Bible Study Why Sunday can NOT be the Lord's Day

[Bob10]

In the NT book of Revelation -(14:7), John says he saw an angel (or messenger) saying, “with a loud voice, ‘Fear God and give glory to him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of water. ’ â€Â

Now there is only one commandment, which tells us - and indeed was given to remind us - who created the heavens, the earth, and the sea, and the fountains of water.

That commandment is the seventh day Sabbath of the fourth commandment, “Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy....for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea...†(Exodus 20: 8-11).

“For by Him [Jesus] were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth….all things were created by Him and for Him [Jesus]†(Colossians 1: 16).

“....by whom also He made the worlds†(Hebrews 1:2).

Even in the New Testament Church, the God of creation is the one to worship, to fear and to honor (Rev 14:7).

The seventh day Sabbath is the Creator's day -- an honorable day to HONOR Him (Isaiah 58:13).

http://www.nisbett.com/sabbath/sunday_not_lords_day.htm

 

[Free]

That's nice and all, but history tells us that the very early church called Sunday the Lord's Day and that is when they worshipped.

 

[evanman]

EVERY day belong's to God.

Every day is the Lord's day.

The Sabbath command is that everyone should work for the first six days and then refrain from working on the last day.

It is a day that was created for man so that we would take a day off!

 

[Bob10]

...history tells us that the very early church called Sunday the Lord's Day

As a Christian, it was Paul's custom, his manner to observe the Sabbath Day (Acts 17:2) ------ same as Jesus (Lk 4:16), because Paul was a follower of Christ (1 Cor. 11:1).

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Luke wrote these words (in Acts) about thirty years after the resurrection of Christ.

This allowed ample time for any changes in the custom, practice, and worship of God's apostles and His early church.

They would have had over three decades to put any such changes in doctrine or custom in place. Obviously, the apostles and the early church continued to keep God's Sabbaths and His annual holy days.

 

[JM]

...history tells us that the very early church called Sunday the Lord's Day

As a Christian, it was Paul's custom, his manner to observe the Sabbath Day (Acts 17:2) ------ same as Jesus (Lk 4:16), because Paul was a follower of Christ (1 Cor. 11:1).

The sabbath is a jewish custom, part of the law and not for this dispensation. :angel:

 

[Bob10]

The sabbath is a jewish custom, part of the law and not for this dispensation.

That kind of language does NOT come from the Bible.

It comes from religious pamphlets from various denominations -- just religious pamphlets.

 

[Vic C.]

In the NT book of Revelation -(14:7), John says he saw an angel (or messenger) saying, “with a loud voice, ‘Fear God and give glory to him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of water. ’ â€Â

Will this statement be made on the sabbath? Because it appears to be 'present tense'. This passage makes no reference as to what day it will be proclaimed, so assuming it is on the Sabbath is spectulation. The verse simply says 'Give glory to the Creator'.

 

[Free]

Bob,

Yes, the early followers of Christ likely observed the Sabbath, but they are also known to have gathered on Sunday to worship God.

 

[Bob10]

Free

Yes, the early followers of Christ likely observed the Sabbath, but they are also known to have gathered on Sunday to worship God.

Acts 13:40-42 -----

Now, notice what happened.

The Jews left the synagogue, and only Gentiles remained. "And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath" (Vs. 42).

What an opportunity for Paul and his men!

Here were only Gentiles, asking the apostle to the Gentiles about coming together again for worship, and hearing the word of God preached, on the next Sabbath day!

All Paul had to do was to explain to them that they didn't need to wait a whole weekâ€â€they could come back the very next day, our Sunday, to celebrate the "Eucharistic sacrifice!" Did Paul do this?

Remember, Luke wrote these words about thirty years after Christ had ascended to heaven. There would have been plenty of time for the "custom" of "Christians meeting together on Sunday in commemoration of the resurrection" in those thirty years.

What happened? "And the next Sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God" (Vs. 44). These Gentile believers were not counseled to come back the next day.


Not one word was said about Gentile Christians observing Sunday as the day for worship. Instead, they all came together the following Sabbath day. Paul, the apostle to the Gentiles, was certainly not observing the first day of the week, nor was he teaching Gentile Christians to do so.

No, he continually taught them on the Sabbath days.

 

[Bob10]

It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever.....

Oh  then you admit it is binding FOREVER on ISRAELITES  and throughout their generations?

