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Truthfrees

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Hello,

This is my first day here.

I was reading your Beliefs and was wondering why sentence #5 says you believe in a personal devil?

Personal Savior makes sense regarding Jesus, but why personal devil?

Wouldn't real devil be a better way to word your beliefs?

God Bless you. TF
 
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Hello,

This is my first day here.

I was reading your Beliefs and was wondering why sentence #5 says you believe in a personal devil?

Personal Savior makes sense regarding Jesus, but why personal devil?

Wouldn't real devil be a better way to word your beliefs?

God Bless you. TF
I honestly do not know who wrote the "Beliefs" section, but I think I may be able to help you.

I am pretty sure that it was written that way in order to distinguish between an "idea" of a devil, and a "reality" of a devil.

There are some religions/faith's that believe in the "idea" of a devil, but that he is not a "real" thing/person/spirit.

If I am completely off base, then I am sure someone will correct my interpretation of the statement.
 

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I honestly do not know who wrote the "Beliefs" section, but I think I may be able to help you.

I am pretty sure that it was written that way in order to distinguish between an "idea" of a devil, and a "reality" of a devil.

There are some religions/faith's that believe in the "idea" of a devil, but that he is not a "real" thing/person/spirit.

If I am completely off base, then I am sure someone will correct my interpretation of the statement.
that's what i was thought it was about.

we believe in an actual being called the devil might be a better way to word it though.

the way it is worded now, it sounds like we are personally acquainted/in association with the devil.

i don't want to be personally acquainted/associated with the devil.

just a suggestion.

God Bless you!
 

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I'm not sure who specifically worded the Statement of Faith, but I suppose I agree that a "real" devil would probably read better than a "personal" devil. Someone may chime in who makes more sense of that wording. It may infer that Satan is personally involved in tempting, but I've always shied away from that premise, because it seems to make him omnipresent like God. He doesn't have the nature to be actively involved all of our lives. I don't even think he knows I exist, but I'm sure some of his demons do.
 
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dirtfarmer here

Satan, the devil, or what ever else he is called in scripture is not omnipresent. He can't be every where at the same time. There is only one of him but he does have his emissaries that help him in his work of evil. It is my understanding from scripture that he is constantly accusing the believers to God. If he is personally attacking you, then you must be a very "holy" person.
 
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I'm not sure who specifically worded the Statement of Faith, but I suppose I agree that a "real" devil would probably read better than a "personal" devil. Someone may chime in who makes more sense of that wording. It may infer that Satan is personally involved in tempting, but I've always shied away from that premise, because it seems to make him omnipresent like God. He doesn't have the nature to be actively involved all of our lives. I don't even think he knows I exist, but I'm sure some of his demons do.
He also doesnt know what youre thinking.
 
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dirtfarmer here

Satan, the devil, or what ever else he is called in scripture is not omnipresent. He can't be every where at the same time. There is only one of him but he does have his emissaries that help him in his work of evil. It is my understanding from scripture that he is constantly accusing the believers to God. If he is personally attacking you, then you must be a very "holy" person.
Do you know who Padre Pio is?
I read his story when I was in my teens and it really scared me.
He was truly attacked by satan.
 
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He also doesnt know what youre thinking.
No, but he (they) can hear what you speak. Prolly one of his flunky demons or whoever that could be listening if he's close enough to hear. Most (all?) would flee from a spirit filled Christian, but if the Christian was not spirit filled, I think that there's ways that we could inadvertently invite them in? I'm not sure exactly how, maybe play'n with a Ouija board or something?
 

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It's a manner of speaking that refers to Satan as someone we go to in order to sin.

I, personally, have never met Satan...and really don't need to. I don't need anyone to show me how to get to sin because I know the shortcuts.

I, in short, am my own worst enemy. And the manner with which this is worded reflects this notion as well.
 
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Do you know who Padre Pio is?
I read his story when I was in my teens and it really scared me.
He was truly attacked by satan.
hello wondering, dirtfarmer here

I have read some about him. He was what some call a "Stigmatist". It is or was reported that he could(biolocate) be in 2 separate places at the same time. It is reported that at his Requiem Mass that around 100,000 attended.
 

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another question:

what is the age limit here.

i know of a 14 year old that needs Christian fellowship/advice/help.

can he sign up here?
 

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i found this:
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so can a 14 year old sign up, or does he need a parent's permission first?
 
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i found this:
1.9: Participants must be at least 13 years old to participate. Users who are found to be under the age of 13 will have their account disabled until they meet this criteria. ChristianForums.net does not maintain permission records from parents.

It is our desire to provide a safe community that reflects Christian values and yet remains sensitive to all users. It is also understood that participating in the forums is done at one's own risk. Due to the size of the ChristianForums.net we do not commit to providing 24-hour community monitoring for every area. Nor do we commit to verifying identities of community participants. In addition, we are not responsible for the safety of children in the christianforums.net community. However, we do aim to have at least one staff member online most of the day.

so can a 14 year old sign up, or does he need a parent's permission first?
He is welcome here. :)
 
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Hello,

This is my first day here.

I was reading your Beliefs and was wondering why sentence #5 says you believe in a personal devil?

Personal Savior makes sense regarding Jesus, but why personal devil?

Wouldn't real devil be a better way to word your beliefs?

God Bless you. TF
 
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sometimes good people do bad things but that does not make them a bad/evil person. We are all sinners and fall short of perfect.
If we ask God/Jesus will forgive us. True evil has no remorse.
 
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sometimes good people do bad things but that does not make them a bad/evil person. We are all sinners and fall short of perfect.
If we ask God/Jesus will forgive us. True evil has no remorse.
hello Kenny g, dirtfarmer here

I understand what you are saying and the statements that you have made. I like "True evil has no remorse". That is so true. Also it is true that good people do bad things and that does not make them bad.
There are a few questions that I would like for you to ponder.
1. If Jesus Christ paid the sin debt of the whole world, then what is it that brings condemnation? Is it not unbelief?
2. If God has already forgiven sin, then the believer has no sin to be forgiven, only fellowship to be restored when we are overtaken by faults.
3. Is there any verse that states that the believer is still a sinner? In my studies I find that we were sinners, past tense, but now, present tense, we are saints and heirs of God.
4.Why would we ask God to do something that he has already completely accomplished?