Bible Study So you want to keep the Sabbath

[Truthfrees]

that's is odd, my dad and grandparents were conservative, aunt too. I know that those have women( mayim balik Is a type of orthodox and the temple my grandparents went to was similar in the way they sat apart).

yes women sit separate in orthodox and chasidic

are you saying in your conservative shul the women sit separate?

do you guys call shul temple?

 

[Truthfrees]

Who knows, maybe God is preparing to recall the Sabbath , I've wanted to visit a 7DA out of curiosity. Many years I was limited to Wednesday worship because my jobs sometimes required weekend work ..

i'm not sure about 7th day adventist but i think they believe keeping shabbat is necessary for salvation

if God is calling you to shabbat you will be blessed with the joy to do it and then the joy of the blessings that follow

our lives change when we started doing it

God Bless you dear friend

 

[jasonc]

yes women sit separate in orthodox and chasidic

are you saying in your conservative shul the women sit separate?

I wasn't raised in the temple. My dad was. that is what he remembers. he didn't care for the temple. what I know is from reading, asking and also going to Chabad.org and also sadly a few funerals. my grandparents and uncle are resting at mt.nebo gardens in Miami. my family on that side who do attend temple aren't as conservative or attend some that are more liberal in their torah. I know they being from savannah to include my grandfather attended the first temple built in America and the oldest. temple mikvah Isreal.

my grandma being a kline probably attended that temple but her birth place isn't known to me. she did have that southern accent and lived and loved savannah, ga.

 

[jasonc]

if you visit savannah, you find a decent size jewish population there and buried. chiefly of my family at boneventure a historical cemetery that predates the nation. I went there to see my family history and to meet one of the others. oral stories of the street namesake and insurance building are legends to me and my brother.

 

[Truthfrees]

I wasn't raised in the temple. My dad was. that is what he remembers. he didn't care for the temple. what I know is from reading, asking and also going to Chabad.org and also sadly a few funerals. my grandparents and uncle are resting at mt.nebo gardens in Miami. my family on that side who do attend temple aren't as conservative or attend some that are more liberal in their torah. I know they being from savannah to include my grandfather attended the first temple built in America and the oldest. temple mikvah Isreal.

my grandma being a kline probably attended that temple but her birth place isn't known to me. she did have that southern accent and lived and loved savannah, ga.

wow

awesome

so they called shul "temple"?

we were told there is only 1 temple in jerusalem - and all others are synagogue or shul

we haven't been to a liberal reform shul yet - i don't think we will

we also won't go to orthodox or chabad if we can't sit together as a family

we are interested in going to a messianic shul - but right now we are quite active in our shul so we wait for God to instruct us on what He wants

God Bless you

 

[Truthfrees]

if you visit savannah, you find a decent size jewish population there and buried. chiefly of my family at boneventure a historical cemetery that predates the nation. I went there to see my family history and to meet one of the others. oral stories of the street namesake and insurance building are legends to me and my brother.

love it - this is special

 

[brujaq]

i'm not sure about 7th day adventist but i think they believe keeping shabbat is necessary for salvation

Thanx , I agree about the Ellen White BS .. I worked with a couple and they were both very knowledgeable and good friends and I love Walter Veiths teaching on creation.. I know pretty much all different church doctrines so if I drink any poison it will not harm me, they all get a little wrong and they all get some right ..

 

[jasonc]

love it - this is special

I wont derail the thread on the oral story and also the lineage I have from Odessa, Russia.
in short , I am the son of jerry, the son of harris, the son of Jacob. when we want to know where we are related my grandparents wedding photo is used of simply which of the six sons of Jacob are you related to?

 

[jasonc]

wow

awesome

so they called shul "temple"?

we were told there is only 1 temple in jerusalem - and all others are synagogue or shul

we haven't been to a liberal reform shul yet - i don't think we will

we also won't go to orthodox or chabad if we can't sit together as a family

we are interested in going to a messianic shul - but right now we are quite active in our shul so we wait for God to instruct us on what He wants

God Bless you

http://mickveisrael.org/

correction, third oldest. I have photos of this and they have tours. we will degress if I go into the gothic architecture of this.

 

[Truthfrees]

Thanx , I agree about the Ellen White BS .. I worked with a couple and they were both very knowledgeable and good friends and I love Walter Veiths teaching on creation.. I know pretty much all different church doctrines so if I drink any poison it will not harm me, they all get a little wrong and they all get some right ..

amen

this sounds exciting

praying in support of whatever God is leading you to do

it will be awesome what ever He instructs you to do

God Bless you

 

[Truthfrees]

I wont derail the thread on the oral story and also the lineage I have from Odessa, Russia.
in short , I am the son of jerry, the son of harris, the son of Jacob. when we want to know where we are related my grandparents wedding photo is used of simply which of the six sons of Jacob are you related to?

don't know

we are anusim - so still working through the steps to take to find the roots

 

[jasonc]

don't know

we are anusim - so still working through the steps to take to find the roots

I found it through a relative(besides my dad) and he posted the stories and also the lineage records online.

