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Would you be in support of banning the Koran in the USA?

Would you be in support of banning the Koran in the USA?

  • 1. YES. God yes! We are at war with theses heathens and need to root out the ideologies of this fals

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With the knowledge that the true Christian posseses about the satanic inspiration of the Koran......

As well as the empirical evidence of suicidal bombers and other evil "fruits" of this false empire.....

Would you support a measure in this country to BAN the distribution, sales, as well as practice of the religion of Islam if you were the KING OF THE COUNTRY!

A true Christian would not want the minds of the sheep to be influenced by this demonic book.... this is quite clear when talking to any hardcore Baptist..... So really isnt it the GODLY thing to do in this country?

Censorship of the Koran......

Yes...

No....

Why??????
 
No. We Still allow evolution to be taught in school. If every book that was false was banned in the US, Harry Potter would be gone too. 8-)

Now seriously, if we banned the Koran, how then would Christian in the US learn to defend against it's falsities?
 
No. We Still allow evolution to be taught in school. If every book that was false was banned in the US, Harry Potter would be gone too.

So whats the problem with that?

Is this not what Jesus WILL do anyways??????

If we rid this kind of vermin from our own home soil we save more souls because their is no direct contact with heresy and apostasy!
 
Narrow, but interesting poll. :o

First we have James...

James 4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

then we have Paul...

Ephesians 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

I voted No. We are to fight it, not pass laws that prohibit it. That's the easy way out. :-?
 
I personally don't feel all Muslims are bad. What would help matters is that having leadership in this country that could intelligently disperse immigration policies.

But to address your question Soma, no I don't think the Koran should be banned here unless the Muslim population starts to become a problem obeying the laws of this land. The US has become a secularly based country, so it really makes no sense to pretend we're all Christians.
 
Soma-Sight said:
Is this not what Jesus WILL do anyways??????

If we rid this kind of vermin from our own home soil we save more souls because their is no direct contact with heresy and apostasy!
Soma, you should know this by now... think globally, act locally.

Spread the Truth first at home, then friends and neighbors. The Truth can spread like wildfire if the wind is blowing in the right direction. :wink:

Banning the Quran may be taken as a form of surpression. Tim is correct. We need the Book. We need to learn from it and use it to show what it is we don't believe about and in it.
 
Here is something that I found of interest.

Test case for Quran as hate speech
British Christians want sellers prosecuted
Posted: October 14, 2005
1:00 a.m. Eastern


© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com

An evangelical Christian activist group is warning it will attempt to use the British government's new racial and religious hatred law to prosecute for inciting religious hatred book stores selling the Quran.

Christian Voice, a group that earlier campaigned against the BBC's broadcasting of "Jerry Springer The Opera," was part of a demonstration against the bill outside parliament as the House of Lords held a second reading of the legislation.

Its director, Stephen Green, said the organization would consider taking out prosecutions against shops selling the Islamic holy book, the London Guardian reported. He said: "If the Quran is not hate speech, I don't know what is. We will report staff who sell it. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that unbelievers must be killed."

"It is not just Islam which is the problem," said the group's website. "If a preacher is explaining the horrors of Hinduism ... a charge of stirring up religious hatred would be almost inevitable. Preaching against sin in general, or adultery or homosexuality in particular, may also land a preacher in court."

During yesterday's debate, the former Archbishop of Canterbury, Lord Carey, said the law "threatens civil liberties".

"I am troubled by the bill before us and feel that rather than strengthening the social fabric of our society it would weaken it. It has the potential to drive a wedge between the Muslim community and the rest of us," he said.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/artic ... E_ID=46830
 
Soma, as I posted in your poll on the same issue in the Christianity and Other Religions forum.

I am against it.

It will serve no purpose and is a clear infringement on freedom of expression which is spelled out in the Constitution.

Such a law would backfire on Christians who would be foolish enough to support it.

Bad idea.
 
Lewis W said:
Here is something that I found of interest.

