You were right! I was wrong!

[Jesse]

reality is that the government cant really do much. if we made it illegal for gays to marry, then why do not have the government also ban fornication? and also what about the fact is that married or not they will still live together and who is the government to tell whom I can or cant love? im not saying that is a good thing to have this. its not as the problem is that the government also will have to defend all the ideas of family. just that its useless to try to force a person to love or not to love another.

its also really hard to defend normal marriage when he have the oddball marriage of manson and his bride whilst he is in prison and he isn't the only one. hardness of heart.

I heard a guy say one time that we need to stop fighting social issues because it's a waste of time. That pushing our values onto the whole world isnt going to work because they are not believers......idk.

 

[jasonc]

I heard a guy say one time that we need to stop fighting social issues because it's a waste of time. That pushing our values onto the whole world isnt going to work because they are not believers......idk.

you could but the problem is that if we did that. well why not fight slavery in those nations that do have them? after all what is moral and or not must be based on a world view.just that with that issue I mentioned its just a hardness of heart. like beer a few thousands kids death is acceptable for us to get that drunk on. sorry its the truth.

 

[reba]

why does God tell us this if we are to just roll over and play dead
Eph 6:10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
Eph 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Eph 6:13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
Eph 6:14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
Eph 6:15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
Eph 6:16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
Eph 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
Eph 6:18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;
Eph 6:19 And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,
Eph 6:20 For which I am an ambassador in bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.
Too much of God's Word is in military form ..

 

[jasonc]

why does God tell us this if we are to just roll over and play dead
Eph 6:10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
Eph 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Eph 6:13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
Eph 6:14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
Eph 6:15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
Eph 6:16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
Eph 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
Eph 6:18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;
Eph 6:19 And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,
Eph 6:20 For which I am an ambassador in bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.
Too much of God's Word is in military form ..

im NOT for shutting up just that we must attack that stuff from a different angle. I do believe abortion should remain illegal. the taking of a life without due process or an act of self-defense is forbidden.

 

[jasonc]

and add common law marriages.

 

[reba]

Has your position changed on any issue since joining this forum? Was there a specific verse or discussion that exposed your error? Did you have the courage to admit you were wrong?

I thought it would be edifying to discuss how God has worked in your life on this forum in regards to He bringing us into Truth and leaving falsehood and error in the dust.

 

[Mike S]

Has it confirmed what you believe? I've learned a lot here, but it also has confirmed what I believe so my belief and faith are stronger because of people on this forum.

I've seen the variety of religious beliefs discussed that I've seen and heard elsewhere. My faith has been confirmed.

 

[evenifigoalone]

The only thing that comes to mind at the moment is end times. There have been a few minor things here and there....

Oh! I used to be a King Jame onlyist. But I think I may already have begun leaving that behind when I joined here, or I was in the right sort of mindset to do so. At some point I posted a thread on the topic, which I used to aid my research.

I remember the year I joined was the year I was already really changing my political ideals. That didn't have much to do with this site.

 

[Northman]

Has your position changed on any issue since joining this forum? Was there a specific verse or discussion that exposed your error?

It might have come close a time or two, but things usually turn south fast. Im still having a bit of a problem with the whole "chew the meat, spit the bones" concept.

For myself, its hard to accept certain positions from people who reveal certain traits.

Dont get me wrong, everyone forgets things, everyone makes mistakes. When folks start making a practice out of things like nation and law worship, hypocritical accusations, obsession with heritage, attitude, oblivious propogation of misinformation, and of course general nasty treatment of other believers...those kinds of things turn me off to whatever someone doing that is trying to say.

 

[Gary]

It might have come close a time or two, but things usually turn south fast. Im still having a bit of a problem with the whole "chew the meat, spit the bones" concept.

For myself, its hard to accept certain positions from people who reveal certain traits.

Dont get me wrong, everyone forgets things, everyone makes mistakes. When folks start making a practice out of things like nation and law worship, hypocritical accusations, obsession with heritage, attitude, oblivious propogation of misinformation, and of course general nasty treatment of other believers...those kinds of things turn me off to whatever someone doing that is trying to say.

Good post.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

why does God tell us this if we are to just roll over and play dead
Eph 6:10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
Eph 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Eph 6:13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
Eph 6:14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
Eph 6:15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
Eph 6:16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
Eph 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
Eph 6:18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;
Eph 6:19 And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,
Eph 6:20 For which I am an ambassador in bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.
Too much of God's Word is in military form ..

We are soldiers for Christ.
We are ambassadors for Christ.
But our home is not of this world.

 

[Jesse]

It might have come close a time or two, but things usually turn south fast. Im still having a bit of a problem with the whole "chew the meat, spit the bones" concept.

For myself, its hard to accept certain positions from people who reveal certain traits.

Dont get me wrong, everyone forgets things, everyone makes mistakes. When folks start making a practice out of things like nation and law worship, hypocritical accusations, obsession with heritage, attitude, oblivious propogation of misinformation, and of course general nasty treatment of other believers...those kinds of things turn me off to whatever someone doing that is trying to say.

I understand what you're saying, the bashing doesn't do their teaching any credibility and it's difficult to come back from that.

 

[Gary]

I understand what you're saying, the bashing doesn't do their teaching any credibility and it's difficult to come back from that.

For me, it pretty much puts an end to the conversation. If you have to put someone down in order to get your point across, your point isn't worth hearing.
.

 

[Blake]

I've learned that grace is sufficient but that doesn't mean to get too comfortable where you are. Press forward, contend, run the race, and work out your salvation with fear and trembling. Continually move onward and upward. Climb a tree to see Him coming, press through the crowd to touch his garment, draw near despite your sinfulness and anoint His feet. The mountain top is yours for a season but so is the valley. A Christian without fire on the altar its cold and one without works its dead.

A lot of that God has been showing me here. Some of it was revealed through saints here whether they know it or not.

 

[jasonc]

For me, it pretty much puts an end to the conversation. If you have to put someone down in order to get your point across, your point isn't worth hearing.
.

that's called a logical fallacy, character assassination. politicians do that a lot.

 

[Edward]

I read in a thread today where I said something wrong. I was going to make another post to correct it, but the thread had been closed.