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Wild Idea Time Again

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Ok so I was thinkin'...How much the Lord really loves us is just being pounded into mankind recently, right? It seems to me. He's not an angry God at all at heart. His love knows no bounds. He is Love. His love covers a multitude of sins. We get saved, and continue to sin. We repent and ask forgiveness and He continues to forgive us. And we live and learn. We learn to cling to the Lord. He continues to love us and to demonstrate it in our everyday lives. We have trials. We have tests. He doesn't put bad things upon us, He just uses the enemy's attacks to teach us things thereby turning bad things into good in the long run. (If we obey.) That in itself is demonstrating a whole lot of love in my mind. He promised that whatever suffering and tribulation that we endure on earth...what He has in store for us later, will be so good, that no one will be able to feel like they were slighted on earth in any way. He even waits on people to get old and about to die, and them, seeing their mortality many times turn to Him, turn to God. On their deathbed even. He still loves them so much, that He accepts them at that time. Sinful, fruitless life that they had. They will be saved. That is a lot of love.

That said...Scripture says, All has been given unto our Lord, Jesus and that He will lose none of what has been given to Him, for this is the Fathers will. (John 6:39, 10:28, 18:19...) and this got me to thinking. With a God like that, how can it be that anyone go to hell? I seriously doubt that all of mankind except for...(any) were given to Him, while others were not given to Him. Otherwise, wouldn't He be losing some? And that can not be. I am not saying that hell is not real and souls will not go there, but rather...maybe they can get out of hell some day, to be with the Lord also? Scripture speaks of a purifying fire, even for the children of God, so mayyybe...they get purified over time in hell (hotter fire than for the saved? Or something?)

He can't lose any. I am well aware of the terms in scripture like eternal hellfire and so forth like that...but I guess, if, it could be true what I ponder, then that could only mean that all of mankind does not fully understand what eternal means? I haven't did a word study on eternal, but I've always thought that it meant forever. But scripture also says, that it will all pass away and nevermore will there be any sin, evil or iniquity, right? So that sort of clouds the forever meaning of hell, wouldn't it?

So even if they first went to hell and were angry and rebellious towards God...eventually, the torment of hell fire would almost have to turn ones heart to being repentant? (enough is enough, I'm sorry I ever did those things...Lord God, please please save me...?)

and then He would not lose even one...

Told you it was a wild idea! I don't know of course, but still...:confused

Any huge holes in this speculation that I'm missing? (don't answer too fast).
 
God has a "love" priority...

Love does contain an element of Justice...but to say that it overrides love is a mischaracterization.

Holiness and love are the main things stressed about God...

God is Love
God is Holy

Never one without the other. They are not mutually exclusive. Difficult concept to grasp.
 
That is a good answer Brother. I don't exactly see that term used in my post, lol. You make a very good point.

What do you think? Would being in hell and tormented cause a souls heart to harden against God or cause a heart to turn remorseful?

I wonder.
 
That sounds similar to the belief of purgatory Edward. I can't recall a verse making it biblical. But God has only told us of things He wants us to know.
Some believe in the soul dying (eternal death) not eternal suffering. Others in eternal suffering. If eternal death were true there would be no chance of repenting to the lost.
Isn't there a verse somewhere that says nobody can travel from hell to heaven?
 
So even if they first went to hell and were angry and rebellious towards God...eventually, the torment of hell fire would almost have to turn ones heart to being repentant? (enough is enough, I'm sorry I ever did those things...Lord God, please please save me...?)

and then He would not lose even one...

Told you it was a wild idea! I don't know of course, but still...:confused

Any huge holes in this speculation that I'm missing? (don't answer too fast).
the answer is no second chance salvation
Luke 16
The rich man also died and was buried. 23 And being in torment in Hades, he looked up and saw Abraham a long way off, with Lazarus at his side. 24 ‘Father Abraham!’ he called out, ‘Have mercy on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this flame!’

25 “‘Son,’[f] Abraham said, ‘remember that during your life you received your good things, just as Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here, while you are in agony. 26 Besides all this, a great chasm has been fixed between us and you, so that those who want to pass over from here to you cannot; neither can those from there cross over to us.’

27 “‘Father,’ he said, ‘then I beg you to send him to my father’s house—28 because I have five brothers—to warn them, so they won’t also come to this place of torment.’

29 “But Abraham said, ‘They have Moses and the prophets; they should listen to them.’

