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In 2012, I graduated with a master’s degree. I had worked for a while when I was in school in a minimum wage housekeeping job. I hoped to find something better after graduating.


Well, it is now 2017 and I have not found anything better. I now work in a miserable food service job. I have huge student loan debt too. In the years from 2012 to 2017, I have applied to many different jobs. I generally did not aim super high. Many of the jobs I applied to were office jobs, like the one I had right before I went to grad school. However, I applied to various other jobs too. I have gone to job preparation classes, have gotten help getting interview outfits, practicing interviewing skills, etc. Everyone has had a different idea about what format I should use for my resume, and I have at one point tried to follow all of their suggestions. I even moved to a different city about two years ago that I’d heard is supposed to have a better economy and more jobs. I have prayed about the situation almost daily. But none of that has worked.


Sometimes in the past, before I ever did that grad degree, I got a job because someone I knew put in good words for me, basically “pulled strings” for me. I began to wonder if that could happen again. I even prayed for God to bring someone in my life who has the means and the desire to do that. I was also hoping for help with housing, since it is hard to make ends meet on a food service job. Truthfully, I was hoping someone from church would offer me a neat deal, such as letting me rent a spare room or basement in their home for a reduced rate.


About a year ago, I met “Kim” (not her real name) at a church I was visiting. She offered to help me with getting a job and seemed confident that it would work out. I started going to her church regularly, I admit, in large part because I thought it was an answer to prayer. I thought it was God’s way of finally getting me help. Kim has young grandkids who live in another city, so she is at a very different point in life than I am. (I have not even had a first boyfriend yet. No, I’m not that young, but I’m very inexperienced for my age.) Most of the people in Kim’s church are much older people.


Since I started going to Kim’s church, she has on three occasions met up with me so we could talk and so she could hand me a few job ads. Coincidentally, the first time around, the job ads were almost all for jobs I had already applied to. The next couple of times, she gave me job ads for food service jobs other low-paying jobs. We have been e-mailing each other regularly, and I have tried to explain to her time and time again that I’m looking for a better job, that I have huge student loan debt, etc. It often seemed she did not understand. She gave me some other suggestions, some of which was for things I had already tried. The other things she suggested I tried, but they also did not work.


At some point, she did ask around the church to see if anyone would hire me (since there are some business owners in the church), or if anyone knew someone who is hiring, but no one was. She also asked around about a room someone might be renting, but nothing was available. On two occasions, she gave me a small gift.


I appreciate her efforts. It was nice that she wanted to help. But I have begun to feel that, since a year has passed and it has gone nowhere, maybe we have exhausted most possibilities. It has also been frustrating, because in most of our interactions, I feel as if I’m trying to explain my situation to her, and it seems she did not really understand. “Maybe you could apply at the school district for a janitorial position,” she recommended not too long ago. That would keep me at the poverty level, and with a graduate education, I just don’t feel up to that.


I have felt a bit obligated to continue going to her church, but no friendships have developed there. I always sit there alone. There are two different service times, and I do not always go to the same service as Kim. However, she has at times “checked up” on me to make sure I’m going to her church. (The times I didn’t go, I visited another church.)


It has begun to feel a bit burdensome, also, to have to keep her updated on details of my life. I’m not totally comfortable doing that. It feels as if I’m not getting any help from her and her church, but as if it just obligates me.


I wonder how I could tactfully back off without upsetting Kim, and without burning bridges. Does anyone have any ideas, any suggestions? Does it even seem appropriate for me at this point to try to back off?
 
A) Go to work as at a high end temp agency
B) Start going to a new church (you owe Kim no explanations of your time or actions)
C) Be gracious and thankful always it seems Kim was just trying to be of assistance

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In 2012, I graduated with a master’s degree. I had worked for a while when I was in school in a minimum wage housekeeping job. I hoped to find something better after graduating.


