Will We Go To Heaven As Soon As We Die?

[DiscipleDave]

Yes, I know about the impending judgements even for Christians. But, again as it says in the OP (ORIGINAL POST) (which we are supposed to keep on topic with or start our own new thread) those judgements come later. The OP is just saying that they understand scripture to say that at bodily death they immediately go to heaven. Nothing more need be concerned here, as I understand it. Evidence for or against the OP's simple position you and others also have done well to address, I would say. You are just making it more complicated and confusing than necessary. Thank you.

Greetings,
i went back to the first post and the very first part of it said this

Will We Go To Heaven As Soon As We Die?

Will We Go To Heaven As Soon As We Die?

By Billy Graham, Tribune Media Services

Q: Do you think we will go to heaven as soon as we die, or do we have to wait until the end of the world, when God will reunite our souls and bodies? I've always wondered about this. -- Mrs. M.K.

A: My own study of the Bible has convinced me that when a believer dies, he or she goes immediately into God's presence in heaven. As he looked forward to heaven's joys, the Apostle Paul put it this way: "We are confident, I say, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord" (2 Corinthians 5:8).

To this, i have been posting all my responses. i believe i have answered the Question presented to me above Q: Do you think we will go to heaven as soon as we die.

Also have given reasons for why i believe the way that i do, that a person does not go to Heaven at the time of death, because it is not Judgement Day.

i do appoligize if i have offended you in some way, but i really feel that i have not gone off topic from the OP as you say that i have. Maybe you believe that i have, hopefully with this post you will understand what i have been replying too, and that is the very first question presented to poster in the OP.

Hope this helps

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[DiscipleDave]

The main thing to keep in mind when quoting Scripture is to give the version being quoted, unless it is in the public domain, as per the TOS:

2.8: All Bible verses and passages must be referenced (NASB, NIV, etc.) unless it is public domain like the KJV, YLT, etc.

Info on copyrights here:

http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/

Greetings,
and thank you for the information. Question though, you say above that all Bible verses and passages must be referenced unless it is public domain like the KJV. If then all i ever use (and use no other) is the KJV then i do not have to reference the Scriptures i use? if this is indeed True, please let me know, because of a Truth, all Scriptures i quote come from the KJV.

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[Free]

Greetings,
and thank you for the information. Question though, you say above that all Bible verses and passages must be referenced unless it is public domain like the KJV. If then all i ever use (and use no other) is the KJV then i do not have to reference the Scriptures i use? if this is indeed True, please let me know, because of a Truth, all Scriptures i quote come from the KJV.

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If you quote the KJV, then you don't have to say it is KJV. Where there is a copyright it becomes a legal issue but since the KJV is public domain, there is no issue.

 

[DiscipleDave]

DD,

I was refrerring to your #18 post where you said, "There is no scriptures that teach when a person dies, they immediately go to Heaven or immediately go to Hell. NONE. If there is, please reveal the Scriptures which teach this doctrine. If the doctrine (Once you die,you are JUDGED and then go to Heaven or to Hell) does not come from Scriptures, then where does it come from?

See how you added "you are JUDGED" into the OP's "doctrine" or position?

That is to which I was referring.

Sorry, but i do not see how i was adding anything to the OP's doctrine or position, i was talking about the doctrine that is being taught today that when a person dies they immediately go to Heaven or to Hell, that is the doctrine i was referring to, What doctrine or position the author of the OP is, i know not. i am merely answering the OP first question, and stating that there is a doctrine that teaches once you die, you immediately go to Heaven or to Hell, therefore having to be Judged at the time of death to determine where a person will go. How can i be adding to the OP's doctrine, or position when i don't even know what the OP doctrine or position is, nor what the author believes concerning this topic.
i think there has been some misunderstanding here, all i have done, in every post is try to answer the first question presented to me in the OP. Which asks if i think a person goes to Heaven at the time of death, i gave my answer to the best of my ability, then proceeded to explain my answer that i had given.
Is that not what we are to do, when a post asks a question? This is what i have been doing, and it appears that i am doing it wrong in some way. If this is so, i would like to know what i am doing wrong, so that i may correct it, and not do it in the future on other posts. But so far, i can't see how i have done anything amiss. my ignorance may be preventing me from seeing it, but i don't see it. i do appoligize to anyone if i have caused offence through said ignorance, it was not my intentions. i think maybe it was all just a misunderstanding, and we can move on.

love you Christian brothers and sisters, can't wait to see you in the Rapture.

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[DiscipleDave]

If you quote the KJV, then you don't have to say it is KJV. Where there is a copyright it becomes a legal issue but since the KJV is public domain, there is no issue.

