Why Homosexuality?Is It Of God?

[bhakthi]

Homosexuality is not a new lifestyle that sprang up on modern times. It has its roots since the beginning of human civilization. The first book of the Holy Bible itself mentions about two great cities full of people who practiced homosexuality. Later in the second part of the Bible [Romans;1;19-32]It is explained why people are turned into homosexuals. This part states that homosexuality is a situation in which some people are fallen into as a result of not obeying God.The Bible says,†though they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God or show gratitude.†Instead “they exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man, birds, animals, and reptiles. Therefore God delivered them over in the cravings of their hearts to sexual impurity, so that their bodies were degraded among themselvesRomans;1:19-34.From this it becomes clear that homosexuality is not something biological or natural as some may think but it is a curse from God that comes upon Godless people and their descendants .At the core homosexuality is of spiritual in nature.
Like all other abominable sins –idolatry,adultery,murder and so on homosexuality is contrary to God’s law.In the past there was no remedy for this sin.Only wrath and destruction followed.God rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah which practiced homosexuality. [See Genesis;19]But now there is hope because God is merciful and it is a time of God’s favor toward the mankind..He sent his Son as the Savior of the world to save sinners.The Bible says, “The wages of sin is death.†God loves sinners but hates sin.Lord Jesus said,†I did not come to call the righteous but sinners to repentance.â€ÂLuke;5:32 If anyone turns to him and repent God is willing to forgive and able to change that person inside out. â€ÂIf the Sonsets you free you are free indeed.â€ÂJohn;8:36.

 

[Quadeshet]

Homosexuality is a completely normal facet of human sexuality.

Same sex partnerships are seen in many different animal species, not just humans.

It is natural. If the christian god created nature, then it also created homosexuality.

 

[bibleberean]

Homosexuality is a completely normal facet of human sexuality.

Same sex partnerships are seen in many different animal species, not just humans.

It is natural. If the christian god created nature, then it also created homosexuality.

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Leviticus 20:13, Romans 1:26-27and Jude 1:7-8
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[Nocturnal_Principal_X]

Same sex partnerships are seen in many different animal species, not just humans.

Savage killing is seen in other animal species as well so according to your logic that should be permissible as well.

It is natural. If the christian god created nature, then it also created homosexuality.

God created nature and all things in it and sin corrupted it. So actually your conclusion is incorrect.

 

[Guest]

So, why is it that people can be born with sin, but it isn't possible that they're born with that particular sin?

 

[Rick W]

Same sex partnerships are seen in many different animal species, not just humans.

Ah. The comparison to animal argument. If one wants to be an animal I suppose that kind of argument is valid but I really thought we were to be above the animalistic behavior, you know, civilized or something like that. At least that's what I was taught. If we're to go back to being animals because it's supposed to come natural well, count me out. I'll not use that excuse to justify my behavior. If people want to be animals then I suppose that's their choice.

 

[peace4all]

So, why is it that people can be born with sin, but it isn't possible that they're born with that particular sin?

that is freaking amazing!

one of the best replies to this issue ever..

 

[Solo]

All people continue in sin and rebellion against God the creator, until they have been born again. After that point, God cleans us up from the inside out.

 

[Heidi]

Homosexuality is a completely normal facet of human sexuality.

Same sex partnerships are seen in many different animal species, not just humans.

It is natural. If the christian god created nature, then it also created homosexuality.

It's also natural to have; envy, greed, lust, anger, sloth, gluttony, and pride. Are these things you want to teach your children to pursue? :o We have a sinful nature, bud. Without God, we all live to glorify ourselves and that will be our demise unless we repent.

What the bible means by natural relations is that sex was obviously designed to pro-create as anyone can see. But when used as an end in itself, people distort it and use it simply for bodily gratification. And that causes lust for the sake of lust which leads to sex with man, woman, beast or object, simply for one's own pleasure instead of what God intended it for.

 

[Nocturnal_Principal_X]

It's also natural to have; envy, greed, lust, anger, sloth, gluttony, and pride. Are these things you want to teach your children to pursue? :o We have a sinful nature, bud. Without God, we all live to glorify ourselves and that will be our demise unless we repent.

True, the fact of the matter is as the Bible says we (humans) are born into sin and naturally have those sin desires. God must change the person's nature and in order for that to happen a person must accept Jesus Christ.

 

[Drew]

An aside before I get to my main point: I think that it would be better to allow those who think homosexuality is not sinful to be allowed to fully express their views on this board. I suppose the counterargument to this is that such expression may lead to the moral corruption of those who think otherwise. I find this to be highly implausible for reasons I will not go into now for the sake of brevity. If we Christians are so certain that homosexual behaviour is sin, why aren't we willing to entertain a fully open discussion about it? If we don't do so, we leave ourselves vulnerable to the claim that our case is really not that strong, so we suppress opposing views by prohibiting their expression.

