Zion

[stovebolts]

Work this one out...

Written by King Solomon, son of King David. Ecclesiastes1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

Zion (Mt. Moriah) holds a very real, worldly significance.

Scripture tells us that David reclaimed Zion from the Jebusites. 2 Samuel 5:6-7 which is the first time national Israel had possession of the Land as promised to Abraham. Gen 22:17. This was the first time world peace actually occurs (1 Chronicles 16:30)

What we find about Zion, is that Solomon is able to build a Temple for the Lord there. The place within Jerusalem where the Temple is built is Mt. Moriah. 2 Chronicles 3:1

What is interesting, is that it was on Mt. Moriah (Zion) where Abraham offered his Son Isaac... Genesis 22:2 Are we starting to see the spiritual significance to Zion yet? But wait, there's more.

Ironically, Abraham had already been in that land prior when he met, and gave tithes to Melchizedek, king of Salem (Jerusalem) (Genesis 14:18) and yes, the Jews still to this day believe that it was on Mt. Moriah where God formed Adam. Gen 2:7.

Zion. Oh Holy Zion!

 

[Adullam]

Zion also represents a very spiritual aspect of the reign of God in our midst. Jesus Christ will rule from Zion during the millenium reign on the throne of David.

Psa 110:2 The LORD shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies.


God Himself will rule from Zion, His holy hill, in the new earth together with His Christ and His saints. Their kingdom shall never end.

As it is in heaven...so it will be on earth!

 

[Drew]

Zion also represents a very spiritual aspect of the reign of God in our midst. Jesus Christ will rule from Zion during the millenium reign on the throne of David.

Psa 110:2 The LORD shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies.


God Himself will rule from Zion, His holy hill, in the new earth together with His Christ and His saints. Their kingdom shall never end.

As it is in heaven...so it will be on earth!

No.

This Psalm is quoted by Jesus when he (Jesus) tells Caiaphus that he (Caiaiphus) will see its realization:

But He kept silent and did not answer (AT)Again the high priest was questioning Him, and saying to Him, "Are You the Christ, the Son of the Blessed One?" 62And Jesus said, "I am; and you shall see (AU)THE SON OF MAN SITTING AT THE RIGHT HAND OF POWER, and (AV)COMING WITH THE CLOUDS OF HEAVEN."

Jesus is quoting from Psalm 110 (which is the text at issue) as well as Daniel 7. Here is the Psalm 110 material:

The LORD says to my Lord:
"(B)Sit at My right hand
Until I make (C)Your enemies a footstool for Your feet."
2The LORD will stretch forth Your strong (D)scepter from Zion, saying,
"(E)Rule in the midst of Your enemies."

Jesus is telling Caiaphus that Caiaphus will live to see His (Jesus) enthronement.

And indeed Caiaphus does – Jesus is enthroned on His resurrection.

 

[GodspromisesRyes]

Hbr 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,


Hbr 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,


Hbr 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than [that of] Abel.

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:


This FULLNESS of the gentiles is JESUS IN US coming forth OUT OF ZION(US BELIEVERS) TO TURN UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB AMEN!!!!!! Praise GOD!

1Pe 2:4 ¶ To whom coming, [as unto] a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, [and] precious,


1Pe 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

1Pe 2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.

WE faithful believers are ZION! AND we will bare Jesus and be made like Him

Isa 66:7 Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.


Isa 66:8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? [or] shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.


Isa 66:9 Shall I bring to the birth, and not cause to bring forth? saith the LORD: shall I cause to bring forth, and shut [the womb]? saith thy God.

 

[Adullam]

Hbr 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,


Hbr 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,


Hbr 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than [that of] Abel.

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:


This FULLNESS of the gentiles is JESUS IN US coming forth OUT OF ZION(US BELIEVERS) TO TURN UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB AMEN!!!!!! Praise GOD!

1Pe 2:4 ¶ To whom coming, [as unto] a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, [and] precious,


1Pe 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

1Pe 2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.

WE faithful believers are ZION! AND we will bare Jesus and be made like Him

Isa 66:7 Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.


Isa 66:8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? [or] shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.


Isa 66:9 Shall I bring to the birth, and not cause to bring forth? saith the LORD: shall I cause to bring forth, and shut [the womb]? saith thy God.

Yet another dimension! From a physical place, to a spiritual reality, to a spiritual people!

 

[whirlwind]

• Joel 3:16 The LORD also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the LORD will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel.
  
  Joel 3:17 So shall ye know that I am the LORD your God dwelling in Zion, my holy mountain: then shall Jerusalem be holy, and there shall no strangers pass through her any more.

I believe what is being said is that Zion is the man child while those of the spiritual city of Jerusalem are His children...believers.

 

[Drew]

Yet another dimension! From a physical place, to a spiritual reality, to a spiritual people!

The idea of any hard distinction between "spiritual" reality and "physical" reality is not scriptural.

In 1 Corinthians 15, Paul descrbes a decidedly physical body as a "spiritual" body.

The "spirit vs material" distinction is a Greek idea that has been unfortunately distorted the true picture presented in the scriptures.

 

[whirlwind]

Yet another dimension! From a physical place, to a spiritual reality, to a spiritual people!

The idea of any hard distinction between "spiritual" reality and "physical" reality is not scriptural.

In 1 Corinthians 15, Paul descrbes a decidedly physical body as a "spiritual" body.

The "spirit vs material" distinction is a Greek idea that has been unfortunately distorted the true picture presented in the scriptures.