Test case for Quran as hate speech
British Christians want sellers prosecuted
Posted: October 14, 2005
1:00 a.m. Eastern


© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com

An evangelical Christian activist group is warning it will attempt to use the British government's new racial and religious hatred law to prosecute for inciting religious hatred book stores selling the Quran.

Christian Voice, a group that earlier campaigned against the BBC's broadcasting of "Jerry Springer The Opera," was part of a demonstration against the bill outside parliament as the House of Lords held a second reading of the legislation.

Its director, Stephen Green, said the organization would consider taking out prosecutions against shops selling the Islamic holy book, the London Guardian reported. He said: "If the Quran is not hate speech, I don't know what is. We will report staff who sell it. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that unbelievers must be killed."

"It is not just Islam which is the problem," said the group's website. "If a preacher is explaining the horrors of Hinduism ... a charge of stirring up religious hatred would be almost inevitable. Preaching against sin in general, or adultery or homosexuality in particular, may also land a preacher in court."

During yesterday's debate, the former Archbishop of Canterbury, Lord Carey, said the law "threatens civil liberties".

"I am troubled by the bill before us and feel that rather than strengthening the social fabric of our society it would weaken it. It has the potential to drive a wedge between the Muslim community and the rest of us," he said.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/artic ... E_ID=46830

the second christians attack another religion for that, the bible will be banned too, due to the fact that it discriminates against any other religion, threatens the lives of atheists and other believers, those that practice witchcraft. Women etc, and it makes references to god allowing and approving of slavery, sex slaves etc...
 
Lewis W said:
Its director, Stephen Green, said the organization would consider taking out prosecutions against shops selling the Islamic holy book, the London Guardian reported. He said: "If the Quran is not hate speech, I don't know what is. We will report staff who sell it. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that unbelievers must be killed."

I think the guy should read the Bible before saying stuff like this

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. 2 Chronicles 15:12-13

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." Deuteronomy 13:13-19

If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. Deuteronomy 13:7-12

There is more, but if the Quran is banned for hate speech, the Bible would surely follow.

Quath
 
The bible would be banned as "hate speech" and there have already been talk among some groups to do just that.

I am not going to take the all the time in this thread to educate people on the fact that Israel was unique and that it's laws were unique for Israel alone.

Psalms 147:19-20 He sheweth his word unto Jacob, his statutes and his judgments unto Israel. He hath not dealt so with any nation: and as for his judgments, they have not known them. Praise ye the LORD.

These laws are not applicable today in the sense that Christians have been authorized to kill idolators, stone Sodomites, fornicators or take over the world for God.

Luke 9:52 And sent messengers before his face: and they went, and entered into a village of the Samaritans, to make ready for him.

Luke 9:53 And they did not receive him, because his face was as though he would go to Jerusalem.


Luke 9:54 And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?

Luke 9:55 But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.

Luke 9:56 For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village.

I am not for banning the Koran.

Orthodox Christian wrote this in another forum and it sums up my position as well.

"The difference between Christianity in foundation is that we are not allowed (biblically) to make or keep converts by coersion.

That being said, we know that this has been done in the 'name' of Christ, sometimes on a very broad basis.

But that is unbiblical practice. No, Christianity has NOTHING to fear. Yet the Koran makes provision for killing proselytes and apostates. Carry a bible around publically in Saudi Arabia, or attempt to build a Church in Egypt.

Yet Muslims live and worship free in the West, just as they did in Byzantium- even as Muslim conquerors warred against Byzantium.

No, it is freedom of religion or irreligion that creates an environment conducive to authentic spirituality. We don't need less Korans, we (Christians) need more 'living letters' to accomplish our goal. Our goal? To make converts? No, to preach the gospel, and make disciples.

I would hand my own children a Koran translation, tell them to read it, and discern for themselves. They would be unfazed. So no, I would NEVER be in favor of censoring Islam."
 
bibleberean said:
I am not going to take the all the time in this thread to educate people on the fact that Israel was unique and that it's laws were unique for Israel alone.

