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Christian marriage is a union of love between husband and wife, in which, God who is love, is the binding force (Matt 19:6). In other words, God unites husband and wife. In His plan they are no longer two, but one (Gen 2:24; Matt 19:5; Eph 5:31). This means that they have to surrender their entire being to the other and husbands have to love their wife as Christ loves His Church (Eph 5:25). In fact their bond is stronger than that between them and their parents; they therefore, leave their parents and unite with their spouse (Mark 10:7). Because God is the binding force in their union and God is unchanging (Malachi 3:6), it is impossible to break the bond (Matt 19:6). Jesus clearly tells us that no one should separate what God has joined together (Matt 19:6). Therefore, even when divorced people remarry, their first spouse is the only real spouse. Therefore, sexual relationship with any other person becomes adultery (Luke 16:18). Since God is the binding force, an attempt at rejecting the bond is an attempt at rejecting God. Divorce is therefore, against God. God therefore, hates divorce (Malachi 2:16) and is not pleased with the offerings of those who divorce their spouse (Malachi 2: 13-14). Divorce is absolutely prohibited by Jesus (Mk 10:11-12, Luke 6:18), except when the marriage was illicit (Matt 5:32). The word in the Greek text for this exemption is porneia; which in no way means adultery (the Greek word for adultery is moiceia).

Forgiveness is the very heart of Christianity, because, Christianity has to do with redemption and redemption has to do with forgiveness. The whole redemption history revolves around God’s forgiveness. Although we are continually unfaithful to God He does not abandon us; on the contrary He sacrificed His own life to compensate for the sins (Matthew 26:27-28) we committed against Him. If we have to accept His forgiveness we have to believe in it by showing the same type of forgiveness to others (Matt 6:12)-especially our spouse. We must never give up, because, God does not give up on us. Sometimes, the stresses of marriage may seem unbearable, especially if our spouse is alcoholic, abusive, mentally ill or unfaithful. In such situations, we can stay faithful to our commitment; by remembering, how Jesus compensated for our wrong doings, when we were unfaithful to him and wronged him. We should continually pray and make sacrifices for the conversion of our spouse. In our prayers, we should surrender ourselves completely to God’s will, and ask Him to be our thoughts, feelings, desires and actions.
 
Matthew 19:29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

1 Cor.7:1 It is good for a man not to touch a woman.

1 Cor.7:7-8 For I [Paul] would that all men were even as I myself. ... It is good for them if they abide even as I.

If you marry, don't touch her! That's what the bible says. In fact, abandon your wife for God, and you will receive everlasting life in Heaven! AMEN!
 
The Bible accepts marriage as the union of a man and one or more women. There are rules for accepting new wives and the Bible gives rules for attaining new wives from the battlefield to earning them through work. The Bible just gives rules about not marring a mother and daughter and rules for inheritance when you have more than one wife.

Attempts to deny the Bible supported polygamy is just reconstructionist history.

Quath
 
ErikSalaan said:
Matthew 19:29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

1 Cor.7:1 It is good for a man not to touch a woman.

1 Cor.7:7-8 For I [Paul] would that all men were even as I myself. ... It is good for them if they abide even as I.

If you marry, don't touch her! That's what the bible says. In fact, abandon your wife for God, and you will receive everlasting life in Heaven! AMEN!
You have taken those Scriptures completely out of context and twisted them to mean something that is totally unbiblical.


Quath said:
Attempts to deny the Bible supported polygamy is just reconstructionist history.
I don't think the Bible supports polygamy; it speaks about it and those who were polygamous, but it doesn't support it.
 
Free said:
I don't think the Bible supports polygamy; it speaks about it and those who were polygamous, but it doesn't support it.
One of the things that stands out is that many of the people God promoted had many wives like wise king Solomen with his 700 and 300 concubines. There is also the story where Jacob's wives compete with each other. God opens and closes the womb based on helping out one wife over the other. Jacob even has sex with his wives's slaves to have children. Nowever does God condone it. By the act of God helping people concieve, it canbe assumed he supported this.

