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I think it depends. Sometimes God chooses to heal. Sometimes He wants gives us hardships as opportunities to learn and grow and taking the hardship away would take away the purpose of that. I begged God to take away my depression when I was dealing with that. But now that it's been over for a few years I'm grateful for that period of my life tbh. (Though it's more complicated than that because there's more to the story, but I won't get into it right now.) Because of it I became stronger and can empathize with others better.

I understand, I use to think that all my food was poisoned. Use to lay in bed at night worried that what I ate that day might be poisoned. It got to the point I would not eat anything unless someone else ate it first. I was depressed, and drank a lot.

Still, Jesus was tempted in all ways, yet without sin that He might succor those who are tempted. If He is inside of me, then I don't have to go on my own understanding of what tempted feels like or depression, but trust in his direction.

Does God really want to give us hardships? do we have scripture to back that up? Was Job given hardship, or did Job blow it somehow and gave the enemy place.

we have to be 100% on scripture to be effective. If we use mans idea's and not the scripture then we don't help much at all, right/?

Blessings to you.
 
It was always my understanding that God gave Satan permission to bother Job.

Job is a very hard (For some) book of the bible. All the other books of the bible, we see God do amazing things to route whole armies, feed tons of people with mana, split red seas that are in the way, so on. God was good to those that obeyed and served him.

Job though? Job served God, but lost everything, even had his kids murdered.

And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe and to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the LORD thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth: And all these blessings shall come on thee, and overtake thee, if thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God. Blessed shalt thou be in the city, and blessed shalt thou be in the field. Blessed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy ground, and the fruit of thy cattle, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep.
(Deu 28:1-4)

I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
(Deu 30:19)

God said, choose life, and choose to be blessed and your children live. Job's, not so much, He lost his children.

Was God just having a bad day in the book of Job? Woke up on the wrong side of the bed that morning? Satan catch God before he had his coffee?

Questdriven, God would not treat Job any different than anyone else. God does not change. Moses, we know beat a rock, when He was suppose to have a conversation with the rock. David, He had some guy killed after he slept with the mans wife. Samson got involved with some chick, and chopped his hair. It's pretty clear to us why Moses, David, and Samson had judgement and blew it.

Job is no different, we just need a revelation of something about the seriousness of what Job did. Once we understand that, it's pretty clear God did not give permission to the devil to get Job, but really had no choice as the devil already had a place. God won't violate his Word, and stop the devil for us. Elihu also tells us God had nothing to do with Job, and what Job did.

Be blessed.
 
Ignore context? Wow, your the one not listening.

100 fold now in this time. Houses, Lands..... that was the measure of wealth back then. you did not highlight that.

Was the Roman Empire not a Land? Is the entire European continent which was entirely Christian for quite some time not a Land? Is the Church in Ephesus not a House of God? Are the Churches in Corinth and Rome not Houses of God?

Peter killed?
Heb_11:35 Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:

No scripture for Peter being killed, I'll take your word on it, but I only teach from scriptures. Sola Scriptura.

There is scripture for Peter being killed, it was not a historical account of the event but a prophetic foretelling of it.

"Truly, truly, I say to you, when you were young, you used to dress yourself and walk wherever you wanted, but when you are old, you will stretch out your hands, and another will dress you and carry you where you do not want to go.” (This he said to show by what kind of death he was to glorify God.) And after saying this he said to him, “Follow me.”" - John 21:18-19 ESV

It's fine being sola scriptura, but you must also be correct in your interpretation because even Satan is sola scriptura.

"Then the devil took him to the holy city and set him on the pinnacle of the temple and said to him, “If you are the Son of God, throw yourself down, for it is written, “‘He will command his angels concerning you,’ and “‘On their hands they will bear you up, lest you strike your foot against a stone.’” Jesus said to him, “Again it is written, ‘You shall not put the Lord your God to the test.’”" - Matthew 4:5-7 ESV

And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith. But the Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep you from evil.
(2Th 3:2-3)

Paul believed something different from you when it comes to men coming to kill you. They ran their race, completed all God called them to do. Every single one of them died old and finished their course. Now if there is a better Resurrection, when I am done, sign me up also.

How is this different from what I believe? I agree with everything you have written here.

I saw something in you, but only the Lord is going to be able to overcome this religious doctrine you have.

I am only a sinful fallen human in need of a Savior, the only thing in me besides Sin is the Holy Spirit. You have doctrine as well, you hold fast to what you have written here so that is your religious doctrine.

by His stripes we are healed. By the blood, we have forgiveness of sin and his Resurrection, Death can not hold us.

