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Windows 10...to upgrade or to not Upgrade...discuss

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Apparently, anyone with either version 7 or 8(including 8.1) will be able to upgrade to 10 for free starting on the 29th of July for up to a year.

Thoughts?

I currently have a desktop running 7 and a laptop running 8.1 and am considering getting both on the same level, as it were. I know there are some vehement dislikers here of Windows in general, but for the most part I really don't have too much to complain about. Sure it is prone to crashing, but as long as you don't download anything you don't trust you should be fine.
 
I've not had a lot of trouble with windows, although I admit if it weren't for the difficulties I would encounter with my flight sim programs I would be experimenting with the non-Microsoft OSes just because I don't like Microsoft's extortion techniques.

But as for upgrading, my policy has always been if my OS is doing what I want it to do, I don't upgrade. What I've found is that most of the time the new OSes don't really do anything much "new" that really benefits me at all. Usually it's just a lot of gee wiz bells and whistles that I don't really need or use once the novelty wears off. On the down side, they like to change everything around so I have to learn all over again how to make the computer do the same thing that I already knew how to make it do with the old OS. Sometimes I never do get it to do what I need it to do.

I kept using Win 98 until the guy that builds my computers finally told me he didn't even have a copy of Win 98 left anymore for me, and the best he could do was Win XP. XP worked great, and I kept it until finally my flight sim programs got to advanced for a 32 bit system, and I had to go to a better custom built computer with Win 7 64 bit to make them run properly. If not for my flight sim hobby, I'd probably still be using Win 98! There's little else I can think of that I do now that Win 98 couldn't do just as well. I've used Win 8 on another computer extensively, and tried out Win 10 too. I only see disadvantages and no advantages to either.
 
I guess the only real upside for me at this point is to have both computers at the same level. It is a little annoying having to remember where certain things are between the two different operating systems.
 
I guess the only real upside for me at this point is to have both computers at the same level. It is a little annoying having to remember where certain things are between the two different operating systems.
That is an advantage. It makes networking the two of them easier too. I'll stick with my Win 7!
 
Win 10 will have the latest security features. I would upgrade on any machine that is used for banking.

Otherwise, its strictly a personal preference.
 
Unfortunately, I was not able find a related article, but I did hear recently that even though upgrading to Windows 10 is free for current 8.1 and 7 users, they will actually be charging for the updates. I knew there had to be some sort of catch this "free" version of windows. Well, this certainly has made my decision on upgrading easy.
 
Unfortunately, I was not able find a related article, but I did hear recently that even though upgrading to Windows 10 is free for current 8.1 and 7 users, they will actually be charging for the updates. I knew there had to be some sort of catch this "free" version of windows. Well, this certainly has made my decision on upgrading easy.
Funny you mention this. I was just talking about win10 with the guy that builds my computers and he said the same thing. He's usually very much in the loop on all this stuff very early on because he's a fanatic about it since it's essential to his career as a computer technician. If he was to say things like this to his clients (especially his corporate clients) and turn out to be wrong very often, he wouldn't have a career for long. But he's been doing this for at least a couple of decades now.
 
Unfortunately, I was not able find a related article, but I did hear recently that even though upgrading to Windows 10 is free for current 8.1 and 7 users, they will actually be charging for the updates. I knew there had to be some sort of catch this "free" version of windows. Well, this certainly has made my decision on upgrading easy.
So how would that work? If they tried to force those who receive the updates to purchase after the fact, the law suits would be endless. Is there any proof of this beyond persons' opinions?
 
My computer guy doesn't rely on the internet for his info, in fact, he disdains most of us who do!!! (Yeah, he's an arrogant little cuss, but he knows his stuff!) Although I haven't and won't dare ask him to prove it (you don't insult someone who considers you a friend and therefore gives you free service...), he claims he gets his info directly from Microsoft, if not from his own experience. Now he didn't say anything about Microsoft forcing anyone to pay for updates. Just that they would be available if someone wanted to purchase them. But at some time in the near future all those monthly (or more often) automatic updates we've all been getting all along will be a thing of the past. Once you install Win10, whatever updates the version you happen to have at the time of installation will be all you ever have unless you pay them more money for the more current updates.