Exodus 21:10 says "If he take him another wife; her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish." It does not forbids plural marriage but gives rules for it instead.

Deut 21 talks about taking women captive on the battlefield. Then it goes into what happens if you have more than one wife and you like one more than the other.

In 2 Samuel 12:8 "And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom" So God is saying He set up David to have many wives.

There are arguments against, but from what I have seen they do not contradict that the Bible sets up rules for plural marriage and God does not condemn the practice in general (only in specifics).

Quath
 
"Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and the man who marries a divorced woman commits adultery."
(Luke 16:18)

Amen!
 
This is the exact forum that I have been looking for. For those of you who believe that there is no cause for divorce and remarriage (as do I). I have been in this situation and have chosen to get out of it but I do not know how to get rid of the feelings for the person that I was married too. I'm not talking sexually but about the feelings of love that a man and woman have for one another. Any thoughts.
As far as the people who had more than one wife in the Old Testament, that was not God's intentions but know this that they never had another man's wife. the only one who did was David and the only reason that he got to keep her is because he killed her husband to cover his sin but he paid dearly for that sin.
 
This is the exact forum that I have been looking for. For those of you who believe that there is no cause for divorce and remarriage (as do I). I have been in this situation and have chosen to get out of it but I do not know how to get rid of the feelings for the person that I was married too. I'm not talking sexually but about the feelings of love that a man and woman have for one another. Any thoughts.
As far as the people who had more than one wife in the Old Testament, that was not God's intentions but know this that they never had another man's wife. the only one who did was David and the only reason that he got to keep her is because he killed her husband to cover his sin but he paid dearly for that sin.

True love can never be destroyed, because, God is love. Your wif, therefore, is always your wife. It is a good sign that you have feelings for your spouse. You must do all you can to get back with your spouse. Pray unceasingly for your spouse, because, that is the best connection you can make with her.
 
Arunangelo- Thanks for your post but you missed my whole situaion. First of all, I am a woman. (That's okay though) I know that you mean well but I am not talking about my spouse. I was just trying to explain that I had been remarried and upon the Lord dealing with me and teaching me that I do only have one husband and it wasn't my second one, and by getting out of that adulterous marriage didn't make it simple or take the feelings for that person away. I have sort of answered my own question though and with talking to others on this forum and another one that there are consequences to everything that we do. I may never get over the feelings that I shared with my second marriage and I was struggling to know how. Now I know that the bond will always be there and I just have to give it over to the Lord. Thanks for trying, though. I suppose that I could be reconciled to my first husband but I think I'll stick with the verse in the Bible that says you can reconcile or remain alone. I rather do the latter. lol
 
God can divorce people. He divorced me from the men I slept with before I married my current husband. He can divorce you from your previous husband too if you believe.
 
Repenting of an adulterous remarriage

von said:
Arunangelo- Thanks for your post but you missed my whole situaion. First of all, I am a woman. (That's okay though) I know that you mean well but I am not talking about my spouse. I was just trying to explain that I had been remarried and upon the Lord dealing with me and teaching me that I do only have one husband and it wasn't my second one, and by getting out of that adulterous marriage didn't make it simple or take the feelings for that person away. I have sort of answered my own question though and with talking to others on this forum and another one that there are consequences to everything that we do. I may never get over the feelings that I shared with my second marriage and I was struggling to know how. Now I know that the bond will always be there and I just have to give it over to the Lord. Thanks for trying, though. I suppose that I could be reconciled to my first husband but I think I'll stick with the verse in the Bible that says you can reconcile or remain alone. I rather do the latter. lol

Von, Amazing! I too repented of an adulterous remarriage.
My testimony is at
http://www.poovy.8m.com

Cheryl
 
I had been remarried and upon the Lord dealing with me and teaching me that I do only have one husband and it wasn't my second one, and by getting out of that adulterous marriage didn't make it simple or take the feelings for that person away.

von-are you sayiing you got out of a good marriage (perhaps) just because this person wasn't your first? Did you not know that from the beginning and later changed your mind that you then considered it adulterous? I'm confused here. If that is true, that's not much of a reason to walk away from the vows you made before God and man. Ask forgiveness for that first mistake and love the one you married if you still have feelings, why depart?