 

[Jim Parker]

Or, you can be led by the Spirit.
But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. Galatians 5:18
JLB

Eggs Ackley

 

[Truthfrees]

I found it through a relative(besides my dad) and he posted the stories and also the lineage records online.

like ancestry.com?

 

[jasonc]

like ancestry.com?

No,family page ,the records via temples .births,deaths,immigrantion records.jacob the father of Harris left Odessa in.1890.that isn't that long ago.Harris 1917 -2000.he was near the middle of six.his nephew who died recently served in.ww2,as did harris.

 

[Jim Parker]

keeping Sabbath was given even before the law was given:
1. Genesis 2:1-2
2. Exodus 16:26-30
3. Exodus 20:10-11
4. Exodus 23:12

Gen 2:1-2 doesn't really "give" anything. It is a report that God quit creating at the end of the 6th day and did not create anything on the 7th day. God does not require any rest like we do.
The Exodus references are all part of the law of Moses so they cannot have come before the Law of Moses.

right?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Hello Jim, nice to see you again.

The problem with your OP is the interpretation that you put at the end on some of the scritpures, and your references to the CIVIL LAWS of Moses under the OLD Testament that had death penalties for nearly ALL of God's 10 commandments not only the 4th commandment. We are obviously not living in Israel and we are also in the NEW Covenant not the OLD. Now you asked the same question in the other thread and then started a new one here so I will just add the reply I gave earlier in the other thread to this one for balance as a few posts.

Jim Parker said: ↑
So, when you "keep the Sabbath" do you adhere to ALL of the following Sabbath commands of the LORD? (The question requires a "yes" or "no" answer. If the answer is "no" THEN offer clarification.)

EX 16:29-30 Bear in mind that the LORD has given you the Sabbath; that is why on the sixth day he gives you bread for two days. Everyone is to stay where he is on the seventh day; no one is to go out." So the people rested on the seventh day.
Don’t travel on the Sabbath.

ANSWER: YES AND NO

Firstly YES this scripture is why we have a preparation day before the 4th commandment Sabbath day. On this day all shopping and preparation BEFORE the Sabbath is to be made including preparing the food to be eaten on the Sabbath day.

Secondly, NO. The scripture CONTEXT is about collecting MANNA on the Sabbath and that God's people were not to go out on the Sabbath day to collect MANNA (v16-28). The scripture does not mean that God's people cannot go out on the Sabbath to do other things and must stay in their homes.

Jesus is our example in all things.

And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read (Luke 4:16).

Paul did the same as did most of God's people.

Act 1:12
Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day's journey.

Act 13:14
But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down.

Act 13:27
For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath day, they have fulfilled them in condemning him.

Act 13:42
And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.

Act 13:44
And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

Act 15:21
For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

Act 16:13
And on the sabbath2 we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither.

Act 17:2
And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,

Act 18:4
And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.

Ok too many scriptures........ We can go out on the Sabbath but cannot go out on the Sabbath to WORK.

Jim Parker said: ↑
EX 20:8-10 Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates.
1. Don’t you or anyone in your household do any work on the Sabbath.
2. It also includes animals which have been replaced by cars, trucks, tractors, busses, airplanes, trains, etc., So don’t work and don’t use a motor vehicle on the Sabbath.

ANSWER: NO

We do not do any work on cars, trucks, tractors, busses, airplanes, trains, etc we obey the Sabbath according to God's 4th Commandment as God guides us through FAITH and LOVE. NO houswork, and not working on cars and trucks, tractors and buses, airplanes, trains, etc.

The 4th commandment does not say anything about travel as shown in the scriptures used in the previous answer to your first scripture. No business transaction (shopping) are allowed however as this is business or work. If it was an emergency for some reason and someone life was threatened it would be lawful to do good on the Sabbath which Jesus made for all mankind.

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[LoveGodsWord]

im Parker said: ↑
EX 31:14-17 Observe the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Anyone who desecrates it must be put to death; whoever does any work on that day must be cut off from his people. For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day must be put to death. The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant. It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he abstained from work and rested.
1. The seventh day is for rest; do not work on the Sabbath.
2. Israelites are to observe the Sabbath. (not gentiles, Israelites)
3. The Sabbath is a sign between God and Israel. (That’s Israel; not gentiles - So, if someone wants to keep the Sabbath according to God’s word then the men need to be circumcised.)
4. God abstained from work and rested on the 7th day and Israel is to do the same.
5. Kill anyone who works on the Sabbath. (Maybe just members of your household)
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ANSWER: NO
This scripture you refer to is a part of the CIVIL LAW of Israel under the OLD Covenant. We are in the NEW Covenant. If you are not a part of God's Israel you are not a part of the NEW Covenant.

Who are God's Israel?

"Israel" is only a name given by God himself to represent his people. The origin of the name "Israel" come from Genesis 32:28 where Jacob wrestled with the Angel and prevailed ...for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed. Its meaning is his posterity will rule as God. Jacob had 12 sons representing the 12 tribes of Israel.

Israel is only a name given by God that represents God's people and today anyone who is following Jesus is part of God's Israel according to God's Word.

What does God's Word say.....................................…

Let God be true and every man a liar that thou might be justified in thy sayings, and might overcome when thou art judged.

Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He says not, and to seeds, as of many; but as of one, AND TO YOUR SEED, WHICH IS CHRIST (Galatians 3:16)

Abraham’s seed is Israel............................................

THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: FOR YOU ALL ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS AND IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAM'S SEED FOR YOU ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS and IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN ARE YOU ABRAHAM'S SEED, AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE (Galatians 3:28).

No explanation needed, believe God's Word, and again..........................

FOR THEY ARE NOT ALL ISRAEL WHICH ARE OF ISRAEL,: NEITHER, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, ARE THEY ALL CHILDREN: but in Isaac shall thy seed be called <Christ> That is, THEY WHICH ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE FLESH, THESE ARE NOT THE CHILDREN OF GOD: BUT THE CHILDREN OF THE PROMISE <those who believe> ARE COUNTED FOR THE SEED (Romans 9:6).

FOR HE IS NOT A JEW WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OUTWARDS IN THE FLESH: BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; and CIRCUMCISION IS OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE LETTER; whose praise is not of men, but of God. (Romans 2:28-29)

Believe the scriptures........................................ ..........................

Galatians 3:28-29,
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Colossians 3:11,
Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

Romans 10:11-13,
For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Romans 2:28-29,
For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

The New Covenant is for God's Israel..........................

Jeremiah 31:33-4,
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, says the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Hebrews 8:10-12,
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

Hebrews 10:14-17,
For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, this is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; and their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

Galatians 3:29,
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise

The New Covenant is for God's Israel which represent God’s followers the believers. If you are not part of God's Israel you are not part of the New Covenant (Hebrews 8:10-12).

God's Israel are those that believe the Word of God and follow it. This is the NEW Covenant of God's LAW written on the HEART by FAITH in His WORD and is why Jesus says If you love me keep my commandments (John 14:15) which includes the 4th Commandment which is one of the 10 Commandments.

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[LoveGodsWord]

Jim Parker said: ↑
EX 35:1-3 Moses assembled the whole Israelite community and said to them, "These are the things the LORD has commanded you to do: For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it must be put to death. Do not light a fire in any of your dwellings on the Sabbath day."
1. The command concerning keeping the Sabbath Holy came from the LORD not from Moses.
2. Rest on the Sabbath and do no work.
3. Do not light a fire in your dwelling on the Sabbath. (Furnace, oven, light bulb)

YES and NO
This scripture is in CONTEXT is in reference to using FIRE to WORK on God's Sabbath which required WORK. If it is in relation to keeping warm from the cold and all the preparation is completed BEFORE God's Sabbath and the fire is started the wood cut and no work is needed of course it is ok to have a fire going on the Sabbath because it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath which is made for man not man for the Sabbath.

We are also not under the CIVIL LAWS of Israel and are in the NEW Covenant and do not put people to death for breaking any of God's Commandments. Including most of the other of God's 10 commandments were the same death penalty was required (Not just the 4th Commandment) under the CIVIL law of Israel.

Jim Parker said: ↑
LEV 23:3 There are six days when you may work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of rest, a day of sacred assembly. You are not to do any work; wherever you live, it is a Sabbath to the LORD.
DT 5:12-14 Observe the Sabbath day by keeping it holy, as the LORD your God has commanded you. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your ox, your donkey or any of your animals, nor the alien within your gates, so that your manservant and maidservant may rest, as you do.

Don’t use any utility (electricity, gas, internet, telephone, etc.) or public service (roads, police, radio, TV, bus, etc.) because that requires someone to work on the Sabbath in order to provide the service.
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YES we follow the scriptures but not your interpretation of the scripture posted underneath the scripture.
We follow God's Commandment by Faith through LOVE because we BELIEVE and FOLLOW Him who calls us. Jesus taught it is lawful to do Good on God's Sabbath. It is not lawful to follow man made traditions that make the Sabbath a burden and make man for the Sabbath. The Sabbath was made for man not man for the Sabbath.

In times of ignorance God winks at but now calls all men every where to REPENT for the KINGDOM of HEAVEN is at HAND (Acts 17:30-31)

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.


Hope this help...

 

[JLB]

not yet

we're praying

God told us to stay in community with our Jewish family friends and watch what He will do

so that is why we also go to church on sundays

that is also why we listen to the nt all the time to stay fresh in the words of Christ

but the jewish service is filled with hallelujah moments that are outstanding

for example the jewish name of Jesus is said all through the 4 hour service

the prayers are all blessings rather than petitions

scripture and prayers and blessings are sung - so it's 3 hours of worship

the jewish wisdom on Tanakh is really revealing of NT truths

i have friends that go to a messianic synagogue and they are also blessed in a different way

i keep asking God if we should switch over and so far He says to stay were we are and watch Him work - which He is

in the middle east and israel Jesus is appearing to muslims and jews and they are getting saved gloriously

we're praying for that in our synagogue

God Bless you my friend

Amen.

I understand your position of the Sabbath, better now that you have explained some things to me.

You will be much better received by them in your witnessing if your are observing the Sabbath as you are doing.

God bless you guys and your efforts and prayers for that community.




JLB