Returning to the topic. I think that the Bible clearly calls homosexual behaviour sin. However, it also seems to promote genocide. So what are we to believe? If we ascribe complete and unqualified authority to the Bible, it seems clear that one has to say "there are circumstances in which it is God's will that little children be killed in cold blood" (e.g. the slaughter of the Amelakites).

Sorry, can't go there. And frankly, I claim, neither can most Christians, altough they are not willing to admit it. They would rather live in the contradictory position of claiming that the Bible is without error on the one hand and really deep down in their gut not believing that God ever ordered genocides (for example) on the other.

I ramble. It could certainly be true that homosexual behaviour is harmful to those who practice it - this is a possible state of affairs. Frankly, my intuition lies in this direction, but I have no real case. In any event, if God really has declared homosexual behaviour to be sin, He presumably did so for a very humane and practical reason - namely that it hurts His children. So it is entirely plausible that the Biblical admonitions against homesexual behaviour are not arbitrary but are rather arise from God's knowledge of what is good and bad for us.

 

[Lewis]

[Romans;1;19-32]It is explained why people are turned into homosexuals.

Wrong, God tuned them over to it, because they want to stay where they are, they are non repentative. So God will turn you over to the desires of your heart, He will pull back and let you go for it. And you will destroy yourself. But He will not turn you into a homosexual. That behavior is learned.

 

[Dave...]

Anybody calling themselves a Christian that would support the sin of homosexuality probably isn't a Christian. One would have to have a very warped understanding of the Gospel to come to that conclusion.

Jesus died on the cross to free us from the enslavement to and power of sin over us. He would not then in turn point us back to that enslavement.

John 8:31 Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him, “If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed. 32 And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.†33 They answered Him, “We are Abraham’s descendants, and have never been in bondage to anyone. How can You say, ‘You will be made free’?†34 Jesus answered them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, whoever commits sin is a slave of sin. 35 And a slave does not abide in the house forever, but a son abides forever. 36 Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed.




Romans 6:12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts. 13 And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. 14 For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.

15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! 16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness? 17 But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered. 18 And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness. 19 I speak in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh. For just as you presented your members as slaves of uncleanness, and of lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves of righteousness for holiness. 20 For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. 21 What fruit did you have then in the things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death. 22 But now having been set free from sin, and having become slaves of God, you have your fruit to holiness, and the end, everlasting life. 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[Vic C.]

So, why is it that people can be born with sin, but it isn't possible that they're born with that particular sin?

It is a misunderstanding of a person's "sin nature". Man has the propensity to sin, meaning it's in our nature to eventually "slip up" and sin. It's this "sin nature" in which we are born. If we are born with sin, tell me, what can an unborn child do that would be cosidered sin? Is kicking it's moma too hard a sin? :

 

[Guest]

So, why is it that people can be born with sin, but it isn't possible that they're born with that particular sin?

It is a misunderstanding of a person's "sin nature". Man has the propensity to sin, meaning it's in our nature to eventually "slip up" and sin. It's this "sin nature" in which we are born. If we are born with sin, tell me, what can an unborn child do that would be cosidered sin? Is kicking it's moma too hard a sin? :

So, we're born with a sinful nature. Is everyone born with the exact same sinful nature? Everyone starts with exactly the same propensity for exactly the same sins?

 

[SputnikBoy]

An aside before I get to my main point: I think that it would be better to allow those who think homosexuality is not sinful to be allowed to fully express their views on this board. I suppose the counterargument to this is that such expression may lead to the moral corruption of those who think otherwise. I find this to be highly implausible for reasons I will not go into now for the sake of brevity. If we Christians are so certain that homosexual behaviour is sin, why aren't we willing to entertain a fully open discussion about it? If we don't do so, we leave ourselves vulnerable to the claim that our case is really not that strong, so we suppress opposing views by prohibiting their expression.

Returning to the topic. I think that the Bible clearly calls homosexual behaviour sin. However, it also seems to promote genocide. So what are we to believe? If we ascribe complete and unqualified authority to the Bible, it seems clear that one has to say "there are circumstances in which it is God's will that little children be killed in cold blood" (e.g. the slaughter of the Amelakites).

Sorry, can't go there. And frankly, I claim, neither can most Christians, altough they are not willing to admit it. They would rather live in the contradictory position of claiming that the Bible is without error on the one hand and really deep down in their gut not believing that God ever ordered genocides (for example) on the other.

I ramble. It could certainly be true that homosexual behaviour is harmful to those who practice it - this is a possible state of affairs. Frankly, my intuition lies in this direction, but I have no real case. In any event, if God really has declared homosexual behaviour to be sin, He presumably did so for a very humane and practical reason - namely that it hurts His children. So it is entirely plausible that the Biblical admonitions against homesexual behaviour are not arbitrary but are rather arise from God's knowledge of what is good and bad for us.