I think some of you are out in left field on this issue. does the word of God not say, 1 Corinthians 7:9 (KJV) But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn. Or does thins only hold true for "first timers?" Whether you're 25, 40 or 60, those same feelilngs are still there. That's the way God intended it for both male and female. Can we not get forgiveness for our stupidity and poor choices and get forgiveness of any sin? I would think that would be for adultery as well. Is any sin beyond the forgiveness of God? None I know of except the sin of blasphemy.

1 Corinthians 7:15 (KJV) But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.

What if we have an instance of a wife leaving her husband and he desired her to stay? If the unbelieving husband or the unbelieving wife will leave his or her correlate, that is, so leave them as to return no more to live as a husband or as a wife with her or him that is Christian, let him depart. Such a person hath broken the bond of marriage, and in such cases Christians are not under bondage, they are not tied by law to fetch them again, nor by the laws of God to keep themselves unmarried for their perverseness. But it may be objected, that nothing but adultery, by the Divine law, breaketh that bond.
But the husband's voluntary leaving his wife, or the wife's voluntary leaving her husband, with a resolution to return no more to them, breaks also the bond of marriage, frustrating it as to the ends for which God hath appointed it; and, after all due means used to bring again the party departing to their duty, does certainly free the correlate. So that although nothing can justify repudiation, or putting away a wife or a husband, and marrying another, but the adultery of the person so divorced and repudiated; yet the departure either of husband or wife without the other's consent for a long time, and refusal to return after all due means used, especially if the party so going away does it out of a hatred and abomination of the other's religion, will justify the persons so deserted, after due waiting and use of means to reduce him or her to their duty, wholly to cast off the person deserting; for no Christian in such a case, by God's law, is under bondage.
 
First of all when it says it is better to marry than to burn, Paul was talking to virgins. Secondly, when it says the husband is not under bondage if the wife leaves, it means he is not required to take care of and support her anymore. NO ALIMONY. Rough aint? I realize that Hager was not Abraham's wife but when God told him to send her away Abraham, a rich man, gave her nor her son anything.
Yes, that is what I did. You see God does not honor that second vow that you made. He only sees the first one. I know it is a very touchy subject and in my heart I hope that I have misunderstood it, because if I have, I have nothing to worry about but, for the people in the situation, who refuse to take the Word of God at what it says, well if I'm right then they have a lot to worry about. For their sakes I hope they can remain remarried. Really, I do. It is a very hard thing, it's not fun or pleasant in any form, except the peace that God gives. I wish we did have more than one chance to correct our stupid mistakes, but God takes a vow very seriously. The problem is it is not taught to us from little up, otherwise we wouldn't make so many stupid mistakes. Believe me I could kick myself over and over for alot of my mistakes. Thank-God they are under the blood.
 
Lekazar said:
"Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and the man who marries a divorced woman commits adultery."
(Luke 16:18)

Amen!

`And I say to you, that, whoever may put away his wife, if not for whoredom, and may marry another, doth commit adultery; and he who did marry her that hath been put away, doth commit adultery.'
(Mat 19:9)


AMEN!!!

Points concerning divorce and remarriage.
Rightly dividing the word of truth.

These are some of the items that come up in discussions about divorce and remarriage.
This article is not defending all divorce and remarriage, only those remarriages where one spouse engaged in unlawful sex with another person and, after given the chance to cease, refused to do so.
Im not making any comments in this about divorce or remarriage for desertion, abuse, etc.