Now, I suppose if those updates aren't all that important, you might not really need them. But how will the average user ever know which ones are important and which ones aren't? And even if we could make that decision, will MS allow us to pick and choose, or will the updates be designed that each one is dependent on the one before it so that if some time in the future you want the features of one particular update, you will have to purchase all the prior updates in order to get the one you want? I don't put it past MS for one second to do something like this. It's already done a lot by a lot of software companies. And this wouldn't even be an underhanded tactic that they could pull off in a way that coudln't be known or proven to force people to buy updates. I wouldn't put it past MS to pull underhanded stuff too. And even if someone finds out, how many people have the money to pay for powerful enough lawyers to win a case against the likes of Microsoft's legal team? Most or all people will just decide it's best to not pick that battle and just go ahead and pay for the updates, and MS wins another one.

Or dump MS altogether.

Were it not for my flight sim hobby that just has too much software that needs widows to work properly, I would love to experiment with some of the alternative OS's. Maybe some day I'll pick up a cheap used computer to convert to Linux and try it out. Might be fun.
 
So how would that work? If they tried to force those who receive the updates to purchase after the fact, the law suits would be endless. Is there any proof of this beyond persons' opinions?
I am guessing that when an update comes available you will get an alert and an option to purchase.
 
The only thing we have that qualifies is an little mini laptop currently using Windows 7 that gives us some trouble freezing. I don't know if the problem is OS, application, or hardware but I've tried everything I can think of to get rid of the problem. When I was offered the option to upgrade I figured why not? The offer claims that it will download the program after July 29 over Windows Update and then I will be informed when it is ready. I guess we'll see what happens. I suppose they can get away with it if the download is free but installation and activation is not.
 
I have a upgrade offer for windows 10 right now.
They say put your order in now for an automatic update on July 29.
The cost; Free instead of $119.
Then it says it is not a trial and that internet access fees may apply.
What does that mean?
 
If I remember what I was told correctly, the download as well as the installation and activation will be free. Can't say firsthand though because it's not something I have any reason to do so I probably didn't pay as much attention to those kind of details as I would have otherwise. But I do remember being told that it was MS's new tactic to make their profit off Win10 by charging for updates rather than for the OS itself.

I've used Win10 already. My computer guy has had a preview version of it installed on one of his computers for a few months now. I house sit for him when he's out of town (a lot) so I've played around with it on his computer. To be honest, I don't see any significant difference from Win8. I didn't see anything at all that would make me want to upgrade to it unless it was for a reason of fixing an existing problem such as you mention with your laptop.
 
I have a upgrade offer for windows 10 right now.
They say put your order in now for an automatic update on July 29.
The cost; Free instead of $119.
Then it says it is not a trial and that internet access fees may apply.
What does that mean?
That means it's a full working version of Win10 that won't expire after some amount of time like most of that "trial" software you get in a new computer from a store. The comment about internet fees applying is just letting you know that if you have access where you pay be the minute or by the byte, you will still have to pay for this even though the program itself is free. This doesn't apply to most people living in this century in America, but it still applies in a lot of other places in the world and it can be a significant cost for those people.
 
That means it's a full working version of Win10 that won't expire after some amount of time like most of that "trial" software you get in a new computer from a store. The comment about internet fees applying is just letting you know that if you have access where you pay be the minute or by the byte, you will still have to pay for this even though the program itself is free. This doesn't apply to most people living in this century in America, but it still applies in a lot of other places in the world and it can be a significant cost for those people.
Thank you.
 
I'll be updating my Win 7 PC and Win 8.1 tablet, which I am using this very moment. I actually like 8.1 but I've only used it on this tablet. It really does seem like it is meant for mobile devices and not PCs. But if I had the money right now, I would switch to Apple.

I do hate new installs though and the stress of hoping I backed everything up.
 
I'm going with the free upgrade. Just hoping it doesn't turn my laptop into an ad spam machine. I've worked hard to keep all that junkware off my computer.
 
I'm going with the free upgrade. Just hoping it doesn't turn my laptop into an ad spam machine. I've worked hard to keep all that junkware off my computer.

Just remember once you install Windows 10 your locked in.. every Windows OS up until 10 gave you the freedom to choose another OS to run along side of it, not so with 10, no longer will you be able to boot into say Linux..

Just a thought

*edit: forgot to add: that's what i heard through the grapevine..
 
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i should have included this in my post..

The news sounds ominous for open-source aficionados: Windows 10 PCs are going to be locked down even tighter than ever before.

Manufacturers will be able enable UEFI Secure Boot without giving you a manual kill switch, as they have to do with Windows 8 systems. If that happens, you’ll only be able to boot Microsoft-approved operating systems on these locked-down PCs. Microsoft is turning the Secure Boot screws tighter, and Linux users are right to be concerned—but the issue is more complicated (and probably less disastrous) than it seems at first blush.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2901...-boot-screws-where-does-that-leave-linux.html

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