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[Yodas_Prodigy]

Hello all. I am in to apologetics. I enjoy good deep theological discussions. I like to work with those in false religious systems who follow a counterfit Christ.

For personal growth, I study the Reformers and Hebraic roots.

 

[evenifigoalone]

Welcome

 

[Paul1965]

Hi YP,welcome

 

[WinterRose]

Have a blessed time here !!!

 

[Nick]

Welcome!

 

[jasoncran]

Hello all. I am in to apologetics. I enjoy good deep theological discussions. I like to work with those in false religious systems who follow a counterfit Christ.

For personal growth, I study the Reformers and Hebraic roots.

welcome. well those are going to be one interesting mix. the reformers tend to me not so friendly to hebrews in thoughts(adam clarke wasnt).

 

[Yodas_Prodigy]

welcome. well those are going to be one interesting mix. the reformers tend to me not so friendly to hebrews in thoughts(adam clarke wasnt).

The Reformers were on their way in the right direction. But they got detoured with a bunch of side issues. You should understand that the reformers were trying to kick off the rust of Rome. The reformers with whom I am acquainted with believe in the 10 commandments. Reformers tend to be more understanding when discussing keeping the Sabbath.

 

[jasoncran]

lovely, the shabat was never meant for gentiles. it was meant for any hebrew child or those that joined themselves to isreal. the church has said to the gentiles that the shabat isnt needed. let me ask this. if the third temple was to be and they did animal offering for blessing to the lord. would you then kill one to offer it? knowing that the thing isnt needed?

i wouldnt kill my lamb or goat for that. especially when its a shadow of what the cross has already done.

 

[Yodas_Prodigy]

lovely, the shabat was never meant for gentiles. it was meant for any hebrew child or those that joined themselves to isreal. the church has said to the gentiles that the shabat isnt needed. let me ask this. if the third temple was to be and they did animal offering for blessing to the lord. would you then kill one to offer it? knowing that the thing isnt needed?

i wouldnt kill my lamb or goat for that. especially when its a shadow of what the cross has already done.

From my perspective the Church is Israel. We are one people of God. And believers are the final temple. If you are familiar with 119 Ministries, go check out their free video on being Grafted In. Regarding the Sabbath, I see no clear teaching in the NT that tells me that the Sabbath has been done away with. Yeshuah is our sabbath rest. He came to fulfill the Law, not do away with it.

 

[jasoncran]

yes one has liberty to do that but really in context. it was for the hebrew nation not the goyim. you are a goy correct?im not im a jew.
i dont call the church isreal. i have reasons for that.i has attributes of isreal but christianity doesnt have tribes to it.

 

[Yodas_Prodigy]

yes one is a liberty to do that but really in context. it was for the hebrew nation not the goyim. you are a goy correct?im not im a jew.
i dont call the church isreal. i have reasons for that.i has attributes of isreal but christianity doesnt have tribes to it.

So, when the new jerusalem comes down, what names appear on the walls and gates? I think that we will be a very Hebraic culture, serving the Messiah from the tribe of Yahudah.

 

[Yodas_Prodigy]

yes one has liberty to do that but really in context. it was for the hebrew nation not the goyim. you are a goy correct?im not im a jew.
i dont call the church isreal. i have reasons for that.i has attributes of isreal but christianity doesnt have tribes to it.

BTW, Caleb was a gentile. There were many aliens who chose to follow Yah when they left Egypt. If you would like, do a search for Light After Darkness. At that site is a six part audio on who Israelis.

 

[jasoncran]

that is symbolic of what the oracles from jerusalem.

what does a levite in christ do for god? a kohen did have a function that is what i mean.

saved yes but as far as function? does a jew have a function over a goy?

 

[jasoncran]

BTW, Caleb was a gentile. There were many aliens who chose to follow Yah when they left Egypt. If you would like, do a search for Light After Darkness. At that site is a six part audio on who Israelis.

caleb wasnt a gentile. there were gentiles that left egypt. that is what i said gentiles who joined themselves to isreal.

And Joshua the son of Nun, and Caleb the son of Jephunneh, which were of them that searched the land, rent their clothes:

 

[Yodas_Prodigy]

caleb wasnt a gentile. there were gentiles that left egypt. that is what i said gentiles who joined themselves to isreal.

Take a look at Joshua 14:6. Kennezites are from a different line from Avraham. Definitely, not through Isaac. I think he is a Midianite.

 

[jasoncran]

kenite is like the word smith. moses sons were part kenite. zipporah was a kennitish woman. still that doesnt negate what i said nor the church in acts 15.

 

[Yodas_Prodigy]

kenite is like the word smith. moses sons were part kenite. zipporah was a kennitish woman. still that doesnt negate what i said nor the church in acts 15.

There is no discussion on Calebs mother. It was the Father's lineage that was counted in the OT. Abraham, Isaac, Jacob etc etc

We will have to agree to disagree... Shalom

 

[Nick]

As nice as this all is, it might be better to take this to a new thread

 

[MarkG]

Hi and welcome!

 

[jasoncran]

There is no discussion on Calebs mother. It was the Father's lineage that was counted in the OT. Abraham, Isaac, Jacob etc etc

We will have to agree to disagree... Shalom

actually in jewry. the woman's lineage counts. sorry. its because that im not a jew to orthodox jews.