Well, it is now 2017 and I have not found anything better. I now work in a miserable food service job. I have huge student loan debt too. In the years from 2012 to 2017, I have applied to many different jobs. I generally did not aim super high. Many of the jobs I applied to were office jobs, like the one I had right before I went to grad school. However, I applied to various other jobs too. I have gone to job preparation classes, have gotten help getting interview outfits, practicing interviewing skills, etc. Everyone has had a different idea about what format I should use for my resume, and I have at one point tried to follow all of their suggestions. I even moved to a different city about two years ago that I’d heard is supposed to have a better economy and more jobs. I have prayed about the situation almost daily. But none of that has worked.


Sometimes in the past, before I ever did that grad degree, I got a job because someone I knew put in good words for me, basically “pulled strings” for me. I began to wonder if that could happen again. I even prayed for God to bring someone in my life who has the means and the desire to do that. I was also hoping for help with housing, since it is hard to make ends meet on a food service job. Truthfully, I was hoping someone from church would offer me a neat deal, such as letting me rent a spare room or basement in their home for a reduced rate.


About a year ago, I met “Kim” (not her real name) at a church I was visiting. She offered to help me with getting a job and seemed confident that it would work out. I started going to her church regularly, I admit, in large part because I thought it was an answer to prayer. I thought it was God’s way of finally getting me help. Kim has young grandkids who live in another city, so she is at a very different point in life than I am. (I have not even had a first boyfriend yet. No, I’m not that young, but I’m very inexperienced for my age.) Most of the people in Kim’s church are much older people.


Since I started going to Kim’s church, she has on three occasions met up with me so we could talk and so she could hand me a few job ads. Coincidentally, the first time around, the job ads were almost all for jobs I had already applied to. The next couple of times, she gave me job ads for food service jobs other low-paying jobs. We have been e-mailing each other regularly, and I have tried to explain to her time and time again that I’m looking for a better job, that I have huge student loan debt, etc. It often seemed she did not understand. She gave me some other suggestions, some of which was for things I had already tried. The other things she suggested I tried, but they also did not work.


At some point, she did ask around the church to see if anyone would hire me (since there are some business owners in the church), or if anyone knew someone who is hiring, but no one was. She also asked around about a room someone might be renting, but nothing was available. On two occasions, she gave me a small gift.


I appreciate her efforts. It was nice that she wanted to help. But I have begun to feel that, since a year has passed and it has gone nowhere, maybe we have exhausted most possibilities. It has also been frustrating, because in most of our interactions, I feel as if I’m trying to explain my situation to her, and it seems she did not really understand. “Maybe you could apply at the school district for a janitorial position,” she recommended not too long ago. That would keep me at the poverty level, and with a graduate education, I just don’t feel up to that.


I have felt a bit obligated to continue going to her church, but no friendships have developed there. I always sit there alone. There are two different service times, and I do not always go to the same service as Kim. However, she has at times “checked up” on me to make sure I’m going to her church. (The times I didn’t go, I visited another church.)


It has begun to feel a bit burdensome, also, to have to keep her updated on details of my life. I’m not totally comfortable doing that. It feels as if I’m not getting any help from her and her church, but as if it just obligates me.


I wonder how I could tactfully back off without upsetting Kim, and without burning bridges. Does anyone have any ideas, any suggestions? Does it even seem appropriate for me at this point to try to back off?
Yes, but you are the only one who can decide what to do.
 
“Maybe you could apply at the school district for a janitorial position,”
Dear Shelly, I'm sorry I haven't seen this thread before this, but it sounds as though you've been through the wringer so to speak. I have no idea the location you're at, but where I'm from someone starting off in a school position of any sort opens opportunity to apply for future openings more in line with your education. That same criterion is applicable in any government capacity I've worked at. I'll sure be praying for your future employment. It's good to have you here in Jesus' name
:wave2.
 