No one can deny that this absolutely BINDS the people of Israel to keep the Sabbath FOREVER, and throughout their generations perpetually. Their generations are still going on. Therefore IT IS BINDING ON THEM TODAY.

Also you have to admit that salvation and Christianity are OPEN TO JEWS AND ALL ISRAELITES. The Gospel is the power of God UNTO SALVATION to every one that believeth; TO THE JEW FIRST, and also to the Greek (Rom. 1:16).

So, then, the Jew can be a converted CHRISTIAN.

Indeed, the Church at the beginning was nearly altogether Jewish. So the JEW, even though a Christian, in God's CHURCH, is BOUND to keep God's Sabbath as a perpetual covenant, throughout his generations, FOREVER!

Now, does God have TWO KINDS of Christians? Is it SIN for a Jewish Christian to break the Sabbath, and sin for all others to KEEP IT? Must Jewish Christians assemble on the Sabbath, and those of other nationalities on Sunday? Didn't Jesus say a house divided would fall?

Are there TWO KINDS of Christians? Read Galatians 3:28-29:

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for you are ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS. And if you [you Gentiles] be Christ's, then are you Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."

So, since the Sabbath is BINDING TODAY on the Jewish part of God's Church, and there is no difference  we are all ONE in Christ  it is also binding on Gentiles.

http://bibletools.org//index.cfm/fuseac ... abbath.htm

 

[Restin]

God creates, God destroys...

In the NT book of Revelation -(14:7), John says he saw an angel (or messenger) saying, “with a loud voice, ‘Fear God and give glory to him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of water. ’ â€Â

Now there is only one commandment, which tells us - and indeed was given to remind us - who created the heavens, the earth, and the sea, and the fountains of water.

That commandment is the seventh day Sabbath of the fourth commandment, “Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy....for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea...†(Exodus 20: 8-11).

“For by Him [Jesus] were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth….all things were created by Him and for Him [Jesus]†(Colossians 1: 16).

“....by whom also He made the worlds†(Hebrews 1:2).

Even in the New Testament Church, the God of creation is the one to worship, to fear and to honor (Rev 14:7).

The seventh day Sabbath is the Creator's day -- an honorable day to HONOR Him (Isaiah 58:13).

YES...It is interesting that some act like the day is more important than
the One who made the day -- But God knows how to deal with that! .....

What the Hands of God created in the beginning, He destroyes in the end.

• Ps 102:25 "Of old You founded the earth, And the heavens are the work of Your hands.
  26 " Even they will perish, but You endure; And all of them will wear out like a garment; Like clothing You will change them and they will be changed.
  27 "But You are the same, And Your years will not come to an end.
  [also in Hebrews 1:10-12]
  
  2 Peter 3:5 by the word of God the heavens existed long ago and the earth was formed out of water and by water,
  6 through which the world at that time was destroyed, being flooded with water.
  7 But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.
  
  Ps 8:3 When I consider Your heavens, the work of Your fingers, The moon and the stars, which You have ordained;
  4 What is man that You take thought of him, And the son of man that You care for him?
  
  Jer 18: 6 "Can I not, O house of Israel, deal with you as this potter does?" declares the LORD. "Behold, like the clay in the potter's hand, so are you in My hand, O house of Israel.
  
  NASU w/emphasis added

....Restin

 

[willow the wip]

Sabath was nailed to the cross.

The Lords day is every day.

If you think that the saturday is the sabbath and we should keep it.

Your nothing more then a bunch of heathens.

Hypocrites.

and Lawbrakers.

you enfersize that more then Jesus him self who do you really worship ?????????????????

 

[Bob10]

willow the wip

Sabath was nailed to the cross.

Our SINS were nailed to the cross (col. 2:13-14) in the person of JESUS ------- JESUS became sin -------------JESUS was nailed to the cross. The Law is still in-force!

Your nothing more then a bunch ..........Lawbrakers.

with your theory, if the law was nailed to the cross, there can NEVER BE LAWBREAKERS, there can never be sin in the world (1 Jn 1:10).

 

[willow the wip]

how do you expain iniquity when it stairs you in the face, and we dont follow a levitical law, we up hold the commandments of God, Jesus being the new law this is our litral sabath, dont be like the farasie (who they worship the Law) instaid worship Jesus.. 8-)

 

[catpaw]

SABBATH DAY

Can anyone explain about the different times in the bible when Jesus himself was put down and chatised for working, preaching, healing, etc on the sabbath day. If I remember correctly Jesus said it was ok to be doing that. Any day was a good day to do good!!! Is this the way it is or did I just read it from another book??? :o :crazyeyes: :smt017

In Christ,

CATPAW 8-)

 

[Bob10]

willow the wip,

(who they worship the Law) instaid worship Jesus..

