Why do you believe?

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  1. OzSpen

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    FHG,

    What is Job’s response to this God?

    See: Job 23:15-17 (NIRV):
    15 That’s why I’m so terrified.
    When I think about all of this, I’m afraid of him.
    16 God has made my heart weak.
    The Mighty One has filled me with terror.
    17 But even the darkness of death won’t make me silent.
    When the darkness of the grave covers my face, I won’t be quiet.​

    Note Job's response to this God:
    • “I am terrified”;
    • “I'm afraid of him [God]”;
    • 'God has made my heart weak';
    • 'The Mighty One has filled me with terror'.
    This hardly sounds like respect for God. It is the terror of the Lord because of all that God is in his demonstration of his attributes. See:
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  2. K2CHRIST

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    I love the post - It was not what brought me to the Lord but clearly we see in the Bible that God uses a fear of going to hell for bringing people to Him. It is indeed a great reason to turn and seek the Lord. Of course after finding Him we find there are so many many great reasons to listen and talk to Him.
     
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    What I mean by respect where it says fear is in reverence of God like that in Hebrews 12:28, 29. Proverbs 1:7 says the fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge. Fear to the Christian just means having reverence or respect for God who is greater than us. We are not to be afraid of God as fearing Him in that sense, but to love and humble ourselves before Him.
     
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    I love your post Garion, it reminds me in a lot of ways. I always think I should fear Him more but my relationship with Him seems to more out of respect and liking His advice. And there indeed are "life experiences" that cause me to dislike Him, even though I know it really is not a correct response. Still, it is an honest response, and He knows how I feel, and I think He understands.

    Still, I believe because I hear Him talking to me. I think the verse about faith coming from hearing has it right. The rest is more about my relationship with Him and why I turn to Him. The faith that He was there came from hearing from Him.
     
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    Garion, down in the corner of the box we type in there is a reply button you can click on as this allows others to know who you are replying to. :)
     
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    The joy of the Lord is in getting to know Him.
     
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    These were only what Job was feeling at the time as he says
    Job 23:15 Therefore am I troubled at his presence: when I consider, I am afraid of him. 16 For God maketh my heart soft, and the Almighty troubleth me: 17 Because I was not cut off before the darkness, neither hath he covered the darkness from my face.
     
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    AMEN!!

    I wish I could get everyone to really understand that! :clap
     
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    I digress, I should have stated from the beginning that I don't put absolute faith in Scripture but in God.

    I know what I know about God because of what my mother taught me and she knows because of what her mother taught her which is as it should be.

    There are so many "scholars" of Scripture that miss the point I guess because they lost focus.

    They focus more on the learning and not the lesson.
     
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    Are you Spiritually born again according to what Jesus said?
     
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    I really don't think that that should be the point though. The fear of going to Hell should not be the reason for turning to God. Especially if that's your only reason. Again, that's just only my opinion.
     
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    I believed in what Jesus said because my mother told me that His advice is just.

    I am honestly not trying to be insulting or belittle your beliefs but I don't see any reason to be born again when I believed from the beginning because I trust my mother.

    I was temporarily side tracked from Gods advice but it was a conscious willful spiteful act... I knew that how I was living was wrong.
     
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    I already answered this question once, but, i thought id do it again...

    I believe, because when i consider Jesus, and what He did for me on the Cross and beyond, then how can i not want to have Him in my life?
    And also, because i need the kind of Love that Only God and Christ can give to me.
    For me to be happy, to be content, to be satisfied in life, I need love that does not betray, does not turn away, and does not go away.
    And in them, in God and Christ, i know that their love is constant, unconditional, and never ending.
    And i personally need that, all the time.
    I personally need to know that there is a God who is just like Jesus, and to know that He is, and to know that they love me
    because they ARE LOVE, because Love exists only because THEY EXIST,...and want me to have their love,...and died to prove their love for me.....= is to me, a really good reason for me to believe.:)
     
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    My point is that you are still relying on someone interpreting the Scriptures. I agree that there are a lot of "Scholars" who get it wrong. However, if we follow this reasoning you shouldn't go to the doctor when you're sick because there are a lot of quacks out there. They get it wrong too.
     
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    To whom are you addressing your comment? I do wish you would learn to back quote ALL of the time so I know if you are addressing my post or not.

    Yes, I know Scripture can be twisted. Is this the pot calling the kettle black??
     
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    That ignores the biblical evidence I provided.
     
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    Exactly but they are in denial because they've swallowed the whole "saved" paradigm. It's too late to back out. All or nothing no buts or maybes. it shows their theology is too rigid.
     
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    So, how could their theology be changed from rigid to more acceptable by the populace and churches?
     
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    Because the more I believe the more is added to me, even with signs that follow those who believe confirming, that we love God and brother from within our Spirit as it happens in our new created self from Jesus with the supernatural wonderful fear of God ..
     
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    from a Catholics pov, sola scriptura is too rigid. we listen and access more than one source. Pope, Church fathers, Church hierarchy including catholic theologians. And there is the monastic tradition too which has an interesting monastic perspective. You want go broad, go catholic.
     
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