Herod and Herodias
The first thing to remember is that Jesus had not yet begun His ministry when John started accusing Herod and Herodias.(Luke 3:19-23)
Johns ministy was the beginning of, the transition into, the gospel kingdom
Herodias was the niece of Phillip and Herod, the daughter their own brother Aristobulus.
Thus marrying her was unlawful for either Phillip or Herod as she was closely related.
Another sin that was commited was that Herod and Herodias met and conspired to put away their spouses for no good reason, then marry each other.
This is backed by Josephus in book 18, chapter 5. As is how Herodias had defied the laws of the land by divorcing Phillip ''while he still lived''. But on that point, who can divorce a dead man, she would have been freed of the law of Phillip with his death. Her divorce was invalid as the wife did not have this right.

The old dispensation had passed with Johns preaching, but things didnt just change overnite.
John condemned Herod and Herodias with the Mosiac Law.
Those sexual laws are still intact in this covenant. We know sex with a sister or with a brothers wife is still effective.
Herodias was still the wife of Phillip lawfully as Jewish custom, nor Mosiac law, permitted a woman to divorce.
And most of all because Herodias hadnt put him away for a scriptural reason, she just wanted Herod, a new man.
God doesnt have to recognize divorce under circumstances He doesnt permit.


What were the pharisees asking Jesus and what was His response?
The pharisees didnt ask Jesus ''can we divorce''. (Matt 19:3)
This is a very key point to Jesus' response.
What they asked Him is ''can we divorce for any reason'', then they proceeded to argue that Moses had permitted them to just hand the wife divorce papers and send them packing. They didnt have to have any good reason at all.
So Jesus wasnt responding to ''can we divorce''
He was answering ''can we divorce for any reason at all"
Jesus returned things to their beginning state. A marriage was for life, thats how God created it.
Jesus said ''only for whoredom'' (any unlawful sex) can we divorce


Josephs putting Mary away
Jesus had not been yet born to teach.
Joseph and Mary were under Mosaic Law and thus Deut 24:1-4 was still in force.
Joe could have put Mary away for any number of reasons and as such their example would be irrelevant to this topic regardless of the situation involved.
We dont know if Joe would have put Mary away under the rule change that Jesus made.
Everything about that situation is hypothetical and cannot be used as proof of anything.



Porneia
Whoredom, harlotry, illicit sex of any kind.
This included every sexual sin of every nature.
Sex with men, women, animals or any other perversion in existance or any new ones that a person can come up with.
This can be commited by anyone. A husband or wife or a single person.
When porneia (any sexual sin) is carried out by the married, the crime of adultery is commited.



Did Jesus say ''wife'' or "espoused" wife
If Jesus had been only refering to the betrothal period in the exception clause, He would have used the very term used for Mary at times...."espoused wife'' or ''espoused'' (see G3423).
He didnt. He clearly used the word that means ''wife'' or woman. A mans woman was his wife.
She was his lawful wife from the moment the marriage was contracted.
Jesus knew this.
When He said ''wife'' He was refering to whoredom of a wife, pre or post consumation.
(compare Matt 19.9 and 5:32 with Luke 2:5)


What is ''one flesh'' and what is it that God joins together?
We cannot assert that ''one flesh'' is anything beyond mere sex.
The reason is that Paul states in 1 Corinth. 6:16 that even having sex with a harlot makes us one body with her. Paul uses the example of ''one flesh'' as in marriage.
If we assert that ''one flesh'' is anything beyond sex (consumation in marraige), then we must apply that to sex with the harlot as well, just as Paul presents.
What God joins together is the man and woman in His marital covenant. This covenant is not unconditional. It never has been.
(compare 1 Cor. 6:16 with Mark 10:8), Paul even quotes the phrase used to show its the same thing)




A wife is a lawful wife even during the betrothal year and punishable as such
A woman was the covenant wife of her husband during the whole betrothal year.
So Jesus isnt refering to premarital sex, the two were married lawfully.
Jesus said 'wife''
A wife was a "wife" lawfully as soon as she was betrothed/contracted in marriage.
Jesus was not only refering to premarital sex, because in the custom Jesus lived in "betrothed" was not a PREmarital state, it was unconsumated marriage. It was Lawful, binding, permanent marriage.
There is no distinction made between ''epoused wife'' and ''wife'' as far as the punishment for willful sexual sin in the OT.
When Jesus says ''except for whoredom you cannot put your ''wife'' away'' He shows that that has not changed.
What has changed, though is mercy to the sinner. By not issuing the death of the woman found in adultery, Jesus has shown that the adulteress isnt to be put to death because of mercys sake.