Thank you so much for getting back with me on this, it really helps to know what i am allowed to do and what i am not allowed to do.

i am a member of many different Christian forums, and it seems some are very quick to ban people for minor infractions. Such as this one forum i was banned from. i sent two posts with email in my signature, They sent me a warning to stop doing this. i did not get their message until after i had posted my third and forth time. after my fourth post on that forum, i read the warning, and took it off my signature, but by then it was too late, because they warned me, and yet i posted AFTER they sent me the warning. i tried to no avail to explain to them, as soon as i received the warning i changed my signature, but they would not hear it, they continued to say, you posted even after the warning. Another i was banned from, even though there ToS said they will always give a warning before they ban someone, because i disagreed with the administrator. Banned, no warning, no nothing.
So i try to find out what is accepted and what is not accepted, so as to not get banned for stupid reasons.

Anyway thanks for getting back with me. God Bless you and yours.

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[Carolyn]

:eeeekkk hello , for be absent in body is to be present with the lord.

yes theres a ressurection but for the believer that cost has been paid and we wont face that judgement. we will die but not face the judgment seat of christ(white throne)

AMEN!
2 Cor 5:8

 

[Man-After-God]

DD, why would Jesus say

Luke 23:43
And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.

Wouldn't Jesus own words contradict your statement, that when "Christians" die physically they are in God's presence? Why would Jesus tell the thief on the cross that "today" (that very day) he would be with Him in Paradise?

 

[Free]

DD, why would Jesus say



Wouldn't Jesus own words contradict your statement, that when "Christians" die physically they are in God's presence? Why would Jesus tell the thief on the cross that "today" (that very day) he would be with Him in Paradise?

I'm pretty sure that "Paradise" to the Jews was different than "heaven" to the Christians.

 

[Carolyn]

Christians are martyred on a regular basis in places like Indonesia. I remember a pastor whose best friend and fellow pastor was pulled out of his car and beheaded in front of his family in Indonesia during the previous week. He kept repeating that he had to forgive them because without love, his ministry would be worthless. But he was so full of grief.... Throughout the centuries believers have given their lives for Christ's sake.
Seventh Day Adventists believe in soul sleeping as well as does the Christian Advent Church. Most churches do not believe this.
Then there are pre-trib, mid-trib and post trib beliefs. I agree with Billy Graham that Christians are caught up when Christ appears for His Church prior to the Great Tibulation. Others believe it might occur in the middle of the tribulation after 3 1/2 years. Many believe that we are in the millinium now and Christ will take us out some time around the time that He comes back with His saints and destroys the work of the antichrist, which is a little confusing because it seems to skip the marriage feast of the Lamb which takes place in Heaven prior to this.

So yes, I believe that we do go to heaven as soon as we die, and so we shall always be with the Lord. This issue had been debated for centuries. At the end of Daniel (chap.12:9) they talked about the book of prophecy being sealed until the time of the end. More people are understanding this book than ever before. It also speaks of at that time your people shall be delivered, everyone who is found written in the book. And many of the dead shall awake, some to everlasting life and some to everlasting shame and contempt. He is speaking of the Jews who have come through the tribulation, I believe. NKJV is my reference.

 

[Man-After-God]

I'm pretty sure that "Paradise" to the Jews was different than "heaven" to the Christians.

Not to get off topic, but what do you suggest this Paradise is Free? Also why do you say only the Jews go there?

Just something I am wondering.....

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

Yes.

 

[DiscipleDave]

DD, Click on "Forums" tab in upper left. Very first selection is notifications. Click on that and we are supposed to be familiar with all of this. "Rules" for users are under heading "Terms of Service" and "Statement of Faith" has some. Hope this helps.

Thank you for letting me know this, but as i have said before, i make sure to try to know what we are allowed and what we are not allowed, so i ALWAYS read the ToS and the Rules of any board i participate in. earlier i was accused of not abiding in by the ToS by not stating the version i am using when quoting Scriptures. i was then informed if it is KJV that i did not have to quote version when quoting Scriptures, to this i was thanking the poster for getting back with me and letting me know that it was OK to not quote version when quoting KJV Scriptures.
Thank you for trying to let me know this, but that is something that i ALWAYS do. When it says click here if you have read and agree, i make sure that i have read and agree before i click there.

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[DiscipleDave]

DD, why would Jesus say
Wouldn't Jesus own words contradict your statement, that when "Christians" die physically they are in God's presence? Why would Jesus tell the thief on the cross that "today" (that very day) he would be with Him in Paradise?