30 “‘No, father Abraham,’ he said. ‘But if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’

31 “But he told him, ‘If they don’t listen to Moses and the prophets, they will not be persuaded if someone rises from the dead.’”
 
That is a good answer Brother. I don't exactly see that term used in my post, lol. You make a very good point.

What do you think? Would being in hell and tormented cause a souls heart to harden against God or cause a heart to turn remorseful?

I wonder.
once again there is no second chance of being saved after you die

The Great White Throne Judgment
11 Then I saw a great white throne and one seated on it. Earth and heaven fled from his presence, and no place was found for them. 12 I also saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life, and the dead were judged according to their works by what was written in the books. 13 Then the sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them; each one was judged according to their works. 14 Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.[d] 15 And anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.
 
God gives to Jesus those He knows will come to Him and by faith endure until the end. Those He will not lose. Scripture speaks many times about the sheep on His right side and the goats on His left. Even the wheat being separated from the tares. The sheep/wheat will have eternal life with the Father and the goats/tares will be cast into the lake of fire.

Eternal does mean forever and when judgement is finished and the new Jerusalem ushered down there will be no more iniquity found in the new heaven or earth as all things will be made new again as then evil man, sin man and iniquity man that have rejected Jesus will have all been cast into the lake of fire and remembered no more. Once Jesus returns there are no second chances for those who have died and those who are still alive at is coming.
 
God gives to Jesus those He knows will come to Him and by faith endure until the end. Those He will not lose. Scripture speaks many times about the sheep on His right side and the goats on His left. Even the wheat being separated from the tares. The sheep/wheat will have eternal life with the Father and the goats/tares will be cast into the lake of fire.

Eternal does mean forever and when judgement is finished and the new Jerusalem ushered down there will be no more iniquity found in the new heaven or earth as all things will be made new again as then evil man, sin man and iniquity man that have rejected Jesus will have all been cast into the lake of fire and remembered no more. Once Jesus returns there are no second chances for those who have died and those who are still alive at is coming.

The hole I see in this...(please keep in mind that I am not saying my speculation is truth or anything of the sort. I posted it light hearted, because things maybe some things appear to not add up...)

Like what you said. Wouldn't the scriptures that say, God is not willing that any should perish...He died for all people...disagree with what you were saying?
 
God is not willing that any should perish...He died for all people..
there is no hole
yes died for all very much scripture the death on the cross was a payment for our sins the whosoever will shall . no he is not willing. your not willing your kids go trough hard times. you done every thing you could teaching providing .the rest is up to them the choice they make. God made a away we either accept or reject while on earth . when we die there is NO 2nd chance at being saved ..i showed you luke 16 did you read it. ???
 
The hole I see in this...(please keep in mind that I am not saying my speculation is truth or anything of the sort. I posted it light hearted, because things maybe some things appear to not add up...)

Like what you said. Wouldn't the scriptures that say, God is not willing that any should perish...He died for all people...disagree with what you were saying?

No, it doesn't disagree as God is not willing that any should perish, but many will remain ignorant of Him as the scoffers will walk after their own lusts and never come to Him. Jesus died for our sin so all who will repent and believe come to that faith which is Christ Jesus and in him and through Him we have eternal life. Grace is for everyone who hears God calling them to His salvation, but many are ignorant of it as they have hardened their hearts and have not ears to hear.
 
No, it doesn't disagree as God is not willing that any should perish, but many will remain ignorant of Him as the scoffers will walk after their own lusts and never come to Him. Jesus died for our sin so all who will repent and believe come to that faith which is Christ Jesus and in him and through Him we have eternal life. Grace is for everyone who hears God calling them to His salvation, but many are ignorant of it as they have hardened their hearts and have not ears to hear.

That does make a lot of sense. Plus I think's sort of an unwritten law for God to be holy that He holds Him self to...
 
there is no hole
yes died for all very much scripture the death on the cross was a payment for our sins the whosoever will shall . no he is not willing. your not willing your kids go trough hard times. you done every thing you could teaching providing .the rest is up to them the choice they make. God made a away we either accept or reject while on earth . when we die there is NO 2nd chance at being saved ..i showed you luke 16 did you read it. ???

Yes I read it. The first part of the chapter was as pertinant as the part you posted.

It seems like a dumb idea now, lol :screwloose2
 
That does make a lot of sense. Plus I think's sort of an unwritten law for God to be holy that He holds Him self to...

1 Peter 1:15 But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; 16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.
 
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