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Will God Judge America?
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jasoncran
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so we just float in space? jesus didn't say he wasn't to be glorified? hmm he ate, he had flesh to see. what was wound that Thomas touched?
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Yes, my comment meant exactly that. How else could it be interpreted? That we just float into space. Why the need to state the obvious?
jasoncran
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theres a bodily resurrection. the body we have isn't evil its accursed. was Jesus' body a curse? he had the same body we do. he ate, he died, he bled. he arose. he however has no blood in the new body. but he does have one.he got hungry. he also got cold, and warm. the body is cursed by death but the body itself is going to be restored something that god knows. its not the greek idea of a evil flesh(gnosticsm) and blessed spirit. the bible doesn't teach that.
Gary
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^This. We will have glorified bodies, just as Christ did and does. There is no reason to think otherwise.
Gary
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What will it look like?
Probably much like it does now. The disciples seem to have never thought Jesus looked different.
jasoncran
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the flesh of adam was evil before the fall? what is the idea of redemption? to restore and get back was lost, taken or given by deciept to another.Where is this stated in scripture?
for the whole creation cries out for redemption. why would the earth and the heavens cry out for its own death?
Gary
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If that's the case, why does John say our physical appearance after the resurrection hasn't been revealed yet?
1 John 3
2 Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.
Gary
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So why would that automatically mean we would be disembodied spirits, something not mentioned anywhere in Scripture? Jesus was transfigured and then was physically raised as the first fruit of those who will be raised. He then ascended into heaven with that same glorified physical body. We have no reason, and no biblical basis, to think that he is not now as he was when he ascended.
All of that leads me to believe that what John is talking about may not be the state of our existence but rather something else.
jasoncran
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I cant in honestly say that he isn't in any body form in heaven. god is god and need not have to have body and he is a spirit and can take a form and not loose his nature. I don't know. but I do know that we have body that will not die nor be a spirit. if there was no sin. why would there be the need for children? adam and eve were told after the fall to multiply.yet is says neither are those in marriage given nor taken. thus no procreation.
And there it is. We can't be certain any which way.
Gary
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The context of that verse refers to something visual. Read the verse slowly and look at what is said between each comma.
1 John 3
2 Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.
Gary
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Scripture. Book, chapter and verse.
What else is a resurrection than the physical being raised, just as Christ was?
1 Cor 15:35-48, 35 But someone will ask, "How are the dead raised? With what kind of body do they come?" 36 You foolish person! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies. 37 And what you sow is not the body that is to be, but a bare kernel, perhaps of wheat or of some other grain. 38 But God gives it a body as he has chosen, and to each kind of seed its own body. 39 For not all flesh is the same, but there is one kind for humans, another for animals, another for birds, and another for fish. 40 There are heavenly bodies and earthly bodies, but the glory of the heavenly is of one kind, and the glory of the earthly is of another. 41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for star differs from star in glory. 42 So is it with the resurrection of the dead. What is sown is perishable; what is raised is imperishable. 43 It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised in power. 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45 Thus it is written, "The first man Adam became a living being"; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit.46 But it is not the spiritual that is first but the natural, and then the spiritual. 47 The first man was from the earth, a man of dust; the second man is from heaven. 48 As was the man of dust, so also are those who are of the dust, and as is the man of heaven, so also are those who are of heaven.49 Just as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the man of heaven. (ESV)
jasoncran
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what exactly is new heaven and new earth? is the earth a spiritual place? and if so then what about the heaven is that some spiritual place that god created?
the sun and moon will shall before me forever. a spiritual sun and moon?