Jesus own Words said that He would be in the heart of the Earth for three days and three nights, correct? If Jesus when He was crucified did do as He said He would do and be in the heart of the Earth for three days and three nights, He could not very well have went to Heaven the same day He was crucified. He either lied about going to Paradise the same day He was crucified, or He lied about being in the heart of the Earth for three days and three nights. GOD FORBID HE DID NOT LIE!! We know that Jesus did not go to Paradise the same day He was crucified, and when He was risen from the dead, He told Mary to touch Him not, for He had not yet ascended to His Father, not yet gone to Heaven, this is three days after He was crucified. Jesus did not lie, would you believe the error lies in a comma? The comma which was added when the KJV was being translated was merely put in the wrong location. Mind you, the interpretation was accurate, only the comma was misplaced.

Comma in wrong place:

Verily I say unto you, Today thou shalt be with me in Paradise.

Comma put where it should have been:

Verily I say unto you today, Thou shalt be with me in Paradise.

We know full well that Jesus DID NOT GO TO PARADISE the same day He was crucified, therefore He did not say that He would take the thief to Paradise that same day, because we know that is not what took place. Now man messing up, and putting the comma in the wrong place, that makes more since, and by putting the comma where it should have been placed, changes the sentence to be a True statement.

Many people, who doubt the Bible and its Truths, are real quick to point out this contradiction in the Word of God, to validate their position that the Bible is inaccurate.

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[Man-After-God]

Not to get off topic, but what do you suggest this Paradise is Free? Also why do you say only the Jews go there?

Just something I am wondering.....

I messed up, I meant to ask Free my question. Not to ask if heaven is free:eeeekkk:eeeekkk

 

[jasoncran]

paradise as in abrahams boosom is a jewish concept. god judges jews and sent them there and torment to await the final judgement.

 

[Man-After-God]

paradise as in abrahams boosom is a jewish concept. god judges jews and sent them there and torment to await the final judgement.

What about the story of the rich man and Lazarus? The Rich man wasn't sent to Paradise....

Luke 16:19-26

<sup class="versenum">19 </sup>There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:
<sup class="versenum">20 </sup>And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
<sup class="versenum">21 </sup>And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
<sup class="versenum">22 </sup>And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
<sup class="versenum">23 </sup>And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
<sup class="versenum">24 </sup>And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
<sup class="versenum">25 </sup>But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
<sup class="versenum">26 </sup>And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

This is very interesting, and I am just trying to learn....:help

 

[farouk]

Paul confirms: 'having a desire to depart and to be with Christ, which is far better' (Philippians 1.23).

 

[DiscipleDave]

What about the story of the rich man and Lazarus? The Rich man wasn't sent to Paradise....

Luke 16:19-26


This is very interesting, and I am just trying to learn....:help

The STORY of the rich man and Lazarus,is just that, a STORY, it is one of many Parables that Jesus gave to give a lesson. There are many parables before, the parable of the rich man and Lazarus, and there are many parables after, the parable of the rich man and Lazarus. the Story is right in the middle of all the Parables that Jesus was teaching, the reason for that is, because it also was a parable.

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[DiscipleDave]

Paul confirms: 'having a desire to depart and to be with Christ, which is far better' (Philippians 1.23).

i also desire to depart from this life and to be with the Lord, This does not mean that when i die, i am immediately going to Heaven, this is only stating that i would RATHER die, and be with the Lord.

i know that when a True Christian dies or is killed, they will sleep until Judgement Day,which is the day that determines where a person is going to live eternity. When i die, i will sleep until Christ comes and gets me, and i will rise before the living, for the dead shall rise first as does Scriptures teach. But of a Truth, i also would rather depart this life, to be absent from this corruptible body, so that i may be with the Lord. However just because i said that, and beleive that, does not mean i will go to be with Him immediately after i am dead, just merely saying that i would rather be with Jesus right now, then to be alive.

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[icee]

The STORY of the rich man and Lazarus,is just that, a STORY, it is one of many Parables that Jesus gave to give a lesson. There are many parables before, the parable of the rich man and Lazarus, and there are many parables after, the parable of the rich man and Lazarus. the Story is right in the middle of all the Parables that Jesus was teaching, the reason for that is, because it also was a parable.

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So those stories were not based in truth? When starting that segment about the rich man he didn't start bh saying "suppose there was a rich man"...he said there WAS a rich man. I'm of the belief that we go to hades which according to that passage is separated into two places. Jesus said Lazarus was carried by the angels there. In the old testament it is said that when a person dies they will be gathered to their ancestors. This passage seems to be an accurate representation of what happens when a person dies.

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