You need to examine everything Jesus did on that cross, not just a part of it. It was far greater than what your giving credit for.

What could be greater than passing over the sins that we have committed and giving us full pardon so that we might live with Him in paradise? God is not a genie that is all I'm saying, if you're not healed, or you didn't get that promotion you wanted, or you don't have enough money to make ends meet even though you prayed about it, the answer isn't because you didn't have enough Faith. It is because God has something better in mind so that by this trial you might give courage to others and unbelievers can see your Faith through your trial and see how God gave you the strength to carry on.

Does God really want to give us hardships? do we have scripture to back that up? Was Job given hardship, or did Job blow it somehow and gave the enemy place.

Deuteronomy 8:2 ESV, James 5:11 ESV, (with James in mind, the entire book of Job), Revelation 2:10 ESV, Hebrews 11:17 ESV, Deuteronomy 13:3 ESV.

Go back and read my first post here Mike, I believe God can heal any disease but God is not a genie you whip out whenever you want so He'll grant your wish, that's moralistic therapeutic deism, God is not limited in his answers to prayers he can say "Yes", "No", and "Wait". God does do all the things you've said and he's done them in my life as well, I nearly died when I was 14 and caught a strange neurological condition, I lost my ability to hear for a month and lost 40 lbs. when I was too skinny to begin with, God saved me though, he guided my doctors to the cause and directed them to treat me, I was bedridden for 6 months and if I had gone on another week I would have died. Not as mystical as some healing experiences but God was the cause of my healing regardless. If I had died it would've meant my race was run and I would've been accepted into God's arms because at the time I had the same amount of Faith in Him as I do now, but my Faith was not hinged upon my being healed because I knew I would with Him if I had died.

"I am hard pressed between the two. My desire is to depart and be with Christ, for that is far better. But to remain in the flesh is more necessary on your account." - Philippians 1:23-24 ESV
 
How is this different from what I believe? I agree with everything you have written here.

I am only a sinful fallen human in need of a Savior, the only thing in me besides Sin is the Holy Spirit. You have doctrine as well, you hold fast to what you have written here so that is your religious doctrine.

What could be greater than passing over the sins that we have committed and giving us full pardon so that we might live with Him in paradise? God is not a genie that is all I'm saying, if you're not healed, or you didn't get that promotion you wanted, or you don't have enough money to make ends meet even though you prayed about it, the answer isn't because you didn't have enough Faith. It is because God has something better in mind so that by this trial you might give courage to others and unbelievers can see your Faith through your trial and see how God gave you the strength to carry on.



Deuteronomy 8:2 ESV, James 5:11 ESV, (with James in mind, the entire book of Job), Revelation 2:10 ESV, Hebrews 11:17 ESV, Deuteronomy 13:3 ESV.

Go back and read my first post here Mike, I believe God can heal any disease but God is not a genie you whip out whenever you want so He'll grant your wish, that's moralistic therapeutic deism, God is not limited in his answers to prayers he can say "Yes", "No", and "Wait". God does do all the things you've said and he's done them in my life as well, I nearly died when I was 14 and caught a strange neurological condition, I lost my ability to hear for a month and lost 40 lbs. when I was too skinny to begin with, God saved me though, he guided my doctors to the cause and directed them to treat me, I was bedridden for 6 months and if I had gone on another week I would have died. Not as mystical as some healing experiences but God was the cause of my healing regardless. If I had died it would've meant my race was run and I would've been accepted into God's arms because at the time I had the same amount of Faith in Him as I do now, but my Faith was not hinged upon my being healed because I knew I would with Him if I had died.

"I am hard pressed between the two. My desire is to depart and be with Christ, for that is far better. But to remain in the flesh is more necessary on your account." - Philippians 1:23-24 ESV

I thank the Lord He spared you as a child, amazing testimony and Never say it was not as "Mystical" How many times God spare us despite the plans of the enemy, and we don't even know about it? All it would take is for your doctors to make one small mistake, and you would be gone. Who keeps their hands steady, gives them wisdom, brings thoughts to do this and that for you? Just last week, a teen having her wisdom teeth taken out just died. That is what it looks like without God.

You agree with what I said, but something is in there way still. Let's chop through the differences with scripture. See where we end up.

Sola Scriptura, Let's see. I am more concerned about your future ministry, than trying to prove something here. I believe if you get a hold of some things, your going to do some amazing things with God. That just keeps coming to me, I don't know why, God see's lots of things I don't.

