Why do you believe?

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  1. for_his_glory

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    It's not so much that we argue, even though there are those that do and should not, but that we discuss our indifference's as we might not always agree with each other, but yet we love and respect one another as none of us will ever know everything, but only that of what God reveals to us by His Holy Spirit.
     
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    I'm new here and
    Oh.... thanks.
     
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    Then you don't trust what is in the Bible. because they compiled it, wrote and decided what was in or out and Holy Spirit inspired.
     
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    Was it you that said you were a Universalist or maybe it was someone else.

    Our only source is not any Church, but needs to be that of the Holy Spirit that teaches us all that God wants revealed to us, John 14:26. Are all of us right all the time, no as we are still learning.

    1 John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
     
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    Actually I was asking skyhigh that question about work based salvation.

    I know you are new here and am glad you are here with us. It might help us to know some of the things your mother has taught you so we can get to know you better :)
     
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    No I trust what's in the Bible WITHIN REASON meaning the obvious good stuff like violence,incest,greed etc. are bad.

    I trust the obvious stuff because....well... it's obvious AND I can quantify it with my own research.

    I don't trust everything in it absolutely though, I will give a great example.

    Adam and Eve the tree of knowledge.

    The Bible says that Eve tasted from the God's Tree of Knowledge after He told her not to so He kicked them out.

    It doesn't say anything about what happened to that stolen knowledge that Eve acquired after she got kicked out.

    If you read between the lines? Eve still has that knowledge....God never took it back....the Bible don't say nothing bout that.
     
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    Sorry I thought that I quoted that for skyhigh.
     
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    That is a fair statement from you. Have you received Jesus by that of the Spiritual rebirth Jesus taught in John 3:5-7 and confess Jesus as written in Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

    If so, then you are His own as this is the basics of God's salvation. Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. Scripture can be confusing to us at times and this is why it is so important to have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit who teaches us if we are truly listening.
     
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    Thank you for enlightening me this is why I participate in sites like this.
     
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    The knowledge Eve had after eating of the tree of knowledge was that they were naked and sinned against God as they were not obedient to His command. The Bible has plenty to say about it if you read Genesis Chapter three. There is no in between the lines as it is very clear what knowledge Adam and Eve had on that day.
     
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    There aspects of the real world that you aren't aware of I think.
    But you will God said somewhere that we don't understand now but one day we will.
     
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    Reading the Bible from a sceptical, atheistic pov is bound to be disappointing.
    Your "reason" will be disappointed often because there are literary devices used which express a spiritual truth rather than actual fact. of course there are facts as well but it will be hard to know exactly which are which unless you get help from an educated theologian to understand it better.
     
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    Thank you HeisRisen2018

    Just curious, how can one be only partly? Does that mean you accept some of their teachings, but reject the full of who they are?
     
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    It basically means that I've come to know that Jesus died on the cross for my sins and because He did that a lot more people will be in Heaven than expected.
     
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    There are many things we do not understand yet, but we fully understand that of what Adam and Eve. They were disobedient to God and this is why the world is in such a sinful state today as through the generations many have walked away from God in disobedience as they have become lovers of self as they walk in their own will and not the will of God.

    2 Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

    Just think how beautiful this world would be if everyone turned back to God.
     
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    Sorry, but even educated theologians argue among themselves so why believe what they teach. Our teachings need to be from those who have the anointing of the Holy Spirit to teach us as all truths come by Gods Spirit and not mans doctrines. This is why it is so important to Spiritually discern what spirits are teaching us as one is error and the other is truth, 1 John 4:1-6.
     
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    Even Satan knows that Jesus died and God raised Him again. Does that mean Satan will be in heaven also, no. It's only through that of John 3:5-7; Romans 10:9, 10 and understanding that of Ephesians 2:8, 9 that we are saved and have eternal life with the Father.
     
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    Well obviously Satan won't be there, but you asked what I believed so let's leave it at that.
     
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    It is not only Scripture and determining its reliability. What about the Early Church Fathers (ECF)? What do we find?

    GNOSTICISM

    c. 140
    Valentinus begins teaching Gnostic views in Rome

    144 Marcion is excommunicated for Gnostic-like views

    c. 175 Basilides espouses Gnostic teachings in Alexandria

    c. 180 Irenaeus writes Against the Heresies, opposing Gnosticism

    c. 450 Gnostic sects diminish....

    QUARTODECIMANISM

    c. 155 Polycarp and others from Asia Minor advocate Nisan 14 as date of Easter

    c. 190 Pope Victor insists on Sunday observance and tries to stamp out Quartodecimanism (“14th-ism”), though Irenaeus advocates tolerance

    325 Council of Nicea accepts Alexandrian method of determining Easter

    400 Rome begins using Alexandrian method....

    MONTANISM

    c. 157 Montanus begins prophesying that the Heavenly Jerusalem will soon descend in Phrygia, in Asia Minor

    170s Montanism develops ecstatic and ascetic practices

    c. 190 Montanism condemned by church councils in Asia Minor

    c. 207 Tertullian converts to Montanism

    c. 400 Montanism wanes but survives in pockets....

    MONARCHIANISM

    c. 190s Monarchianism (emphasizing God’s monarchia, “unity”—not the three persons) spreads

    c. 200 Noetus condemned at Rome for Patripassianism (“the father suffers-ism”), the teaching that the Father suffered as the Son

    268 Council of Antioch deposes Paul of Samosata and condemns Sabellianism (i.e., modalism: Father, Son, and Spirit are temporary manifestations of the same being) [source: Heresy in the Early Church: Christian History Timeline].​

    How do we know these ECF were promoting heresy? By what standard do we judge the correctness or falsehood of this theology? By the Pope's standard or Scripture's standard or some other standard?

    Oz
     
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