I could not agree with you more, Drew. What a cowardly bunch we are when we have to skirt around this issue as though we're walking on egg shells. What a weak faith some must have for not wanting to confront an issue that is SO important. But we ARE walking on egg shells here and I have to stop right now in case some overly zealous mod deletes my post. Where is our strength in the Lord, for crying out loud for dealing with issues such as this in a civil, loving, Christian manner!?

 

[peace4all]

you know something i noticed, I mean, this is a little out ther ebut..


back in biblical times, the bible forbade eating pork, or seafood, because it was unhealthy. You had a chance of getting sick right?

and there are other OT rules that, at the time, applied because they helped people from getting sick etc.. Now, A HUGE part of any civilization is the ability to reproduce.. So, was this possible just a rule set down to try to encourage human reproduction, However, when the NT hit the shelfs, (due to being man made) people re-included biased and homophobic rules?

 

[Lewis]

I am will talk about it in a New York minute, we as Christians are suppossed to confront this issue head on. It is our duty. That is one of the reasons things are so wrong now. Christians to scared to confront.

Returning to the topic. I think that the Bible clearly calls homosexual behaviour sin. However, it also seems to promote genocide. So what are we to believe? If we ascribe complete and unqualified authority to the Bible, it seems clear that one has to say "there are circumstances in which it is God's will that little children be killed in cold blood" (e.g. the slaughter of the Amelakites).

God had reasons for ordering killings of children, God can see things that we cannot. One of the reasons is God could see evil in some of these children, God can look on the hearts of these children. Take a look at 1 Kings 14: 10-13. And take a good look at verse, 13.God is talking about a baby here. But make sure you read from 10 through 13 to understand it. And some men slayed the whole family because back then, a wife and children were considered a mans property.but anyway in the verse below God was looking on the heart of this baby. So that tells you that he can look at the future of babies.

1KINGS 14:13 And all Israel shall mourn for him, and bury him: for he only of Jeroboam shall come to the grave, because in him there is found some good thing toward the LORD God of Israel in the house of Jeroboam.

I ramble. It could certainly be true that homosexual behaviour is harmful to those who practice it - this is a possible state of affairs. Frankly, my intuition lies in this direction, but I have no real case. In any event, if God really has declared homosexual behaviour to be sin, He presumably did so for a very humane and practical reason - namely that it hurts His children. So it is entirely plausible that the Biblical admonitions against homesexual behaviour are not arbitrary but are rather arise from God's knowledge of what is good and bad for us.

God did not design man to lie with man, and woman to lie with woman, we are to procreate, and subdue the earth. We were to replenish the earth is the orders He gave Noah, Ham, Shem, and Japheth. The sexual organs of a man were designed for a woman, and a woman for the man, it is a perfect fit. It's just that simple. It don't take a rocket scientist to figure this out. God knows better than man. He is the one who created us, He has the right to say what is wrong, and what is right, not man. And if you are a Christian you are to take God at His Word. And that goes for Old Testament Jews too.

 

[SputnikBoy]

God did not design man to lie with man, and woman to lie with woman, we are to procreate, and subdue the earth. We were to replenish the earth is the orders He gave Noah, Ham, Shem, and Japheth.

Don't you think that has pretty well been accomplished, Lewis? We have such overcrowding and poverty in many parts of the world that this argument is no longer a valid one. How many more people do we need on this overcrowded planet? I mean ...really!

The sexual organs of a man were designed for a woman, and a woman for the man, it is a perfect fit. It's just that simple. It don't take a rocket scientist to figure this out.

It also don't take rocket science to figure out that human beings don't have sex merely to procreate, Lewis! People today are obsessed with sex. It's become a saleable commodity. And it is NOT that simple for many people. That may be a fine argument for an ideal world but we don't live in an ideal world in case you hadn't noticed.

God knows better than man. He is the one who created us, He has the right to say what is wrong, and what is right, not man. And if you are a Christian you are to take God at His Word. And that goes for Old Testament Jews too.

Again, that's fine. But what of the individual who has always felt 'different' and doesn't know how to handle these feelings he/she might have? Simply saying that God knows better than man and that we are to take God at His Word does not help these people one iota. And we Christians should also be about trying to understand where they are coming from, not merely quoting scriptures to them in order to 'convert' them into 'becoming straight' ...not that you were.

 

[ThinkerMan]

[quote="Lewis" W]The sexual organs of a man were designed for a woman, and a woman for the man, it is a perfect fit. It's just that simple. It don't take a rocket scientist to figure this out. [/quote]

I will try not to get graphic here, but are you saying that the only place the male organ should go is in a female vagina? Because of your "perfect fit", is oral sex a sin? How about a hand? Or any other body part?

While of course the males organs are different the the womans, the hand, the mouth, and other places are anatomically the same betweent the two genders.