I think going to work at a temp agency is a good idea.
Also, if you were going to apply at a school district, I wouldn't reccomend janitorial, and then expect to be recognized for higher level position. How bout Instructional Assistant for special needs? Or teacher substitute, or teaching position? Some areas are in dire need of teachers that you can start while getting your credential.
 
I think going to work at a temp agency is a good idea.
Also, if you were going to apply at a school district, I wouldn't reccomend janitorial, and then expect to be recognized for higher level position. How bout Instructional Assistant for special needs? Or teacher substitute, or teaching position? Some areas are in dire need of teachers that you can start while getting your credential.
I know people who have done such programs. They liked it. Special Ed is especially needy.
 
If you have set your heart on a osition, it is just like the military. Stop shooting for that position and take a position below your target with a firm that has the position you want and work your way into it.
 
I know people who have done such programs. They liked it. Special Ed is especially needy.
Hi PZ

Special Ed is not for everyone.
Anyone can decide to be a teacher and put their mind to it and something will come out.
Some will make good teachers and some will make bad teachers, but they can get through.

Special Ed is indeed special. Not everyone has the patience for it or the temperment for it.
And if they turn out badly, like our teacher up there, the person whom they are attending will suffer much harm.

I wouldn't put Special Ed Teacher on a list of Things I Could Do.
It's really a ministry.
 
Special Ed is indeed special. Not everyone has the patience for it or the temperment for it.
And if they turn out badly, like our teacher up there, the person whom they are attending will suffer much harm.

Agreed it takes special people to serve these special children. Said person may be surprised at their passion for the field. I don't think they should be discouraged from considering the option.
 
Hi PZ

Special Ed is not for everyone.
Anyone can decide to be a teacher and put their mind to it and something will come out.
Some will make good teachers and some will make bad teachers, but they can get through.

Special Ed is indeed special. Not everyone has the patience for it or the temperment for it.
And if they turn out badly, like our teacher up there, the person whom they are attending will suffer much harm.

I wouldn't put Special Ed Teacher on a list of Things I Could Do.
It's really a ministry.

hello wondering, dirtfarmer here

I agree that teaching children with disabilities takes a certain type of person. It truly take patience to be in a room filled with kids in wheelchairs or that scream without cause almost all day, or that can't use the bathroom except in the diapers they wear. It is no fun changing a diaper on a 14 year old that is screaming in your ear or that have tic's that are uncontrollable. Then you have those that feeding tubes. It is not " a day in the park"

They, the handicapped are humans with needs, just need a little more caring for.

If you don't have "a calling" it is best to stay with regular education and that is no "walk in the park" either.
 
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In 2012, I graduated with a master’s degree. I had worked for a while when I was in school in a minimum wage housekeeping job. I hoped to find something better after graduating.


Well, it is now 2017 and I have not found anything better. I now work in a miserable food service job. I have huge student loan debt too. In the years from 2012 to 2017, I have applied to many different jobs. I generally did not aim super high. Many of the jobs I applied to were office jobs, like the one I had right before I went to grad school. However, I applied to various other jobs too. I have gone to job preparation classes, have gotten help getting interview outfits, practicing interviewing skills, etc. Everyone has had a different idea about what format I should use for my resume, and I have at one point tried to follow all of their suggestions. I even moved to a different city about two years ago that I’d heard is supposed to have a better economy and more jobs. I have prayed about the situation almost daily. But none of that has worked.


Sometimes in the past, before I ever did that grad degree, I got a job because someone I knew put in good words for me, basically “pulled strings” for me. I began to wonder if that could happen again. I even prayed for God to bring someone in my life who has the means and the desire to do that. I was also hoping for help with housing, since it is hard to make ends meet on a food service job. Truthfully, I was hoping someone from church would offer me a neat deal, such as letting me rent a spare room or basement in their home for a reduced rate.