I don't worship the law by keeping Sabbath (saturday) any more than you do by keeping Sunday.

I am just doing what Jesus said to do: "if you will enter into life, keep the commandmenst" (matt 19: 16-20 / Acts 16:30-31) ---- then Jesus went on to quote a few.

Paul kept the Sabbath with the Gentiles (Acts 13: 42-44) --- when he could have preached to them the very next day (Sunday). But instead, he waited a whole week till the next Sabbath rolled around. Pretty remarkable considering this was some 30 years after Jesus went back to heaven.

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catpaw

Jesus himself was put down and chatised for working, preaching, healing, etc on the sabbath day. If I remember correctly Jesus said it was ok to be doing that. Any day was a good day to do good!!!

absolutely correct. Jesus healed on the Sabbath, which the Pharisees thought was wrong -- they thought that was work. But Jesus told them that even they would pull one of their oxen out of a ditch on the Sabbath.

 

[Khristeeanos]

Here are a few verses and my comments:

Colossians 2:13-15
When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross. And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.

The Moasic Law was nailed to the cross.

1 Corinthians 9:21-23
To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God's law but am under Christ's law), so as to win those not having the law. To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all men so that by all possible means I might save some. I do all this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings.

We are under the Law of Christ, which is what He taught and observed. The Epistles contain the Law of Christ as well.

The Sabbath has no bearing on our lifes today.

 

[Bob10]

DIME ministries

colossians 2: 13-14

The Moasic Law was nailed to the cross.

NOT QUITE!

JESUS CHRIST was nailed to the cross along with all our sins that HE took upon Himself.


what was "nailed to the cross" were our trespasses - transgressions - sins in the person of Jesus Christ.

What was blotted out was "the handwriting of ordinances" (the record of DEBT), which was a "book" containing our sins -- Numbers 5:23.


What Paul is saying is that, by His death, Christ has wiped out the note of guilt or debt that we owed as a result of our sins  sins which resulted from our past way of life.

http://bibletools.org//index.cfm/fuseac ... 0406ra.htm

 

[Khristeeanos]

DIME ministries

colossians 2: 13-14

The Moasic Law was nailed to the cross.

NOT QUITE!

JESUS CHRIST was nailed to the cross along with all our sins that HE took upon Himself.


what was "nailed to the cross" were our trespasses - transgressions - sins in the person of Jesus Christ.

What was blotted out was "the handwriting of ordinances" (the record of DEBT), which was a "book" containing our sins -- Numbers 5:23.


What Paul is saying is that, by His death, Christ has wiped out the note of guilt or debt that we owed as a result of our sins  sins which resulted from our past way of life.

http://bibletools.org//index.cfm/fuseac ... 0406ra.htm

Here is what the Bible says;

having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross.

 

[Bob10]

Hello DIME ministries (you have a nice web site)

Colossians 2:13-14 has to do with Jesus forgiving us of our trespasses / sins.

verse 13 – “...having forgiven you all trespasses;â€Â
verse 14 – “Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances / record of debt....â€Â

These two italicized phrases are appositives; they are equivalent. Jesus forgave our trespasses; HE blotted out our 'record of debt'.

I know people use this verse in Colossians to say Jesus did away with the law; but it is not right to say that. What Jesus forgave and blotted out were our sins.


"having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us...." -- New American Standard Bible


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http://bible.crosswalk.com/ParallelBible/ -- in the 'search for' box, type in Colossians 2:14 and check out all the many different translations of this verse. It's fun. You can compare two different translations at a time.


COLOSSIANS 2:14

The New Living Translation -- He canceled the record that contained the charges against us. He took it and destroyed it by nailing it to Christ's cross.


GOD'S WORD -- He did this by erasing the charges that were brought against us by the written laws God had established. He took the charges away by nailing them to the cross.


The Message -- the slate wiped clean, that old arrest warrant canceled and nailed to Christ's Cross.


The Complete Jewish Bible -- He wiped away the bill of charges against us. Because of the regulations, it stood as a testimony against us; but he removed it by nailing it to the execution-stake.