Matthew written to Jews, do the differences matter
Some state that because Matt. was written to Jews that the difference of the exception clause applies only to the Jews.

The assertion that because the exception clause is present in Matthew, yet not in Mark that it is only for Jews is absurdity.
Lets look at the example of the empty tomb and see the great differences there.


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Mat 28:2-6 And behold, a great earthquake occurred; for an angel of the Lord, having come down out of heaven, came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat on it. (3) And His appearance was like lightning, and his clothing as white as snow. (4) And the guards were shaken for fear of him, and became like dead men. (5) But the angel answered and said to the women, "Do not be afraid, for I know that you seek Jesus who was crucified. (6) He is not here! For He is risen, just as He said. Come; see the place where the Lord was lying.
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Luk 24:2-9 But they found the stone having been rolled away from the tomb. (3) And going in they did not find the body of the Lord Jesus. (4) And it happened, as they were greatly perplexed about this, that behold, two men stood by them in dazzling apparel. (5) Then, as they became afraid and bowed their faces to the ground, they said to them, "Why do you seek the living among the dead? (6) He is not here, but is risen! Remember how He spoke to you when He was still in Galilee, (7) saying, 'The Son of Man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and on the third day rise again.' " (8) And they remembered His words. (9) And returning from the tomb, they reported all these things to the eleven and to all the rest.
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Mar 16:5-8 And entering into the tomb, they saw a young man sitting on the right clothed with a white robe, and they were alarmed. (6) But he said to them, "Do not be alarmed. You are seeking Jesus the Nazarene, who was crucified. He has arisen! He is not here! See the place where they put Him. (7) But go, say to His disciples, and Peter, that He is going before you into Galilee; there you shall see Him, just as He said to you." (8) And going out, they fled from the tomb, but trembling and amazement held them; and they said nothing to anyone, for they were afraid.
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and in John, no one is mentioned at all.
Joh 20:1-2 On the first day of the week Mary Magdalene went to the tomb early, while it was still dark, and saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb. (2) Therefore she ran and came to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and said to them, "They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they have laid Him."---
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Three different descriptions given of who was there, and Johns account makes no mention at all of anyone.
Does that mean John taught there was no angel present at the tomb to his followers?
We know this, God gives His law to humanity. He wants all people everywhere to obey Him.
When God distinguishes that a rule is for one group and not the whole, He states it clearly (below about Levitical priests forbidden to take wives ''put away'').
Since Jesus did not specify that this only applied to Jews, there is no reason to think that it did.
Since Jesus also did not specify ''espoused wife'' but clearly the word for ''wife'' was used, He must have been upholding that, as it always has, the sexual sins of the guilty break the conditional covenant of marriage. Jesus states we can put away a wife for this reason alone.


Are covenants breakable
A covenant is made by one person to another. The two can make covenants together, like marriage vows being given by both the husband and the bride.
There are unconditional covenants that can be carried out no matter what, such as the covenant that God made to Abraham concerning that He would preserve Israel, which He has through the remnant.
Then there are conditional covenants, such as the one presented to Israel in the OT.
Over and over again throughout the OT God says Israel is breaking His covenant.
For them to break it, it must be conditional.

The conditional covenant maker can also finally break it if it is persistantly disregarded by the person it is made to.(such as a whoring nation or a whoring spouse)
Israel had continually broken Gods covenant He made to them.
So fully and finally He broke it entirely, so as to end it.

