Wrg1405
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Sorry don't know what you are sayin?
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Jethro Bodine
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Can you see how out of place it would have been for the person who helped you get free of gambling to be scratching their £100 worth of lotto tickets while they were helping you to do that? But in a sense that is what we Christians do in regard to alcohol. We want a world that is in bondage to alcohol to hear the good news of freedom from bondage to alcohol through Christ while we carelessly parade in front of them our Christian liberty to indulge it.
civilwarbuff
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Why are you so focused on other people's behaviors? Why so focused on what they eat and drink? To be perfectly honest it is none of your (or anyone's) business. Everyone must work out their own salvation with fear and trembling; why try add to it with man made rules and opinions? Let God decide and keep your opinions to between you and God.
th1b.taylor
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I love Wild Turkey 101 but I am a mean drunk and one shot is not enough, I know me.
Wrg1405
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Why do you assume that Christian's carelessly parade their liberty to indulge in alcohol?
What do you mean by carelessly?
I've known a few people over the years who were very surprised by the fact the Christians would have a beer or glass of wine. There view of the church was that of a puritan. I think it is more of that attitude that puts people of church than it being ok to have a beer.
Mind you we don't have to stop at alcohol do we?
There are a plethora of things we could bring to the table.
I don't think the issue has so much to do with liberty. The issue is how we walk in that liberty and how that should be addressed with sound biblical teaching.
FYI, no the guy who helped me does not gamble.
Wrg1405
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I a mean drunk as well. By that I mean I keep my hands in pockets covering my wallet.
th1b.taylor
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I wish I were like that when I drank but I hurt people for trying to help me, drunk, I am not a good man. Thus I condemn none butt I abstain.
Jethro Bodine
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That's what I've been saying. But as I have pointed out, all that can be heard by most Christians when you talk about responsibility in our liberties is that you're taking away their liberties.
Good.
And surely you can see how foolish and ineffective it would have been for him to have a discussion about being free of gambling through Christ whilst the two of you are pulling the handles on the slot machines, or scratching your lotto cards. How far would that guy have gotten with you about gambling if he was gambling whilst he talked to you about being free of it? I think that illustrates very well how we Christians should be handling alcohol in the eyes of the world. Our liberties either need to go on the shelf altogether, or be tucked away behind closed doors. That is not my opinion. That is what Paul teaches in Romans 14. Flaunting them in the name of Christian liberty has the potential of destroying another person. That is a far greater consideration than whether or not you have the freedom to drink alcohol (which you surely do).
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Jethro Bodine
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It seems most Christians don't take the time to consider, nor care to consider, if the world, and believers with various alcohol problems/beliefs, are present when they are drinking, or extolling the joys of drinking. They rejoice in it enthusiastically in word and deed without so much as a thought as to what Paul teaches us in Romans 14 that we are to do responsibly with our liberty to partake.
th1b.taylor
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Brother,
You must get them to read the scriptures to study and to place all the scriptures they know back into their original context. Far to often I have upset people with my first rule of Hermeneutics. Many, and that is all, (oxymoron) Liberal Christians get, very, excited at the idea that the Bible is of a singular context from, "In the Beginning God..." through the very last word of Revelation 22. I would give much to see better than 90% of the Church Membership rolls become serious about seeking God.
dirtfarmer
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Yes. And I still beat my wife.
To my recollection I do not recall even a single person being ruined by jewelry, as if that somehow even remotely equates to the Christian liberty of drinking alcohol and how it can affect other people.
hello Jethro Bodine, dirtfarmer here
How do you interpret 1 Timothy 2:9-10 & 1 Peter 3:3-4?
Hi Dirtfarmer,
I alluded to the above in my post no. 88 but I did't have a bible at my disposal.
I also would like to know Jethro Bodine 's opinion on the above.
I believe I had asked if I'm supposed to stop wearing jewelry (hope not!) but he didn't reply.
Wondering
Jethro Bodine
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What's to interpret?
Women should dress modestly. Just as all Christians are to not be drunk.
I have never heard any debate in the church as to whether or not women should dress up at all. But I hear lots of debate about whether Christians should drink alcohol, or not. There's simply no comparison between the two.
Jethro Bodine
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dirtfarmer
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hello Jethro Bodine, dirtfarmer here
O K. I will not carry this conversation any further.
dirtfarmer
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hello wondering, dirtfarmer here
I cannot speak for Jethro, but the scripture that is relevant as I understand is 1 Corinthians 6:12 " All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any."
Wrg1405
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You seem to making a distinction between alcohol and other things. The fact as to how a woman should dress is not debated and alcohol is, should not make a difference concerning your arguement.
Dress code in the church should be addressed along with many other things pertaining to your argument regarding the weaker brother/sister.
I see females in churches dressed leaving nothing to the imagination. At least you won't find people drinking alcohol in a church service.
civilwarbuff
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Hey, Jethro Bodine ....I asked this above but did not receive a reply so I will repost......
Not attacking you but I am really curious....
Are you dressing immodestly?
If so, then stop it.
It's that simple.
No problem with the dressing.
WHAT ABOUT JEWELRY???
Do I have to stop wearing jewelry???
And my hair. Is it supposed to be only in certain styles?
Inquiring minds want to know...
LOL
Wondering
I second that emotion.
I understand Jethro's point. He's upset that we may act like the rest of the world and the church says nothing about it.
But if we carry his idea to its logical conclusion, we'd have to move to Pennsylvania and go live with the Amish.
Jesus said we are IN the world but not OF the world.
He never said we should separate ourselves from the world but be the salt of the earth.
We're the salt of the earth by not becoming drunk --- not by eliminating a beer or glass of wine from our diet. I repeat, Jesus drank wine.
Wondering