Psalms 147:19-20 He sheweth his word unto Jacob, his statutes and his judgments unto Israel. He hath not dealt so with any nation: and as for his judgments, they have not known them. Praise ye the LORD.

These laws are not applicable today in the sense that Christians have been authorized to kill idolators, stone Sodomites, fornicators or take over the world for God....
Exactly Robert. Thanks.

Quath, there is no old covenent/new covenent in the Quran. What Mohammed instructed his people to do back then, is expected of them now.
 
The bible would be banned as "hate speech" and there have already been talk among some groups to do just that.

I am not going to take the all the time in this thread to educate people on the fact that Israel was unique and that it's laws were unique for Israel alone.

Psalms 147:19-20 He sheweth his word unto Jacob, his statutes and his judgments unto Israel. He hath not dealt so with any nation: and as for his judgments, they have not known them. Praise ye the LORD.
Good stuff, bibleberean
 
Vic said:
Quath, there is no old covenent/new covenent in the Quran. What Mohammed instructed his people to do back then, is expected of them now.
I agree and I understand your point. The problem is that people are very hazy on what is NT/OT. You can see that in the push for the 10 Commandments, which should be null and void as far as Christianity is concerned.

And then there are the people that read the Bible where Jesus say the laws are not gone and they are still there. So they may think the OT is still in effect.

Also, Muslims usually counter by saying that the Quran teaches people to get along and teaches peace. So they see the "kill the unbeliever" types of verses as misunderstandings of people outside their religion.

I am not defending Islam, I am just saying it is easy to show that what happens to Islam could easily happen to Christianity. If Quran gets banned, I am sure the Bible would be an inviting target for banning as well.

Quath
 
Quath said:
I agree and I understand your point. The problem is that people are very hazy on what is NT/OT. You can see that in the push for the 10 Commandments, which should be null and void as far as Christianity is concerned.

And then there are the people that read the Bible where Jesus say the laws are not gone and they are still there. So they may think the OT is still in effect. ...
Trust me, I understand your confusion. Not all Christians "null and void" commandments. So, whenever you see one Christian talking to another concerning the law, understand we are usually talking about the 10. There is nothing in God's 10 Commandments that tells us to be gone with all infidels, for instance. The first and fifth commandments were ratified by Jesus Himself when He said...

Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. (added by me: this also covers the first four commandments)
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. (added by me: this covers the last six commandments)
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
 
Even with a reading such as yours, what does it mean to follow the first 4 laws? It says I should love God with my heart, but what if I don't. What if I am atheist or Muslim? I am breaking the 10 commandments, so what should a Christian do?

This is where individual interpretation varies. Most Christians either ignore people that don't believe or try to pus their religion into the public sphere more.

However, some Christians could easily look to God's guidance and saw that God ordered death for people that violated the 10 commandments. Now that could get scary.

Christians in the past have interpreted it this way. Could they interpret this way again in the future?

I think Christians should support Muslims in having religious freedom. If they lose theirs, I am sure Christianity would not be far behind.

Quath
 
Atheistic communists murdered more than 40 million people in Russia under Stalin. Could it happen again? That is scary. :smt104

Most Atheists either ignore people that don't believe or try to put their beliefs into the public sphere more. :-?
 
Ok I have said this 2 times before on this forum. And that is. That there were 613 laws of Moses, now the Sacrificial laws are gone, because Jesus took them out of the way by becoming the sacrificial lamb. But them Moral laws still stand. You don't sleep with your sister, you don't rape, you don't cheat people out of their wages that they, worked for you for, you don't sleep with another man, if you are a man also. If you cause a man to lose his eye or something, pay that man. And the list goes on. So when people tell me, we don't have to go by the law anymore, I say that is not totaly true, we have the 10 commandments, and we have others that Christians today still should go by. One last instance, should 2 sisters make love or a mother and son. Need I say more, so the Moral laws still stand, I don't care what nobody says
And the ones I named are just a few of them, out of that 613, there are plenty more Moral laws in there.
 
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