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Fish Catcher Jim said:
Rollo Hi,
Can it be said that Faith is also Believing
Fear then could say sacred, afraid, doubtful so on

Now when I first said Fear is faith in something you did not understand what I ment.
Example......big wild dog snarling at your feet ready to pounce on you and eat you alive.
Now are you scared ? If so then you must "believe" that this wild dog can hurt you.
So if you believe it can hurt you then you have Faith in this wild dog as to it can hurt you.
If you were not afraid of this dog then you would have no fear and faith that it can not hurt you.

We use faith everyday without even thinking about it, faith that the lite switch will turn on the light and faith that when I sit in this chair it will hold me. Now you dont have to activate this faith because it comes natural and this is because you have sat in enough chairs to know or (believe) it will hold you. Brother that is Faith in that chair.

Now if you have ever stuck your finger in a light socket you know and have learned it will hurt you bad.
Now then this can also be seen as fear of the light socket if some one were to try and stick your finger in it. I mean You would be fighting against that for sure....Why because you beleive or know or have FAITH in the fact that the light socket will hurt you.

This is what I was saying when I said fear of it is faith in it....That is why our enemy the devil uses fear so much..
If he the devil can get you to fear enough it destorts YOUR FAITH in God's word because Fear is faith in what ever you fear.....Fear can stop your Faith in God....That is what I was meaning......
I hope this makes more sence to you.
God Bless and have a wonderful week
Jim
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You seem to be adding a definition to the word faith that does not exist.
If a bad dog seemed to be ready to bite me, I would have fear that he would bite me, also I might have faith that God would save me from this dog.
I would not have faith that the dog might bite me anymore then I would have fear that God would save me.
 
II Peter 1:4
4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge
6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness
7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

I tend not to take vitamins. These verses sound like a supplement list. The main things are: repent, believe on Jesus, receive the Holy Spirit and these supplements help you. LOL.

eddif
 
Willie T said:
Maybe if you changed "faith" to "trust"
I think "fear" is fairly accurately expressed as "doubt"[/QU
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Rollo Tamasi said:
You seem to be adding a definition to the word faith that does not exist.
If a bad dog seemed to be ready to bite me, I would have fear that he would bite me, also I might have faith that God would save me from this dog.
I would not have faith that the dog might bite me anymore then I would have fear that God would save me.
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Never Mind Brother.......one day it will dawn on you what is being said......
 
The way I understand fear as it relates to the Lord, isn't as much about being afraid as it is about being in awe.

A few years ago we went on an ocean cruise. Looking out, I understood how big the ocean was, and how powerful it was. I reflected how small and weak I was in comparison to the ocean. In short, I was in utter awe while being surrounded by it.
Was I afraid? I could have been. But I had faith the boat would keep me safe.

In like, I fear the Lord, but I have faith that I'm safe in Jesus.
 
StoveBolts said:
The way I understand fear as it relates to the Lord, isn't as much about being afraid as it is about being in awe.

A few years ago we went on an ocean cruise. Looking out, I understood how big the ocean was, and how powerful it was. I reflected how small and weak I was in comparison to the ocean. In short, I was in utter awe while being surrounded by it.
Was I afraid? I could have been. But I had faith the boat would keep me safe.

In like, I fear the Lord, but I have faith that I'm safe in Jesus.
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Do you see Jesus as someone who saves you from God?
 
Job 38:8
8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?
9 When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,
11 And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?

This agrees with Satan not being able to do more to Job than what God allowed. The storms of the ocean go only so far; just as beaches set limits.

eddif
 
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All the evil in the world convinces me that God made man to have his own will and allows man to operate in his own will.
 
Personally, I think scripture covers everything, and where it doesn't we should look to Romans 14- show grace and mercy to fellow believers. For example, there was a post on here somewhere about the Eucharist- When Jesus says "this is my body/this is my blood" is it LITERALLY his body & blood or FIGURATIVELY. Since Jesus didn't say one way or the other (it could be interpreted either way) the best thing to do is let it go. Our salvation depends on if we've accepted Jesus Christ as our personal Lord and Savior, everything else is bonus.
 
I punched post too early, but it will work for good. Romans 1:19-20 actually encourages seeking hidden knowledge / wisdom (whoever you are).
The doors and bars:
Redneck version LOL
Probably water cycle (our prayers - evaporation)

Rain (physical and spiritual)

Rivers in (from mountains - down from heaven)
Fresh water springs at bottom of ocean (fountains of deep - out of belly flow rivers of living water).

Tsunami goes just so far (bar set by God).

Does the bible state all the things I wrote? Not exactly. Are implications there ( I feel save others may not)? An oxen compared to a bishop is in the bible I Corinthians 9:9-10 and surrounding text.

Jasonc on the sea might see the storm, but he rests secure in his trust of G_d. Satan may control the storm, but the father sets the limits. Jason you can change the words I wrote.

The book of Job is full of theology and doctrine, and sets rules for understanding it.

Rednecks and scripture.
eddif
 
Deborah13 said:
All the evil in the world convinces me that God made man to have his own will and allows man to operate in his own will.
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And,IMHO, God walks up to him with two forms of love (especially OT - original testament Jason). Both are God's love methods. Either the staff draws you near or the rod raps you in discipline. Holy Spirit in you (making you aware of good and evil) is more NT, but church discipline is NT too.
Praise is not to give us the big head, and chastisement is not to destroy us. I totally think he helps mold and direct our new will over time.

eddif
 
eddif said:
And,IMHO, God walks up to him with two forms of love (especially OT - original testament Jason). Both are God's love methods. Either the staff draws you near or the rod raps you in discipline. Holy Spirit in you (making you aware of good and evil) is more NT, but church discipline is NT too.
Praise is not to give us the big head, and chastisement is not to destroy us. I totally think he helps mold and direct our new will over time.

eddif
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I was not referring to what God showed Job or how He deals with those who are His.
 
Romans 8:19
For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,

This passage leaves me treading water. Most other translations insert creation for creature.
So
If creation (the water raging) was at fault, then the scripture is telling us the wind was at fault. If it had been satan, then the rebuke would have been directed at satan (?).
Have I been corrected? I am so glad I said (satan might), although I have made mistakes before. The welding goggles are so dark at times. Reba the shade you use are great.

Reba open this up a little more for us.

eddif
 
reba said:
Luk 8:24 And they came to him, and awoke him, saying, Master, master, we perish. Then he arose, and rebuked the wind and the raging of the water: and they ceased, and there was a calm.
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But that doesn't indicate where the wind came from. Who was responsible for it.
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Like 4:39
And he stood over her, and rebuked the fever; and it left her: and immediately she arose and ministered unto them.

This discussion is way beyond where I was when it started.

eddif
 
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