Would you be in support of banning the Koran in the USA?

[Bilal]

Gary, i skimmed through that, thanks. But id rather not have to read endless chunks of text. Id rather hav a discussion with you and not some website.


http://www.barnabas.net/Barnabas Readers/alkadiGospel.htm

cut a long story short ===> even some "eminent Christian scholars who have dedicated their lives to their religious studies" have concluded that "it is not necessary for Christians to believe that Jesus (pbuh) is God, but only "His supreme agent" (his messenger) as taught by Muslims for 1400 years now and testified to by John 17:3 "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you hast sent."


So i pose my original qs:...i could find them out for myself, but id rather hear them here...

So God is the father? Father not in biological sense? In what sense? Father of Jesus m presuming?

Jesus the Son? Son of Mary...yes? Or son of God? In what way, son of God?

Holy Ghost? Uh huh? Whats that all about then?

Is the Trinity some fundamental part of Xianity? Is it a major belive of all Christians? Were exactly does Trinity stand in Christianity? Are all denominations totally in agreeance with the Trinity?

Is Jesus God? Is God God? Is that two Gods?

 

[Gary]

I have already explained it to you.
http://www.answering-islam.org/Gilchris ... chap2.html

 

[Bilal]

No u havent...u just gave a heap load or text to read...

So thats what ud do if a potential convert came to u asking some questions... :roll:

 

[DivineNames]

It is important also to point out to Muslims that although the mainline Roman Catholic, Protestant and Orthodox churches have differed on many subjects, they have never even remotely argued over the doctrine of the Trinity including its finer details. The reason is simply that the Church never created this doctrine, it discerned it from a study of the revelation of God in the holy scriptures. It is the only doctrine of God that can be formulated from an objective study of the books of the New Testament.

http://www.answering-islam.org/Gilchris ... chap2.html

Really? Isn't there disagreement about whether the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son or only the Father alone?

 

[Gary]

...u just gave a heap load or text to read...
So thats what ud do if a potential convert came to u asking some questions... :roll:

I would ask them if they know God. If they do, I would ask them "How do you know God?" "How has He revealed Himself to you?" I would ask them if they were really interested in knowing Jesus.... and the Good News.

Are you?

 

[Bilal]

...u just gave a heap load or text to read...
So thats what ud do if a potential convert came to u asking some questions... :roll:

I would ask them if they know God. If they do, I would ask them "How do you know God?" "How has He revealed Himself to you?" I would ask them if they were really interested in knowing Jesus.... and the Good News.

Are you?

Great, just throw google at him?!

Im asking u a very simple qs.....would be so kind as to answer my queries about Christianity? YES or NO? If not, ok then...ill leave you to answer DIVINENAMES...

 

[Gary]

...u just gave a heap load or text to read...
So thats what ud do if a potential convert came to u asking some questions... :roll:

I would ask them if they know God. If they do, I would ask them "How do you know God?" "How has He revealed Himself to you?" I would ask them if they were really interested in knowing Jesus.... and the Good News. Are you?

Great, just throw google at him?!

Nope. I have already told you what I would do.
I would ask the person:

• (1) Do you know God?
  (2) If you do know God, how do you know Him? How has He revealed Himself to you?
  (3) Are you really interested in knowing Jesus... and the Good News?

These questions also apply to YOU Bilal. Care to answer them?

 

[WMD]

This country was founded on religious freedom.

You can believe that Christianity is right and Islam is wrong, but that does not matter.

Once the government bans the Qu'ran the next thing you know is that they are banning the Bible.

After a while there is no religious freedom, in fact religion itself would be banned.

 

[Jay T]

With the knowledge that the true Christian posseses about the satanic inspiration of the Koran......

As well as the empirical evidence of suicidal bombers and other evil "fruits" of this false empire.....

Would you support a measure in this country to BAN the distribution, sales, as well as practice of the religion of Islam if you were the KING OF THE COUNTRY!

A true Christian would not want the minds of the sheep to be influenced by this demonic book.... this is quite clear when talking to any hardcore Baptist..... So really isnt it the GODLY thing to do in this country?

Censorship of the Koran......

Yes...

No....

Why??????

Our country was founded on the freedom of religion.

When one starts to decide which is right or wrong, and makes laws to determine which is right or wrong, there follows persecution.

The soon-coming Mark of the Beast is such a scenerio that will prohibit freedom of religion.
Herein will be the goverment, which will decide that one must follow the Laws of the state-religion in opposition to what God has said to do.

I am opposed to the Koran's teachings, but I will allow others to practice their religion, as Jesus Christ allowed the religious leaders of His day to teach a false religion.

As Christians, we can only reveal what the Bible really teaches, without forcing anyone to follow what the Bible says.