Paul tells us there is the spiritual and the natural....not that the physical is the spiritual.

• 1 Corinthians 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
  
  15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
  
  11 Corinthians 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

 

[Edouard]

Zion.

It sounds like you all are debating where Christ's return will be and where he shall reign from on earth.

End times are very intriguing along with the end of the world.

Besised the text throughout Revelation defining what will and has come.

II thessalonians. Gives a descriptive account on the return of Christ.

Also, in revelation it says a new heaven and a new earth will be formed. A new Jerusalem will be made.

Is this literal or figurative.
For this topic I reccomend any studies done by Dr. Robert Lowery.

Remeber the factor of deciphering in the old testament - which was prophecy about Christ? In the new tetament which was figurative and which was literal. For example when Christ told Nicodemus that we must be born again. What was his question? How can a man enter his mothers womb again?

Edouard.
May the Holy Spirit guide our studies and conclusions, Amen.

 

[Drew]

Paul tells us there is the spiritual and the natural....not that the physical is the spiritual.

• 1 Corinthians 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

• 
  You may not realize it, but this text supports my position.
  
  Paul uses the adjective "spiritual" in relation to what? A disembodied immaterial thing?
  
  No!
  
  He uses it to describe a body like Jesus got after resurrection. And was that a "physical" body? Yes! He had a head, arms, legs, a stomach. He ate and walked around.
  
  The distinction is not "immaterial" vs "physical". The real distinction is "unredeemed physicality" vs "redeemed physicality".
  
  Paul does not, in any sense at all, endorse the notion that "spiritual" means non-physical.
  
  Instead, people import this Greek idea of a "spirit vs physical" distinction and, in so doing, muzzle Paul.

 

[Drew]

15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

This is not a statement that eternal life is non-physical. Paul has just told us in 1 Corinthians 15 that we will spend eternity in bodies with arms and legs and stomachs and ears.

Paul is simpy saying that unredeemed fallen "physicality" will not inherit the kingdom.

But the kingdom is physical. Jesus was not, repeat not, resurrected as an immaterial "spirit". He had a body - a thing that can be touched, with arms, legs, etc.

 

[whirlwind]

Paul tells us there is the spiritual and the natural....not that the physical is the spiritual.

• 1 Corinthians 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

• 
  You may not realize it, but this text supports my position.
  
  Paul uses the adjective "spiritual" in relation to what? A disembodied immaterial thing?
  
  No!
  
  He uses it to describe a body like Jesus got after resurrection. And was that a "physical" body? Yes! He had a head, arms, legs, a stomach. He ate and walked around.
  
  The distinction is not "immaterial" vs "physical". The real distinction is "unredeemed physicality" vs "redeemed physicality".
  
  Paul does not, in any sense at all, endorse the notion that "spiritual" means non-physical.
  
  Instead, people import this Greek idea of a "spirit vs physical" distinction and, in so doing, muzzle Paul.

• 
  
  
  There is an enormous difference in our flesh physical body and our spiritual body. When we physically die our flesh body goes back to earth but our true body simply steps out. We are once again what we have always been.
  
  
  

  [quote:2x2ov9we]
  whirlwind wrote:
  15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

  This is not a statement that eternal life is non-physical. Paul has just told us in 1 Corinthians 15 that we will spend eternity in bodies with arms and legs and stomachs and ears.
  
  Paul is simpy saying that unredeemed fallen "physicality" will not inherit the kingdom.
  
  But the kingdom is physical. Jesus was not, repeat not, resurrected as an immaterial "spirit". He had a body - a thing that can be touched, with arms, legs, etc.[/quote:2x2ov9we]
  
  What are angels? They are spirits...and they are us, we are them. A spirit, as you have pointed out....has arms, legs, etc. They eat, walk, sit. Their/our bodies are/will be spiritual bodies. They don't age, die, etc. and therefore they are not flesh...neither are they floating vapourous clouds.

 

[researcher]

15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

This is not a statement that eternal life is non-physical. Paul has just told us in 1 Corinthians 15 that we will spend eternity in bodies with arms and legs and stomachs and ears.

Paul is simpy saying that unredeemed fallen "physicality" will not inherit the kingdom.

But the kingdom is physical. Jesus was not, repeat not, resurrected as an immaterial "spirit". He had a body - a thing that can be touched, with arms, legs, etc.

Interesting, Drew. Something to chew on.

Of course, the angels in the OT showed up/manifested with physical bodies, but, they were spirits. Hmmm.

 

[Drew]

There is an enormous difference in our flesh physical body and our spiritual body. When we physically die our flesh body goes back to earth but our true body simply steps out.

I agree.

A spirit, as you have pointed out....has arms, legs, etc. They eat, walk, sit. Their/our bodies are/will be spiritual bodies. They don't age, die, etc. and therefore they are not flesh...neither are they floating vapourous clouds.

I agree again.

 

[sheshisown]

I like this particular topic about Zion and I want to refocus on the OP.

SO~ Nevertheless David took the strong hold of Zion: the same is the city of David. OKJ 1 Samuel 5:7

I show this is the first mention of Zion in my Bible search, is that right Jeff? First mention... has special significance... But so does last mention.

Then I looked, and behold, a Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His Father's name written on their foreheads. NKJ Revelation 14:1

There are 161 verses in NKJV in which Zion is mentioned... why don't we LOOK into these a bit further?

sheshisown~ :waving

 

[stovebolts]

Great find bonnie!