About a year ago, I met “Kim” (not her real name) at a church I was visiting. She offered to help me with getting a job and seemed confident that it would work out. I started going to her church regularly, I admit, in large part because I thought it was an answer to prayer. I thought it was God’s way of finally getting me help. Kim has young grandkids who live in another city, so she is at a very different point in life than I am. (I have not even had a first boyfriend yet. No, I’m not that young, but I’m very inexperienced for my age.) Most of the people in Kim’s church are much older people.


Since I started going to Kim’s church, she has on three occasions met up with me so we could talk and so she could hand me a few job ads. Coincidentally, the first time around, the job ads were almost all for jobs I had already applied to. The next couple of times, she gave me job ads for food service jobs other low-paying jobs. We have been e-mailing each other regularly, and I have tried to explain to her time and time again that I’m looking for a better job, that I have huge student loan debt, etc. It often seemed she did not understand. She gave me some other suggestions, some of which was for things I had already tried. The other things she suggested I tried, but they also did not work.


At some point, she did ask around the church to see if anyone would hire me (since there are some business owners in the church), or if anyone knew someone who is hiring, but no one was. She also asked around about a room someone might be renting, but nothing was available. On two occasions, she gave me a small gift.


I appreciate her efforts. It was nice that she wanted to help. But I have begun to feel that, since a year has passed and it has gone nowhere, maybe we have exhausted most possibilities. It has also been frustrating, because in most of our interactions, I feel as if I’m trying to explain my situation to her, and it seems she did not really understand. “Maybe you could apply at the school district for a janitorial position,” she recommended not too long ago. That would keep me at the poverty level, and with a graduate education, I just don’t feel up to that.


I have felt a bit obligated to continue going to her church, but no friendships have developed there. I always sit there alone. There are two different service times, and I do not always go to the same service as Kim. However, she has at times “checked up” on me to make sure I’m going to her church. (The times I didn’t go, I visited another church.)


It has begun to feel a bit burdensome, also, to have to keep her updated on details of my life. I’m not totally comfortable doing that. It feels as if I’m not getting any help from her and her church, but as if it just obligates me.


I wonder how I could tactfully back off without upsetting Kim, and without burning bridges. Does anyone have any ideas, any suggestions? Does it even seem appropriate for me at this point to try to back off?
Hello,

My humble opinion is to first ask God what He desires from you. He knows our hearts and I believe He will answer your request. Have faith He will and continue to hold onto that faith. Seek His kingdom first, make Him your priority and God will stay true to His word. May God show you His purpose for your life and grant all grace sufficient to fulfil it.
 
hello wondering, dirtfarmer here

I agree that teaching children with disabilities takes a certain type of person. It truly take patience to be in a room filled with kids in wheelchairs or that scream without cause almost all day, or that can't use the bathroom except in the diapers they wear. It is no fun changing a diaper on a 14 year old that is screaming in your ear or that have tic's that are uncontrollable. Then you have those that feeding tubes. It is not " a day in the park"

They, the handicapped are humans with needs, just need a little more caring for.

If you don't have "a calling" it is best to stay with regular education and that is no "walk in the park" either.
If you don't have "a calling" it is best to stay with regular education and that is no "walk in the park" either.

I had No calling. But I tried it and I fell in love with many many beautiful children. BGut I suppose I have to remember what a unique and special person I am, and that just because I was great with them doesn't mean just anyone is, but I never suspected I would love the job. So I think until you do it, you won't know. But if you are not a particularly compassionate person, and a sensitive person, you won't be great for the kids. Unfortunately I worked with MANY who should have just worked at a Walmart or with non special needs teenagers, to match their own mentality. But the school district didn't really care. The admins there for the money and prestigue. I was very disillusioned with some of the teachers and many of the instructional assistants there. There barely could even keep the kids safe. They were all about each other. The kids were a nusiance to them. Sure they pretended to love them, or maybe in their way they did. Not all though. I would never want to leave my child with MOST of the people that worked there! I could barely put up with their bullying of me! Cuz I was different than them. Alot of family and friends worked there. It was all about them. I put up with the bullying to stand by the kids. When I left the classroom and stopped by to visit, it was back to a room full of crying and screaming kids. Very sad. They don't cry for NO REASON like you say. Most just don't pay enough attention to observe what they are triggered by.
 