God ...NEVER...uses force, to save people !

 

[cheese]

Greetings

for those people who said they are willing to have the Koran banned, i would like you to consider the following:

1. Islam itself would not allow the banning of a groups religious book- they have the right to practise their own reilgion. what kind of image would you be making of christianity to the world if you oppressed a community and did not allow them to practise their religion, especially if the target was only muslims and not the people of other religions as well. It wont create a very good impression of christianity now would it?

2. Does chiristianity say anything about whether chiristians are allowed tp ban the holy text of other religions?

3. How would YOU feel if you lived in a non-christian country and found that they wanted to ban the bible?

Peace.

 

[Gary]

Cheese and deception

Greetings

for those people who said they are willing to have the Koran banned, i would like you to consider the following:

1. Islam itself would not allow the banning of a groups religious book- they have the right to practise their own reilgion. what kind of image would you be making of christianity to the world if you oppressed a community and did not allow them to practise their religion, especially if the target was only muslims and not the people of other religions as well. It wont create a very good impression of christianity now would it?

2. Does chiristianity say anything about whether chiristians are allowed tp ban the holy text of other religions?

3. How would YOU feel if you lived in a non-christian country and found that they wanted to ban the bible?

Peace.

Cheese, how thruthful are you being? Let us consider the rights of Zimmis (Christians and Jews alike)

According to Muslim jurists, the following legal ordinances must be enforced on Zimmis (Christians and Jews alike) who reside among Muslims:

1) Zimmis are not allowed to build new churches, temples, or synagogues. They are allowed to renovate old churches or houses of worship provided they do not allow to add any new construction. "Old churches" are those which existed prior to Islamic conquests and are included in a peace accord by Muslims. Construction of any church, temple, or synagogue in the Arab Peninsula (Saudi Arabia) is prohibited. It is the land of the Prophet and only Islam should prevail there. Yet, Muslims, if they wish, are permitted to demolish all non-Muslim houses of worship in any land they conquer.

2) Zimmis are not allowed to pray or read their sacred books out loud at home or in churches, lest Muslims hear their prayers.

3) Zimmis are not allowed to print their religious books or sell them in public places and markets. They are allowed to publish and sell them among their own people, in their churches and temples.

4) Zimmis are not allowed to install the cross on their houses or churches since it is a symbol of infidelity.

5) Zimmis are not permitted to broadcast or display their ceremonial religious rituals on radio or television or to use the media or to publish any picture of their religious ceremonies in newspaper and magazines.

6) Zimmis are not allowed to congregate in the streets during their religious festivals; rather, each must quietly make his way to his church or temple.

7) Zimmis are not allowed to join the army unless there is indispensable need for them in which case they are not allowed to assume leadership positions but are considered mercenaries.

:o :o

source

 

[GundamZero]

I can't believe option one even got twelve votes. What kind of Christians are one these forums?

 

[ArtGuy]

I can't believe option one even got twelve votes. What kind of Christians are one these forums?

Apparently the type who are insecure enough about their own faith to feel they need to outright ban anything that contradicts it.

 

[cheese]

Re: Cheese and deception

3) Zimmis are not allowed to print their religious books or sell them in public places and markets. They are allowed to publish and sell them among their own people, in their churches and temples.

Gary,

Firstly, please do not accuse me of not being truthful. Secondly, nothing in your post exposed who i had now been truthful, as my post did not contradict what you posted.

Did you notice that nowhere in the information you posted did it say that non-mulsims are not allowed to practise their religion in an islamic country. I quoted the above since you had bolded it yourself. Why did you not alos bold the part where is says that people of other religions are allowed to publish their books amingst themselves? How is this not allowing them to practise their religion?

I would assume that you wanted to draw attention to the obvious limitations placed on the extent to which the non-muslims can practise their religion in a muslim country. Well, I would like you to consider that it is against this forums rules to promote an religion other than chiristianity, simply because this is a christian forum. By analogy, an in an islamic country, one would expect that it be against the law that for members of other religions to promote their religion amongst the muslims. What kind of leader would not look out for the well far of the people, to ensure that they dont leave their religion? (Keeping in mind of course that Islam is taken by them to be the one true religion). Who would it be if the law allowed a situation to arise in which muslims could be convinced to leave their religion, when in Islam this is the biggest sin? From an Islamic perspective, the leaders would be doing a poor job at maintaining what is best for their society.

I would just like to add the the website you qouted from is most certainly not the best place to go for imformation about Islam, given that it is an anti-islamic website.

Peace

 

[Gary]

Exposing the Muslims... one at a time

Cheese, consider the summary and the questions below...

