For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment;
2 Peter 2:4
Angels are sons of God.
JLB
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For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment;
2 Peter 2:4
Angels are sons of God.
JLB
He's not going to ask me that question.
This passage isn't for the entire human race, but just for saved people.
The context for Rom 8:38-39 begins in v.31 -
31 What, then, shall we say in response to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us?
32 He who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us all—how will he not also, along with him, graciously give us all things?
33 Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies.
From v.31, we know that God is not "for" unbelievers.
From v.32, we know that God did not spare His own Son, but gasve Him up for US (believers) all.
From v.33, the question clarifies who Paul is referring to; the elect.
So, v.38,39 is applicable to believers ONLY. So, your question only applies to those who aren't saved. And yes, they WILL BE separated from the love of God.
But not believers. Remember what Jesus said about those He gives eternal life; they shall never perish. John 10:28
No. What verse says the Father will take away from Jesus anyone who is "in Christ Jesus"?? Exactly. No verse says that.
Do you understand what it means to prune a tree? It means to remove branches from the tree. You've not provided any verse that says that the Father will remove anyone who is in Christ Jesus.
And Eph 1:13,14 does not permit such a view.
chessman said: ↑
2 Thessalonians 1:6-9 since it is righteous in the sight of God to pay back those who are afflicting you with affliction, and to you who are being afflicted, rest with us at the revelation of the Lord Jesus from heaven with his powerful angels, with burning flame giving punishment to those who do not know God and who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus, who will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his strength,
2 Thessalonians 1:6-9 since it is righteous in the sight of God to pay back those who are afflicting you with affliction, and to you who are being afflicted, rest with us at the revelation of the Lord Jesus from heaven with his powerful angels, with burning flame giving punishment to those who do not know God and who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus, who will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his strength,
Good grief!! He underlined the place that actually does speak about being separated from God. "away from the presence of the Lord". Why? To pay the penalty of eternal destruction.
chessman
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For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; 2 Peter 2:4
Angels are called sons of God.
- they are equal to the angels and are sons of God
35 But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; 36 nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection. Luke 20:35-36
JLB
"they" are equal to the angels and are sons of God.
Angels are sons of God.
For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; 2 Peter 2:4
Angels are called sons of God.
- they are equal to the angels and are sons of God
35 But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; 36 nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection. Luke 20:35-36
JLB
chessman
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By you, but not by any of the Biblical Texts you've posted so far.
This is why assumptive questions get's you nowhere until you've established whether your assumptions are true or false.
But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; 36 nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection. Luke 20:35-36
Sons of God = sons of the resurrection = those who are counted worthy to attain that age
Have the angels who sinned attained resurrection from the dead??? No. Poof!
Angels are not called sons of God in this Text. Sorry.
Have the angels who sinned been counted worthy to attain (meaning, hit the mark) or are they sons of disobedience?
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Try reading it slow.
Here I will highlight the pertinent part so you don't miss it again.
they are equal to the angels and are sons of God
Angels are sons of God.
For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; 2 Peter 2:4
Angels are called sons of God.
- they are equal to the angels and are sons of God
35 But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; 36 nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.
Luke 20:35-36
JLB
chessman
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It's all pertinent, thus your problem.
They are NOT a person who is cast down to Hell.
Notice how pertinent it is to read who the "they" are in; "they are equal to the angels and are sons of God"
But since it's not read, it's not pertinent to you.
Have the angels who sinned attained resurrection from the dead?
OK. Then that settles it. There are NO verses about God sending His sons into hell. Angels are a different matter.
Not all humans are sons of God. Only believers.
If the Bible mentioned believers who are cast into hell, you'd have a point. But since are no such verses, there is no point.
I said this:
"Interesting. Jesus said that those He gives eternal life shall never perish.
What verse says that God sends His sons to hell?"
Well, even though I've supported my statement with a verse, I'm sure there will still be no response to that verse.
How does one justify the belief that salvation can be lost when Jesus said this:
"I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand." Jn 10:28
"Interesting. Jesus said that those He gives eternal life shall never perish.
What verse says that God sends His sons to hell?"
Really? As many times as I've quoted John 10:28 you still don't remember how it goes??
Well, even though I've supported my statement with a verse, I'm sure there will still be no response to that verse.
How does one justify the belief that salvation can be lost when Jesus said this:
"I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand." Jn 10:28
civilwarbuff
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God don't need to send anyone to hell......we do a good enough job of that all by our lonesomes....