modelism.

As truly God the Son of God is YHWH.



Jesus Christ rose from the dead bodily and ascended into heaven bodily. The tomb was empty.

If it is your view Jesus Christ was a phantom of a man on earth during His ministry that would be a form of Gnosticism.
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I change my view saying he left in Spirit and returns in Spirit. I believe I am wrong there.
 
Jesus was conceived by God in Mary's womb. Not at baptism.

You do believe that Mary was a virgin right?
 
kiwidan said:
I change my view saying he left in Spirit and returns in Spirit. I believe I am wrong there.
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I take it you are trying to reconcile the Person of Christ with what some do with graven idols. I don't see the connection.

Best explanation I've seen is from the apostle Paul in Colossians 2.

Colossians 2: NASB

See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ. For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form, and in Him you have been made complete, and He is the head over all rule and authority; and in Him you were also circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, in the removal of the body of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ; having been buried with Him in baptism, in which you were also raised up with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead.

Colossians 2:8‭-‬12 NASB
http://bible.com/100/col.2.8-12.NASB

Notice the bolded above and the use of Deity. Not mere enlightened or divine but the Deity dwells bodily in Christ.

Interesting tidbit on the use of Deity and in other versions the use of Godhead. Nowhere else in the NT is the Greek word theotes (deity) used. This is the verse JWs avoid like the plague.

You can look it up using an interlinear Bible version too:

http://biblehub.com/interlinear/colossians/2.htm

http://biblehub.com/greek/2320.htm
 
kiwidan said:
Yes, but i think Christ was conceived by the Spirit of God only and Mary just carried. She was not his real Mother but adoptive Mother like Joseph was his Dad.
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Do you think He grew inside her? Like placenta and all being connected to her uterus?
 
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