We will grab a scripture. Your a Minister, and you conduct services, you teach and preach. Now I'll add in something that happened to me, preaching at a church I was asked to preach at. The folks there believe like you do. God answers prayer, yes, no, maybe, who knows. They teach that as if there is a scripture that backs that up. There are none even close.
I promise the head Pastor not to do any hard faith things, speak in tongues, just fill in and teach God is amazing and good. That's it.

I will work with anyone, and respect them, and respect their belief.

I don't even remember what I spoke on that night. Must have sounded like Joel Osteen, God is good, and God is amazing. All true of course, as long as you don't make God to good or to amazing. You can't cross that line with these folks. Nobody there liked me much anyway, So i just taught as if they were not there staring at me with this dull look on their face.
The worse thing to do as a teacher is to be moved by facial expressions, or reaction. We don't know who received, and who is just shouting with everyone else. We follow the Holy Spirit, unchanging, not charging the crowd up if they start to get happy. We also never ask anyone how they liked the service. It can effect our pride, or get us down. That is a rookie mistake. If we preached what God said, threw away the notes if the Holy Spirit directs different, then we did as asked.

I never one time got through all my notes and it was off to something different. We are suppose to study though and prepare, but I questioned why sometimes. Come to find out things you prepare and don't use, come in hand later, sometimes much later.

Anyway.

So I try to keep in just under an hour. Them folks are use to exact times of coming to church and leaving church. You don't want to upset folks like that. I finish my amazing sermon on how great God is, whatever that was and you make a alter call at the end with this church. So i made the alter call.

I had a landslide of 1 young girl walk up to me. I guess everyone else was saved. Best to get folk saved that don't go to church anyway, more pickings that way.

I do the "you accept Jesus as Lord of your life" bit, not sure how I said it, she said yes, she started to cry and I am done!!! time to get the heck out of there.

However.....................................

She stood there in front of all those people glaring at me, and asked me real loud like. "Will God heal my Stomach?"

For me, it was like time stood still, you could hear a pin drop.

This girl just heard how good God was, she never been to church, she don't know a bunch of religious stuff that would make her question God's goodness. She did not even have enough sense to know you don't ask questions like that in the church I was at. It's not done that way, but nobody bothered to mention that to her.

My first thought was to say, I'll pray for you. "Lord, bless this child that just received you as Lord. We ask you Father that your will be done in her life concerning her stomach." bla, bla, bla, and bla. Then get the heck up out of there.

Mar 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues
They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
(Mar 16:18)

As soon as I thought to take the easy way out, this scripture came to mind blaring at me. It's only for folks that believe, and I happen to be one of them.

Will God heal my Stomach? As a minister, how ware we suppose to answer that?
 
I had a long post typed out, but I don't want to take a prayer request thread too far off topic.

Well, I doubt the guy making the prayer request remembers He posted this at this point. It also seems to be a battle to convince him or not to convince him God would heal him. I am sure you post was good, and the thread could be split off into another thread since this turned into a healing type thread.

blessings.
 
Mar 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues
They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover
.
(Mar 16:18)

As soon as I thought to take the easy way out, this scripture came to mind blaring at me. It's only for folks that believe, and I happen to be one of them.

Will God heal my Stomach? As a minister, how ware we suppose to answer that?
Don't leave out the verses before this v 17. If you believe these verses are speaking of all of us today, then that means if someone prays for someone and they are not healed, it is because the person who prayed for them is not a believer, and not even saved. Correct?

Mar 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Mar 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
Mar 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
 
Don't leave out the verses before this v 17. If you believe these verses are speaking of all of us today, then that means if someone prays for someone and they are not healed, it is because the person who prayed for them is not a believer, and not even saved. Correct?

Mar 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Mar 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
Mar 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

Come on Deborah. What Jesus say? All scripture is for reproof and doctrine, not just the ones we want to believe.

He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
(Mar 16:16)
And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
(Mar 16:17)

Requirement 1: You need to be saved.
Requirement 2: you must believe in the power of his name. Many believers have no idea, or know what Jesus did at the cross but that they are just saved.

And his name through faith in his name hath made this man strong, whom ye see and know: yea, the faith which is by him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.
(Act 3:16)

So just being a believer is not the only requirement. What do you believe about the name of Jesus. Is it the name above all names?

Has the name of Jesus ever lost it's power or authority?

If the name of Jesus has never lost power or authority, then those scriptures in Mark are for us today if we can still be saved.
 
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