But again, I think you are wrong to discourage others. It takes a special kind of person, yes, but not someone who has a specific calling. You may think you have a calling and stink at it. You may not think you have a calling and love it, like I did.
 
I had No calling. But I tried it and I fell in love with many many beautiful children. BGut I suppose I have to remember what a unique and special person I am, and that just because I was great with them doesn't mean just anyone is, but I never suspected I would love the job. So I think until you do it, you won't know. But if you are not a particularly compassionate person, and a sensitive person, you won't be great for the kids. Unfortunately I worked with MANY who should have just worked at a Walmart or with non special needs teenagers, to match their own mentality. But the school district didn't really care. The admins there for the money and prestigue. I was very disillusioned with some of the teachers and many of the instructional assistants there. There barely could even keep the kids safe. They were all about each other. The kids were a nusiance to them. Sure they pretended to love them, or maybe in their way they did. Not all though. I would never want to leave my child with MOST of the people that worked there! I could barely put up with their bullying of me! Cuz I was different than them. Alot of family and friends worked there. It was all about them. I put up with the bullying to stand by the kids. When I left the classroom and stopped by to visit, it was back to a room full of crying and screaming kids. Very sad. They don't cry for NO REASON like you say. Most just don't pay enough attention to observe what they are triggered by.
I have to agree with Dirtfarmer PRECISELY because of your post above.

It takes a lot of training to become a special ed teacher. You can't find out at the END of this process that you won't like it. The calling should come BEFORE the process.

Of course, life being what it is, one who had the calling could end up hating it and one who didn't could end up liking it; however, these are not the normal circumstances.

I'd say that your post says it all. Many do this as a job and it's the child who ends up paying for the person who does not do their work as a mission but as a job. This is NOT a normal job.

As to crying without a reason. Yes. Sometimes they cry without a reason, in the sense that WE CANNOT KNOW IT. Sometimes you can know what the trigger is and sometimes you can't and sometimes the trigger was not present and they cry anyway. This could make parents and relatives who love the child a little crazy, imagine what it could do to someone who is doing this as a "job"...
 
It appears the OP has abandoned her thread.....too bad, I was really curious what masters degree she had that would only get her an entry level job without advancement opprotunity.....
 
It appears the OP has abandoned her thread.....too bad, I was really curious what masters degree she had that would only get her an entry level job without advancement opprotunity.....
CWB
I'm sure you know that not everything depends on what degree you have.
There is other criteria at work...
 
CWB
I'm sure you know that not everything depends on what degree you have.
There is other criteria at work...
Very true but if a person spent the time, money and effort to get a degree it is kinda nice to work in that area. Even degrees require skill sets, the ability to perform tasks, reason, organize and analyze information. A masters in say psych requires different skills than say a masters in nursing or chemistry or archaeology or......you get the idea. If you know what degree a person has it gives you an idea of their skill set and where it might be transferrable to other employment. Now if you have a degree in say Neanderthal Art it will be more difficult to transfer those skills than say a degree in economics.
 
Very true but if a person spent the time, money and effort to get a degree it is kinda nice to work in that area. Even degrees require skill sets, the ability to perform tasks, reason, organize and analyze information. A masters in say psych requires different skills than say a masters in nursing or chemistry or archaeology or......you get the idea. If you know what degree a person has it gives you an idea of their skill set and where it might be transferrable to other employment. Now if you have a degree in say Neanderthal Art it will be more difficult to transfer those skills than say a degree in economics.
100% agreed. No argument possible.
BUT, is a degree ALL that is necessary to get a good job?
NO. That's all I'll say here. Other qualities are necessary...
Some people are very intelligent and know how to take tests well,
but don't have other things going for them.
 
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