This study (-here-) shows us that non-Muslims are not regarded as citizens by any Islamic state, even if they are original natives of the land. To say otherwise is to conceal the truth. Justice and equality require that any Christian Pakistani, Melanesian, Turk, or Arab be treated as any other citizen of his own country. He deserves to enjoy the same privileges of citizenship regardless of religious affiliation. To claim that Islam is the true religion and to accuse other religions of infidelity is a social, religious and legal offense against the People of the Book.

Christians believe that their religion is the true religion of God and Islam is not. Does that mean that Great Britain, which is headed by a Queen, the head of the Anglican Church, should treat its Muslim subjects as a second class? Moreover, why do Muslims in the West enjoy all freedoms allotted to all citizens of these lands, while Muslim countries do not allow native Christians the same freedom? Muslims in the West build mosques, schools, and educational centers and have access to the media without any restriction. They publicly advertise their activities and are allowed to distribute their Islamic materials freely, while native Christians of any Islamic country are not allowed to do so. Why are Christians in the West allowed to embrace any religion they wish without persecution while a person who chooses to convert to another religion in any Islamic country, is considered an apostate and must be killed if he persists in his apostasy? These questions and others are left for readers to ponder.

So we can clearly see that you did NOT represent Islam and the restrictions which Islam imposes on non-Muslims.

I wonder why you hid these facts?

:o :o

 

[cheese]

What facts did i hide? i agreed with you and i attempted to shed some light on why it is so.

By the way, i dont think i will be taking that last post as the final word on this matter, since is has come from an anti-islamic website, and thus is naturally bias against Islam. I cant take it for granted that what you posted is true until i do my own research (which i cant do at the moment becuase i am in an exam period)

It doesnt make sense to draw comparisions with Islamic government and the west. Islam is complete, it has a government system based on the Quran and Sunnah. It is based on Islam, Islamic ideas, etc. It is based on a religion, to bring justice through Gods laws.

The west adopts this idea of democracy, it is NOT based on a religion, but secular ideas (although is is influenced by religion). Thats why in the west you cant discriminate based on religion, becauase its not a religious state, whereas in an Islamic nation, the country follows the laws of Islam, sent to us by God.

Someone mentioned that America is a christian country. Is this meant in the sense that most its residents are christian, or that the goverment follows a christian ideology?

Who does christianity approach establishment of a goverment?

 

[Gary]

The west adopts this idea of democracy, it is NOT based on a religion, but secular ideas (although is is influenced by religion). Thats why in the west you cant discriminate based on religion, becauase its not a religious state, whereas in an Islamic nation, the country follows the laws of Islam, sent to us by God.

Please show me which country you hold up as an ideal of Shia law being implemented. i.e. Which country/countries follows the closest to Islamic law?

Secondly, you have not established that Muhammad was a prophet nor that the Quran is the Word of God. Those are premises which you have not shown to be true. In fact, by his lifestyle, deeds and words we know that Muhammad was not a true prophet of God.

 

[cheese]

Please show me which country you hold up as an ideal of Shia law being implemented. i.e. Which country/countries follows the closest to Islamic law?

Secondly, you have not established that Muhammad was a prophet nor that the Quran is the Word of God. Those are premises which you have not shown to be true. In fact, by his lifestyle, deeds and words we know that Muhammad was not a true prophet of God.

Sadly enough, i do not know of any country that impliments Islamic law 100% complety, i guess saudi is partial but i really dont know.. many muslim countrys are ruled by people who dont really follow the religion as far as i can tell.

It doesnt matter whether or not you think that Islam is fake- what matters is that the muslims beleive it is real and so they will live by it in order to acheive paradise.

Why did you ignore my question about whether chrsitianity provides a goverment system?

 

[RichardE40K]

This is a christian nation, from day one it was a christian nation. While i myself welcome all walks of life and different faiths, the koran imho is the religion of SATAN himself. Just my opinion and remember, all things work for the glory of God!


http://www.carm.org/cut/islam.htm


PS- YES
PPS- Moderator, you do now :

Well yes America is a Christian nation, but not orginially. Only after the Indians had all been wiped out. And they were not Christians.

Hey I'm more worried about what I'm having for lunch then what other people practice. It's pretty much got the same roots as Chrsitianity, Comes from jewdaism and they just belive Mohammid was more important, while still beliving jesus was prophit. Anyway iv'e got muslim friends, one who is a very good man full of advice for how I should act, And I'm christian lol.

 

[cheese]

Well yes America is a Christian nation, but not orginially. Only after the Indians had all been wiped out. And they were not Christians.

Thank you.

But what is it about America that makes it a christian country? does the goverment apply christain laws and stuff?

and how can it be a christian country yet allow homosexual marriages in some places, and it wages wars (which i gather isnt allowed in christianity) etc. Is this just a sign of corruption, that they arent following the christian laws properly?