And I took my staff, even Beauty, and cut it asunder, that I might break my covenant which I had made with all the people.
And it was broken in that day: and so the poor of the flock that waited upon me knew that it was the word of the LORD.
(Zec 11:10-11 KJV)

There is one more OT prophet, Malachi, which reads like a dear John letter from a departing spouse, then silence from God for 400+ years until John the baptist who was the promised ''Elijah'' that would come. (Malachi 4:5)

Marriage is not an unconditional covenant.
Jesus proves this with ''except for whoredom"

Does sexual sin break the marriage covenant
Willful sexual sin in the OT within marriage always was punishable by death.
No distinction is made for the year long betrothal period.
Jesus kept right in stride with this idea when He said only for whoredom can we divorce and remarry without commiting adultery.

Mat 19:9 `And I say to you, that, whoever may put away his wife, if not for whoredom, and may marry another, doth commit adultery; and he who did marry her that hath been put away, doth commit adultery.'

The marriage covenant is not unconditional.
Gods original intent was that the only condition that would end a union was whoredom.
This is represented in the law that makes this crime a death punishable offense.


Did "putting away" and remarriage happen pre-Deuteronomy 24?
Men were evil and put away thier wives for all sorts of things.
That putting away was happening is proven in Leviticus.
The priests alone are told not to marry a women who had been put away.
Women who are put away unjustly still need food, water, a place to sleep and love.
God did not forbid them from remarrying in general, only to those priests (who were a foreshadow of our Lord)
Some will tell you that putting away and remarriage did not happen pre-Deut, but this a absolutely a lie.
If it werent happening, then there would have been no need to prohibit the priests from doing so.
The priests are the only ones with this prohibition.
(Lev 21:7 and 21:14)

Evidences of divorce and remarriage in the Church
Evidences that there were divorcees who had remarried in the church are found in the list of widows and the requirements for bishops.

>-1Tim 5:9 Do not let a widow be enrolled having become less than sixty years old, the wife of one man,
>-Titus 1:6 if anyone is blameless, husband of one wife, having believing children, not accused of loose behavior, or disobedient.
>-1Tim 3:2 Then it behooves the overseer to be without reproach, husband of one wife, temperate, sensible, well-ordered, hospitable, apt at teaching,

The remarried widow(er) was not prohibited or restricted in any manner I have seen, Paul even recommends that younger widows remarry.
Paul would be purposefully making it impossible for a woman to later to be accepted to this list of widows for no good reason if he were speaking the remarried widow in 1 tim 5:9 above instead of a remarried divorcee.

Of all the possibilities, ONLY divorce and remarriage is corrected clearly in scripture.
We can assume that frivolous divorce and remarriage would immediately bar one from the prominent position of bishop.
But Paul makes no distinction, so we must assume that he also means those who divorced an adulteress then remarried as well (just to be on the safe side).
Showing that these, athough not the most prominent persons, were indeed still in fellowship with the rest of our brethren.

Some will state that this have put away these second marriages, but what I find very peculiar is that, if this matter were so crucial to salvation, Paul should surely have made a point of it. "Only if these second wives have been put away''.
The way its left, it sounds very much like they could have still been with the person.

Another issue is that those of the anti-remarriage camp state that this second "marriage" is not a marriage at all, but an adulterous affair.
The clear implication above is that the second marriage is a recognized one, if it werent, then Paul would have simply called these people adulterers and surely they wouldnt even be in fellowship. Let alone being considered for the position of Bishop.


The wife is bound by law until the husband is dead
In Romans Paul was speaking to those who knew the law.
The law reigned over a man all his days.
Paul uses this analogy of marriage, the wife being bound to her husband all his days, to represent that it was the same.
What Paul didnt state, and those knowing the law would know this, is that there was provision in the law for a husband to put away his wife. Deut 24:1-4.
This shows conclusively that Paul was not laying out the whole scope of rules on marrige in Romans 7, but was using one aspect of it to explain our relationship to the law and to the new covenant.

