Your Opinion- worst false doctrine

[jasoncran]

i came to that conclusion via god's word, and nick's post on women in leadership roles.

that was the straw that did it.

in my recovery from my bisexuality, i have been taught what a christian man should be and christian woman should be.

men have roles :
to provide
to protect
to lead in the home and in spiritual matters
to put the WIFE first,and if need be die for her
to submit to the wife if need be
to be the role model for that special daughter(s)
to be the role model for that son(s), and to teach him to be tender and christ like with woman


is it better to pawn of you child to a stranger while you work for what? a house, things, money

i am not against women working but if it in the best interest for them to guide the children and teach them things on christ and work interferes then the child should come first. unless fincances is a problem


my wife when she first married me asked me to be the man and let her stop being the man and take the role of a head. she was a single parent and had failed marriages

she asked me to do the Godly role that i was appointed to do.

my wife cant work, so i work three jobs.

 

[happyjoy]

i will add this statement from a friend of mine and agnostic, a woman

she wishes it was in the 60's earlier before the sexual revolution. why? because woman are treated better then.

Really your friend who is a woman wishes it was a time before feminism because women were treated better? That is interesting. I wonder what part of the wonderful treatment she laments missing most? Being forbidden to own property? Maybe it was being denied the right to vote and equal protection under the law? Maybe it was all career opportunities women had back then. Let's see women could be housewife, or maid. I would be interested in knowing what about those wonderful times for women your friend wants to bring back.

 

[jasoncran]

because men treated them better.

what good is to have property, if you are hated and lonely

my mom-in-law has more money than i do and is lonely, why? she is a hellion
her sister wasnt claimed at the morgue her son whom she treated like crap. disowned her and left her to rot, sadly. he didnt want to pay for her burial.
she too had property.

money aint everything. and she didnt say that she wished it all was that way,but she wished men treated women better to clarify.

 

[jasoncran]

my grand aunt owned property in the 50's in lake worth.

 

[happyjoy]

because men treated them better.

what good is to have property, if you are hated and lonely

my mom-in-law has more money than i do and is lonely, why? she is a hellion
her sister wasnt claimed at the morgue her son whom she treated like crap. disowned her and left her to rot, sadly. he didnt want to pay for her burial.
she too had property.

money aint everything. and she didnt say that she wished it all was that way,but she wished men treated women better to clarify.

Oh I guess us women don't appreciate how good we had it. We don't need rights, or to be able to own property. The only thing women need to be fulfilled and happy is for men to treat us well. Thanks for that amazing insight into life.

By your rationale Muslim women In Saudi Arabia must be the happiest on earth.

 

[jasoncran]

i will add this statement from a friend of mine and agnostic, a woman

she wishes it was in the 60's earlier before the sexual revolution. why? because woman are treated better then.

Really your friend who is a woman wishes it was a time before feminism because women were treated better? That is interesting. I wonder what part of the wonderful treatment she laments missing most? Being forbidden to own property? Maybe it was being denied the right to vote and equal protection under the law? Maybe it was all career opportunities women had back then. Let's see women could be housewife, or maid. I would be interested in knowing what about those wonderful times for women your friend wants to bring back.

ah let me clarify . what part of this only relates in spiritual matters primarily not jobs. i have inquired on this. and many that believe in men only pastors do believe in women's rights.

but we also believe in how god ordained the family. odd since you say that motherhood is bad and many women are wanting to be mothers over those careers. i have watched feminisit movement for years.

interesting all those like steinheim and others now regret being childless.

 

[happyjoy]

but we also believe in how god ordained the family. odd since you say that motherhood is bad and many women are wanting to be mothers over those careers. i have watched feminisit movement for years.

interesting all those like steinheim and others now regret being childless.

Jason I don't know where you think you get the information you have, but I think you should make an effort to listen and read what others actually say to you. I have never said motherhood is bad, so I don't know where you got that. That is the second time you have ascribed something to me which is not my opinion. I must assume that you do this with others as well.

How have you watched the "feminist" movement over the years? That statement just makes no sense.

All those like Steinheim regret being childless?

One shouldn't speak about topics for which one has no information. Sure some women who focused on their career in their twenties have a harder time conceiving as they get older, but in no way means that they are unfulfilled as women, or that they wish women were property like the old days. Get a grip man.

 

[jasoncran]

happyjoy, i never said that women shouldnt have jobs.

i love when YOU twist my words.

aint the first time as you see only what you want to.

i also will clarify this, if money AND things bring happiness then why are my relatives lonely?

you assume that women are forced into this, no they choose to marry and accept the biblical role. this doenst mean they cant work or dont. only that they shouldnt hate motherhood like the likes of sanger, steinheim do.

i saying that i am blessed because my mom raised me , not pawned me off to make money so that she could have things. that is the difference, happyjoy.

LOVING YOUR CHILDREN ABOVE YOU, IS THAT EVIL TO YOU?

DO YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE. PUTTING THE CHILD FIRST ABOVE CAREER IF YOU HAVE CHILDREN. IF YOU ARENT MARRIED THEN BY ALL MEANS. BUT IF YOU WANT CHILDREN THAT SHOULD BE ADDRESSED.

NO ALL COUPLES WANT CHILDREN, I DIDNT. BECAUSE MY WIFE COULDNT. SHE HAS NO UTERUS AND ALREADY HAD KIDS.

