Yahweh's Loving Instruction Thru The Torah.

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  1. th1b.taylor

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    First of all, neither I nor any other man, woman, nor child has found Jesus, He has found us to be His People. And then I was not accepted until I got off of the Broad Path and was seeking God. God gives to those that seek Him. (Proverbs 8:17)
     
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    It is not a theory of mine, simply what the scripture reads. Genesis 2. Not sure why you continue to exclude it. Does it not fit your doctrine?



    How can I reference your teacher as in error? He is your teacher. Only you would know if your teacher is in error, You would have to take it up with him. Now it seems to me I made no suggestion of anyone being in error. I only said you should ask your teacher about Gen 2. If the notion of error fills your heart, then it comes from your teacher. But from my experience, we tend to reject the notion that we ourselves are the one in error, and we do not listen to the instruction of our teacher and take them to heart. Often times our carnal nature blinds us to our own pride, and then we tend to project our own condemnation or guilt of error into others so the sting isn't so great. But then we don't learn that which was meant for ourselves. Instead, the subtly of the serpent causes us to accuse others of that which we ourselves have done.
     
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    So you are saying you have not yet found Jesus? Those are the words that you yourself wrote. If you have not found Jesus, why do you then presume to speak for him?
     
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    I think you misunderstand the brother.
    No one comes to Jesus unless the father calls them.
    The brother didn't find Jesus. God called him to Jesus. And Jesus' truth resonated with Taylor and that is how he knew , without knowing at first as is the case with all of us, that it is becuase God's grace knew him by name before Taylor even had one.
     
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    Stay straight and narrow to the Truth. Twisting Scripture is twisting the path off the narrow into the broad. They are like guide posts on the road which leads a person off the track. They are deceptive and stumbling blocks.

    The Spirit of Truth loves (rejoices) the Truth for that is where it originated from. It fills our heart with a "YES" and quenches us with Living Water. Twisted Scripture does not quench the heart, but empties it like a dry bone.
     
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    And, just, as is common with the unlearned, You have drawn out of it's natural context to allow a cheap shot. Thank you for the clear illustration of how to never read anything and your imputed meaning is a grossly accurate illustration of why I seek, always to teach people to keep it in context. Thank you for playing dumb as a rock.
     
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    He knew that but the spirit that drives him seeks to slander.
     
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    I cannot judge him so. I've read others here judged in such a manner while demonstrating as that judge they are what they proclaim is evident in that one they judge. :sad Where is our mercy? Where is our oneness in community as those in Christ?
     
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    How does that line up with Jeremiah 29:13 ?

    Seems to me the Holy Spirit draws us and we'll find Him.
     
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    The prophet Jeremiah's old testament letter was sent from Jerusalem to those exiled by Nebuchadnezzar to Babylon. And still, verse 13 supports what Jesus said in the new testament. That no one comes to him but the father, which is the holy spirit, calls them.
     
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    I would think His desire is that all be saved.
    Seek and find.
    Knock and the door will be opened.
     
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    How is someone compelled to seek?
    Notice something in virtually all of the pictures that are made to accompany those passages? [​IMG]
     
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    As I posted earlier: By the Holy Spirit.

    (I don't care about your photos, seems to be wasted space...)
     
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    Who are those who would need to seek?
     
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    You know the answer.
    No need to get into that. :)
     
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    Those are your words Bill. I did not twist them, nor did I take them out of some context. Maybe you should be more careful in the words that you choose. Words carry meaning. Now if you feel that I took your statement out of context, or that I didn't somehow understand your meaning, then being a Christian who is on the Straight and Narrow path; why did you not extend the same courtesy to me?

    Do I need to remind you of the scriptures? How you shall be judged in the manner that you judge others?


    I don't know about dumb as a rock, but do not mock the Lord, for out of those dumb stones he is able to raise up children unto Himself. Dumb stones resurrected in Christ and made part of the Temple.

    But this dumb old rock just doesn't seem to understand something. I really don't know what your uproar is all about, for you seem to be in agreement with me. I said you can not find Jesus on the narrow road, and you said "neither I nor any other man, woman, nor child has found Jesus".

    Anyone with a sense of reason could say we both said you can not find Jesus. No man can come to Christ except the Father first draw him. And Jesus said behold, I stand at the door and knock, and if any man should open the door, then I shall come in and sup with him.


    I don't know about you, but when He called to me, and when He did knock on my door, I was still very much on the broad way. In fact when He came to my door and knocked, I had left on vacation for a season or two; but when I had returned to mine own house, I found He had already broken in like a thief in the night. And while I was out, He cleaned out the place and began fixing it up, He even gathered up all the books that I had studied before and created for me a library.

