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I took this as a non-answer. It was a switch. It went from "rights" to "defend ourselves".
The post where this started used the phrase 'biblical principle' IIRC, however the bible is supportive of either phrase. Actually we have a right to defend ourselves either as individuals or as a country. In the OT the right to defend your country was demonstrated numerous times as Israel fought to survive.....sometimes with God's help sometimes without it.
 
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The post where this started used the phrase 'biblical principle' IIRC, however the bible is supportive of either phrase. Actually we have a right to defend ourselves either as individuals or as a country. In the OT the right to defend your country was demonstrated numerous times as Israel fought to survive.....sometimes with God's help sometimes without it.
Like I said, you went from "having the same rights as British subjects" to "defending ourselves".
 

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Actually we have a right to defend ourselves either as individuals or as a country. In the OT the right to defend your country was demonstrated numerous times as Israel fought to survive.....sometimes with God's help sometimes without it.



You're right. It's written in the US constitution. The second amendment clearly states that we have the right to bear arms. However, just like everything thing else in the world, sadly that can be easily taken advantage of. We wouldn't need guns in the first place if we just treated each other the way that God wanted us to. The world would be a much better place if we could just treat other people the way we wanted to be treated.
 
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Yes it says that, no doubt. Weighed with 1 Peter 2:18, Ephesians 6:5 and Exodus 20:13...It can't be done with a gun. Even if the slave owner is harsh, you are still murdering if you kill him to be free. The examples of things such as the Civil War are not righteous to me. I see such things as great travesties and disobedience and not bastions of glory and goodness.
if the owner enslaved you by a gun - you can use a gun to get free - it's self defense

does that mean you go and shoot the owner to get free? - no - it means you use a gun to escape - and if you need to shoot at someone trying to shoot at you as you are escaping it is self defense

remember that in the ot there are those who sold themselves into slavery as a means to stay alive - so this is a different kind of slave than the ones taken against their will

submitting to masters and to government authorities is required - but paul said do not allow men make you as slave and Jesus said to take up a sword - so there is a bible truth for every type of situation - you just have to find out what the bible says about your specific situation
 
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if the owner enslaved you by a gun - you can use a gun to get free - it's self defense
And that's what I'm saying is your take that I don't see as biblical. I do understand it though it is not any rule I would go by.

submitting to masters and to government authorities is required - but paul said do not allow men make you as slave and Jesus said to take up a sword - so there is a bible truth for every type of situation - you just have to find out what the bible says about your specific situation
Which is why I used a term like slave. It has nothing in common with a colonist, yet both must obey.
 
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And that's what I'm saying is your take that I don't see as biblical. I do understand it though it is not any rule I would go by.

Which is why I used a term like slave. It has nothing in common with a colonist, yet both must obey.
i perhaps would have agreed with your pov at one time - but i see it differently now

we all have to live by our understanding of what pleases God - because we ultimately have to answer to Him for everything

i just thank God for our freedoms that others fought and died to provide for us in the past and in the future
 

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Guys no offense or anything but this is really getting rather ridiculous. Hasn't this gone on long enough? Can't we just learn to agree to disagree and move on? After all, I would be willing to bet that there are no politics in Heaven. Remember? That's the place where Jesus rules as king and absolutely everybody is happy about it.
 
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Guys no offense or anything but this is really getting rather ridiculous.
Of course it's ridiculous now. The only reason it's like that is because no actual scripture has been given for the excuse of armed rebellion because of not having the same rights as someone else when it was given as a response for a biblical justification. They only said the words and didn't point to the part in the Bible that supports the words they used. The words or idea aren't actually written in the Bible. Ever heard the term "going down swinging"? That's what is happening.
 

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Of course it's ridiculous now. The only reason it's like that is because no actual scripture has been given for the excuse of armed rebellion because of not having the same rights as someone else when it was given as a response for a biblical justification. They only said the words and didn't point to the part in the Bible that supports the words they used. The words or idea aren't actually written in the Bible. Ever heard the term "going down swinging"? That's what is happening.


No I really don't get all that but even a girl with learning disabilities knows that it doesn't really matter who are ruler is down here on earth. We all serve king Jesus and I really don't think He would be happy with us constantly going at each other's throats.
 
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i perhaps would have agreed with your pov at one time - but i see it differently now
I understand. My pov has changed over time as well.

we all have to live by our understanding of what pleases God - because we ultimately have to answer to Him for everything
Indeed. That's why I'm more interested in following what He says rather than what anyone else says.

i just thank God for our freedoms that others fought and died to provide for us in the past and in the future
I'd agree, even though I don't live in the same nation as you. Funny how we can have known those people, and yet the governments of the nations we live in constantly dishonour them all, in real time even.