 

[jasoncran]

i will add this statement from a friend of mine and agnostic, a woman

she wishes it was in the 60's earlier before the sexual revolution. why? because woman are treated better then.

Really your friend who is a woman wishes it was a time before feminism because women were treated better? That is interesting. I wonder what part of the wonderful treatment she laments missing most? Being forbidden to own property? Maybe it was being denied the right to vote and equal protection under the law? Maybe it was all career opportunities women had back then. Let's see women could be housewife, or maid. I would be interested in knowing what about those wonderful times for women your friend wants to bring back.

#1 up there only a housewife, or maid, which i never impied.

because men treated them better.

what good is to have property, if you are hated and lonely

my mom-in-law has more money than i do and is lonely, why? she is a hellion
her sister wasnt claimed at the morgue her son whom she treated like crap. disowned her and left her to rot, sadly. he didnt want to pay for her burial.
she too had property.

money aint everything. and she didnt say that she wished it all was that way,but she wished men treated women better to clarify.

Oh I guess us women don't appreciate how good we had it. We don't need rights, or to be able to own property. The only thing women need to be fulfilled and happy is for men to treat us well. Thanks for that amazing insight into life.

By your rationale Muslim women In Saudi Arabia must be the happiest on earth.

#2 that stating what the role is for a woman in a marriage you automatically assumed that i wanted to suprress women by saying that motherhood is good.
this lead me to state that you hate motherhood.


that is how you have twisted my words. and yes i have observed what the feminist movements wanted and have accomplished. many women have choosen carrer first over the children and later regretted that. the didnt marry and aborted the children could have, yes they are there.

 

[GodspromisesRyes]

can we make a new topic for this woman conversation so this doesnt go totally off the rails and get locked in 2 mintues please

when women hate womanhood it is very sad, they do not even know what it is go be a woman. They are taught to despise everything truly unique, femanine, soft, loving, unselfish, giving and desire to have what the world says men get.- So they fight for their right to be treated badly, and talked nasty in front of, to kill their children, to be loud, to be selfish and greedy. O, and to vote so that makes it ok.


These things are a waste of time to argue, people either walk in love, which means they have warm hearts that melt towards their husbands and children or they have cold hard hearts that focus on what they should get. no need to keep arguing it- how can you make people love, except through Christ Jesus.

so back to topic please

 

[jasoncran]

very well, i will comply on my end.

since i know that you speak from expercience, if i recall correctly.

 

[happyjoy]

This discussion like most others where I disagree with you come down to the fact I don't believe the bible is literal or magic.

The bible was written by men living in the bronze age. They saw fit to exclude women from everything. They made God three men? Really God is three, but not one was female? Why would God have a gender at all?

The world needs some attention, and its time for adults to put the magic thinking and superstition away and use some sense.

My grandpa used to say. Wish in one had, and spit in the other see which one fills up first. Well the same thing for magic and praying. Doing is what gets results.

 

[jasoncran]

the laodicean idea of the prosperty gospel

while i'm pro eternal security

one cant be saved and not have the evidence of good works. if good works never occur then salvation hasnt occured.

many churches preached a very imbalenced gospel, no call for holiness, no sacrifice, yet somehow you will make it in, and that you can be rich.

i'm for holiness, sacrifice, and good works. and i believe that god blesses but sometimes his glory is obtained by our crucifixation.

 

[oi_antz]

The War of Armageddon.

Most people believe Jesus will return in flesh and (I don't know where this comes from - hence false doctrine) we'll all fight until good wins over evil. I have not gained this impression from my readings of the Word. I believe certain events from Revelation have happened already and I have no reason (yet) to believe that Jesus' return will be anything but a peaceful resolution to matters of good vs evil. If there's anything in the Bible which indicates God does not Love His people, then I may be convinced that we have a chance to be harmed by such a war.. I guess I should open this discussion in a new thread.

 

[jasoncran]

ah that is in the books of zechariah and also ezekiel. end time prophecies are over the bible, not just in revalation.

 

[oi_antz]

ah that is in the books of zechariah and also ezekiel. end time prophecies are over the bible, not just in revalation.

Would you mind showing me one of those verses, I'm not able to see anything negative in the Bible by myself, cheers.

 

[Vic C.]

Universal Reconciliation.

Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:


Happyjoy, stop making this personal and stop making anything you disagree with a source of conflict. I will move this thread to the Christian Talk and Advice forum if this continues.

 

[Vic C.]

Also, End Times debates belong in the End Times Forum.

 

[jasoncran]

vic he put and end times op in the general forum and i moved it to the appropiate forum.

 

[veteran]

In my opinion, one of the worst doctrines in the Church is that of 'Christian Mysticism'.

That would cover New Age doctrines creeping into Christ's Church covering many centuries, even back to the early Church's battle with the so-called Christian Gnostics of the 2nd century A.D. And it would cover many false doctrines that have come out of it over a long time, including the use of mysticism to twist literal Scripture into something totally unrecognizable by symbolic spiritualizing.

Some of the doctrines where mysticism is applied is the pre-trib rapture theory, Dispensationalism, the idea that Christ's second coming means a spiritual coming and not a bodily return, focusing upon the symbols and metaphors in God's Word to create spiritualist dogma more than the truth they're used to point to, playing numerology with God's Word, borrowing of religious iconology and traditions from pagan traditions, linking prophetic Bible timelines with pagan calendars (2012 idea), using pagan philosophical traditions to reinterpret God's Word, and even using social philosophy to reinterpret God's Word. The list could keep on going.