This idea is presented again in 1 Corinthians 7:39. The wife is bound to the husband until his death.
The only problem is that Paul isnt dealing with adultery from his words to the church there.
Seemingly he is presenting his instruction to those in that were leaving and divorcing a spouse for no scriptural reason .
In this chapter he starts off presenting that to avoid fornication seemingly by taking a spouse.
Corinth was the sexual sin capitol of the area, so we can imagine many of the people were used to just having sex whenever it pleased them.
Sex is only lawful within the confines of a marriage, Let each man and woman have their own spouse.

verse 7:39 states that, again, the wife is bound by law as long as her husband lives.
Again we have the issue that Paul isnt telling the whole story here as the very law he keeps speaking of, made provision for divorce (Deut24:1-4).
Deut 24 had given a man the authority to divorce for just about any reason.
Jesus, as seen above, did away with this idea and returned things to their original state.
A wife must break the covenant with whoredom or she cannot just be cast away.
To do so, then to remarry, would be to commit adultery against that union.
 
von said:
First of all when it says it is better to marry than to burn, Paul was talking to virgins. Secondly, when it says the husband is not under bondage if the wife leaves, it means he is not required to take care of and support her anymore. NO ALIMONY. Rough aint?
not in bondage means just what it shows, we are ''free''.

I realize that Hager was not Abraham's wife but when God told him to send her away Abraham, a rich man, gave her nor her son anything.
Yes, that is what I did. You see God does not honor that second vow that you made. He only sees the first one.
Your way off in your context.
That whole situation had nothing to do with a second marriage.
It was solely about Isaac and the promise.


But brothers, we, like Isaac, are children of promise. But then even as he born according to flesh persecuted him born according to the Spirit, so it is also now. But what does the Scripture say? "Cast out the slave-woman and her son; for in no way shall the son of the slave-woman inherit with the son of the free woman."
(Gal 4:28-30)
 
I realize that Hagar was not Abrahams wife, but Ishmael was his son. The point is to show that God is no respector of persons and no I am not off base.
 
von said:
I realize that Hagar was not Abrahams wife, but Ishmael was his son. The point is to show that God is no respector of persons and no I am not off base.
Im sorry, you said this.


You see God does not honor that second vow that you made. He only sees the first one.
youll have to explain to us how that has a single thing to do with his putting her away.
You made it a first marriage/second marriage issue.
are you retracting that now?

Not off base?
YOU were the one who stated the above quote, now youre changing your tune to something about God not being a respector of persons.
 
arunangelo said:
Christian marriage is a union of love between husband and wife, in which, God who is love, is the binding force (Matt 19:6). In other words, God unites husband and wife. In His plan they are no longer two, but one (Gen 2:24; Matt 19:5; Eph 5:31). This means that they have to surrender their entire being to the other and husbands have to love their wife as Christ loves His Church (Eph 5:25). In fact their bond is stronger than that between them and their parents; they therefore, leave their parents and unite with their spouse (Mark 10:7). Because God is the binding force in their union and God is unchanging (Malachi 3:6), it is impossible to break the bond (Matt 19:6). Jesus clearly tells us that no one should separate what God has joined together (Matt 19:6). Therefore, even when divorced people remarry, their first spouse is the only real spouse. Therefore, sexual relationship with any other person becomes adultery (Luke 16:18). Since God is the binding force, an attempt at rejecting the bond is an attempt at rejecting God. Divorce is therefore, against God. God therefore, hates divorce (Malachi 2:16) and is not pleased with the offerings of those who divorce their spouse (Malachi 2: 13-14). Divorce is absolutely prohibited by Jesus (Mk 10:11-12, Luke 6:18), except when the marriage was illicit (Matt 5:32). The word in the Greek text for this exemption is porneia; which in no way means adultery (the Greek word for adultery is moiceia).

Forgiveness is the very heart of Christianity, because, Christianity has to do with redemption and redemption has to do with forgiveness. The whole redemption history revolves around God’s forgiveness. Although we are continually unfaithful to God He does not abandon us; on the contrary He sacrificed His own life to compensate for the sins (Matthew 26:27-28) we committed against Him. If we have to accept His forgiveness we have to believe in it by showing the same type of forgiveness to others (Matt 6:12)-especially our spouse. We must never give up, because, God does not give up on us. Sometimes, the stresses of marriage may seem unbearable, especially if our spouse is alcoholic, abusive, mentally ill or unfaithful. In such situations, we can stay faithful to our commitment; by remembering, how Jesus compensated for our wrong doings, when we were unfaithful to him and wronged him. We should continually pray and make sacrifices for the conversion of our spouse. In our prayers, we should surrender ourselves completely to God’s will, and ask Him to be our thoughts, feelings, desires and actions.