    But when I had return to mine own house I was weary from my wanderings, and the thief caught me off guard. But I didn't throw the thief out, I was to tired to fight, and I liked what what He did with the place. It was less cluttered, very much simplified, yet more peaceful than I could have ever done for myself. I was gone and could not invite Him into sup when he knocked; But the Thief, why He had a banquet prepared for me, and I have lacked for nothing since. And since have I have sat down with the Thief in mine own house to sup with Him on the meal He as prepared for me, I have not needed to use my Library, as beautiful as He set it, but it is there when He wants to show me what is written.

    But unfortunately for some, when Jesus comes to the door and knocks, they are too embarrassed to answer to door. Their Lord stands at the door and knocks, but they know their own house is not as clean as they would profess to others; and while the Lord waits at the door, they find themselves trying to tidy up the place first.



    Thank you. I am in good company then. Because it was said of Jesus that He was driven by the spirit of Beelzebub.
     
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    By your own statement, you have declared the Scripture to be your guide, not Jesus: Not the Spirit of the Lord. You worry about the twisting of scriptures as if your idols could speak, and so you defend your idol vehemently, and call it blasphemy, because your idols can't defend themselves. They require you to defend them, because they can't speak. But if it could, it would tell you that Christ was made the Chief Stumbling Stone. The Lord also said that if you wanted to believe a lie, then He would send you strong delusion so that you would believe the lie. The Lord Himself is a Stumbling Block; Are you saying that the Lord is also deceptive? Well He did speak in parables!



    Twisted scripture or not. There is no scripture that can quench the heart. Only the Spirit of the Lord can quench the heart. It is the scriptures, it is the Law that empties it like a dry bone.


    For there is one who soars with eagles. A pastor of more than forty years wandering in the desert, acting like a carrier pigeon, delivering a message strapped to his thigh, but oblivious to the contents thereof. But this eagle still hungers and thirsts. For daily this eagle flies the same route like the dutiful carrier pigeon, looking for food and drink along the way. The eagle flies by the old testament in the morning but is not filled. In the afternoon, the eagle flies by the new testament, but again remains hungered for more. And being yet hungry for more, the eagle would fly by some devotionals looking for what nourishment he might devour. And yet eat as he may, the eagle was never filled. Searching daily and never coming into his rest, for the eagle was to prideful to come down and eat with the chicken of the pen. For this eagle was a carrier pigeon, and like a pigeon he scurried to and fro looking for the crumbs left behind the alter. But if this carrier pigeon could hear but one of the messages strapped to his thigh, this chicken would tell him that Jesus said he who come to me will never hunger nor thirst. If this pigeon could only understand but this one thing, then he would not spend his days acting like a pigeon scouring for food, but with a cup that runeth over, why he could be as an eagle with the everlasting gospel. But for now, the eagle is just a carrier pigeon carrying scraps.
     
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    Another example of how you twist things around.

    Every forum gets visited by false prophets, atheists, spiritual narcissists, and others who do satan's bidding without realizing it. They fear the very essence of faith, which is to be humble and meek, and willingness to be exposed and vulnerable of their false-self. Because of this, they cannot see their own truth. They end up convinced of their own twisted thinking as being superior logic.

    It becomes pointless to converse with someone who cannot see their own truth. So...
    Matthew 10:14 If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet.
     
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    Well let's see!


    2 Thes 2:10-12
    And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

    Isaiah 66:4
    I also will choose their delusions,
    and will bring their fears upon them;
    because when I called, none did answer;
    when I spake, they did not hear:
    but they did evil before mine eyes,
    and chose that in which I delighted not.


    1 Peter 2:6-8
    Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
    Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner, And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.

    Isaiah 8:13-15
    Sanctify the Lord of hosts himself;
    and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread.
    And he shall be for a sanctuary;
    but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel,
    for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.
    And many among them shall stumble, and fall, and be broken,
    and be snared, and be taken.


    Matthew 13:13-15
    Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive: For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

    Matthew 13:34-35
    All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them: That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.

    Ah, if you only knew the true essence of faith, you would not need your bible to quote verses But the righteousness that it of faith....

    Deut 30:11-14
    For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off. It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.

    Romans 10:5-8
    For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them. But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above; ) Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.) But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;


    Now if I were doing Satan's bidding, then I would be working to convince you to glory in the righteousness of the law. I would be posting daily in the Current Event and Politics forum trying to get the people to focus on the evils in the world instead of the Spirit of Christ. I would encourage them to speak out in judgement over other and issues of which they have no knowledge to make such judgement. If I were doing Satan's bidding then I would use their penchant for self righteousness and to authority of the law against them. I would would point out scriptures for them to use to accuse others of sin, and I then I would provide such justification that would allow such behavior. I would encourage others to join in with their condemnation, I would empower them with the knowledge to act as the accuser of the brethren, and I would encourage other to join in, because there is more comfort in numbers. When they see others doing it, I would encourage their boldness.

    If I were doing Satan's bidding, then my work would be done when you have been schooled enough in the knowledge of sin and evil so that you were able to climb up in the seat of Moses comfortably for yourself, so that you might sit in the temple of God, showing yourself that you are god.
     
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