Arunangelo- very beautifully expressed! IMHO, when Jesus abrogated the allowance of Moses to set HIS standard on marriage- this is what He had in mind.

Thank you for sharing the truth the Lord has shown you on this issue.
 
Delicate said:
arunangelo said:
Christian marriage is a union of love between husband and wife, in which, God who is love, is the binding force (Matt 19:6). In other words, God unites husband and wife. In His plan they are no longer two, but one (Gen 2:24; Matt 19:5; Eph 5:31). This means that they have to surrender their entire being to the other and husbands have to love their wife as Christ loves His Church (Eph 5:25). In fact their bond is stronger than that between them and their parents; they therefore, leave their parents and unite with their spouse (Mark 10:7). Because God is the binding force in their union and God is unchanging (Malachi 3:6), it is impossible to break the bond (Matt 19:6). Jesus clearly tells us that no one should separate what God has joined together (Matt 19:6). Therefore, even when divorced people remarry, their first spouse is the only real spouse. Therefore, sexual relationship with any other person becomes adultery (Luke 16:18). Since God is the binding force, an attempt at rejecting the bond is an attempt at rejecting God. Divorce is therefore, against God. God therefore, hates divorce (Malachi 2:16) and is not pleased with the offerings of those who divorce their spouse (Malachi 2: 13-14). Divorce is absolutely prohibited by Jesus (Mk 10:11-12, Luke 6:18), except when the marriage was illicit (Matt 5:32). The word in the Greek text for this exemption is porneia; which in no way means adultery (the Greek word for adultery is moiceia).

Forgiveness is the very heart of Christianity, because, Christianity has to do with redemption and redemption has to do with forgiveness. The whole redemption history revolves around God’s forgiveness. Although we are continually unfaithful to God He does not abandon us; on the contrary He sacrificed His own life to compensate for the sins (Matthew 26:27-28) we committed against Him. If we have to accept His forgiveness we have to believe in it by showing the same type of forgiveness to others (Matt 6:12)-especially our spouse. We must never give up, because, God does not give up on us. Sometimes, the stresses of marriage may seem unbearable, especially if our spouse is alcoholic, abusive, mentally ill or unfaithful. In such situations, we can stay faithful to our commitment; by remembering, how Jesus compensated for our wrong doings, when we were unfaithful to him and wronged him. We should continually pray and make sacrifices for the conversion of our spouse. In our prayers, we should surrender ourselves completely to God’s will, and ask Him to be our thoughts, feelings, desires and actions.



Arunangelo- very beautifully expressed! IMHO, when Jesus abrogated the allowance of Moses to set HIS standard on marriage- this is what He had in mind.

Thank you for sharing the truth the Lord has shown you on this issue.
If Jesus ''abrogated'' Moses allowance, why does Jesus say ''except for harlotry you cannot divorce and remarry without committing adultery"?


Some interesting facts.

-FACT: We all accept the exception clause....we have NO choice but to accept our Lords words.
-FACT: We all know its dealing with sexual sin by a person we have entered into a marital covenant with.
-FACT: Jesus does not show divorce and remarriage as adultery when this ''porneia'' has been commited.
-FACT: ''Porneia'' is all inclusive of every sexual sin and alludes to much more than just sexual sin (which is most likely why the word was used). It is NOT exclusive to PREmartal sex (see Acts 15)
-FACT: Jesus did not distinguish ‘’engaged’’ in His exception clause, He clearly used the word for ‘’woman’’ or ‘’wife’’... Not ‘’betrothed’’...He said ''wife'' consumated or not.
Logical conclusion: divorce and remarriage when ANY sexual sin has been commited by either spouse is NOT adultery by our Lords own concession.
 
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