easy believism

[chessman]

Hebrews 4 speaks much about acting TODAY, and not hardening ones heart.

Sure, the Author is quoting from Psalm 95 four the third time in this chapter. Almost as if He’d like us to sing the whole Psalm. It’s a great song of joy to the rock of “our salvation”:

Come, let us sing for joy to Yahweh; let us shout joyfully to the rock of our salvation. Let us come before his presence with thanksgiving; with songs let us shout joyfully to him.​

Psalm 95:1-2 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Psalm 95:1-2&version=LEB

Yet also a condemnation of those whom do not know His ways:

For forty years I loathed that generation, and said, ‘ They are a people whose heart wanders. And my ways they do not know.’​

Psalm 95:10 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Psalm 95:10&version=LEB

 

[JLB]

While I agree with this, it does not account for grace. Take a drunkard for example, or better yet, a homosexual.

If both are trying, but the backslide in a moment of weakness, have they lost their salvation?

Human nature is complicated.

God’s grace is continually drawing the backslider back to return to the Lord.

The back slider must obey and return to the Lord to be reconciled just as it was with initial salvation.

Obedience and repentance by virtue of God’s wonderful grace.

Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, 20 let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul[f] from death and cover a multitude of sins.
James 5:19-20


The person who is lost whether unbeliever or saint, must return to the loving and merciful Father, in order to be found.



JLB

 

[JLB]

No. I didn’t say anything about us being granted a status (mediocre, good, great or perfect).

I have simply pointed out Christ’s teaching us
that He has given us the glory which the Father has given to Christ. He even teaches us why (in order that) He’s done that:

I glorified You on the earth, having accomplished the work which You have given to Me that I should do. ​

...​

And I have given them the glory which You have given to Me in order that they may be one just as We are one, I in them and You in Me; in order that they may be perfected into one— in order that the world may be knowing that You sent Me forth, and loved them just as You loved Me.​

John 17:4,22-23 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=John 17:4,22-23&version=DLNT

Yes, and of course Judas is included in that statement, which shows us it is The each persons choice to obey or not to obey.


John says it this way -

Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 1 John 3:7



JLB

 

[JLB]

I didn’t say our future sins are forgiven at the moment we first believe.

What I said was His blood covers our sins (past and future sins).

Ok. Fair enough.

Please share the scripture that says our future sins are covered by the blood of Jesus.


JLB

 

[ezrider]

Ok. Fair enough.

Please share the scripture that says our future sins are covered by the blood of Jesus.


JLB

I don't mean to jump in the middle of your conversation with chessman, but without going back and looking, I think you asked this question of him before.

I think both you and I agree that the shed blood of Christ sealed the covenant sworn and promised to Abraham. We would typically refer to it as the blood of the new covenant.

Can you show us in the scripture where any future sin under this new covenant is actually imputed unto man?

 

[chessman]

and of course Judas is included in that statement,

Incorrect. Judas had been identified as the unbeliver and betrayer and then Satan entered him and then immediately directed to leave their company (back in John 14). Judas had gone by the nightfall of Jesus’s teaching and prayer and hour of the John 17 passage:

Jesus replied, “It is he to whom I dip the piece of bread and give it to him.” Then after dipping the piece of bread, he gave it to Judas son of Simon Iscariot. And after the piece of bread, then Satan entered into him. Then Jesus said to him, “What you are doing, do quickly!” So after he had taken the piece of bread, he went out immediately. And it was night.​

John 13:26-27,30 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=John 13:26-27,30&version=LEB

which shows us it is The each persons choice to obey or not to obey.

False statements show us false facts.

 

[ezrider]

Jesus' words alone, no ONE of anyone else. It would be good to NOT pitch paul at another servants words against the master him Lord Jesus Christ. here is WHY easy believism doctrine is straight from the devil. Please reply with Christ's words alone /\ . after all the MASTER cannot be countered contradicted or explained by His servant.

I'm sorry but I do not understand the relevance of your comment to my post. Could you please clarify? Are you telling me that I am quoting Paul's words and that I should not be quoting them? Because that is what it sounds like to me. Maybe I am misunderstanding what you are trying to say. Without explaining how the scriptures you posted in your response relate to the comment I made, them I must tell you that your message is incoherent to me at best. I'm sorry to say that, but perhaps you would be better to explain what you want to say in your own words rather than just post random scripture. I'm not interested in you telling me the words of the book, I already have them for myself. What I want to hear is the word of God as it is written on your heart.

Please do not be offended, but is this really the message of Christ that the Lord has written upon your heart?

 

[chessman]

Please share the scripture that says our future sins are covered by the blood of Jesus.

So-then, my brothers, you also were put-to-death with reference to the Law through the body of Christ so that you might come to a different One— to the One having arisen from the dead— in order that we might bear-fruit for God. For when we were in the flesh, the passions of sins which were through the Law were at-work in our body-parts so as to bear-fruit for death. But now we were released from the Law, having died to that by which we were being held, so that we are serving in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter.​

Romans 7:4-6 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Romans 7:4-6&version=DLNT

Key points: you also were put-to-death with reference to the Law through the body of Christ , we were released from the Law of death

Brothers of Christ have been released from the law of sin and death through (you guessed it) “the body of Christ” (not ours).

 

[gr8grace3]

Here is who will receive eternal life.

• eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality

God who “will render to each one according to his deeds”: eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality; Romans 2:5-7



JLB

And how you interpret these verses is what I believe 'easy believism' Is. You have your scale of how much good you must do.......Easy. I can do the same thing and my curve of my good would save me every time also.

But, to give up on my good and my own righteousness......and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ ALONE is very difficult for us.

 

[JLB]

I don't mean to jump in the middle of your conversation with chessman, but without going back and looking, I think you asked this question of him before.

I think both you and I agree that the shed blood of Christ sealed the covenant sworn and promised to Abraham. We would typically refer to it as the blood of the new covenant.

Can you show us in the scripture where any future sin under this new covenant is actually imputed unto man?

8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1 John 1:8

John teaches that we as Christians still have sin.


9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 1 John 1:9


He also teaches us that we can be forgiven and cleansed if we confess our sins.



JLB

 

[JLB]

Incorrect. Judas had been identified as the unbeliver and betrayer and then Satan entered him and then immediately directed to leave their company (back in John 14). Judas had gone by the nightfall of Jesus’s teaching and prayer and hour of the John 17 passage:

Jesus replied, “It is he to whom I dip the piece of bread and give it to him.” Then after dipping the piece of bread, he gave it to Judas son of Simon Iscariot. And after the piece of bread, then Satan entered into him. Then Jesus said to him, “What you are doing, do quickly!” So after he had taken the piece of bread, he went out immediately. And it was night.John 13:26-27,30 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=John 13:26-27,30&version=LEB

Again, Judas was included in His disciples.


6 “I have manifested Your name to the men whom You have given Me out of the world. They were Yours, You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word. 7 Now they have known that all things which You have given Me are from You. 8 For I have given to them the words which You have given Me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came forth from You; and they have believed that You sent Me.
John 17:6-8

Judas was chosen as one of the twelve disciples and then was promoted to be an Apostle, in which he was empowered and sent out as one of His sheep to preach the Gospel to the lost.

Judas believed that Jesus was sent from God just as the scripture says.

Judas chose to betray Jesus, and fell by transgression.


JLB

 

[JLB]

And how you interpret these verses is what I believe 'easy believism' Is. You have your scale of how much good you must do.......Easy. I can do the same thing and my curve of my good would save me every time also.

But, to give up on my good and my own righteousness......and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ ALONE is very difficult for us.

I have no such scale of how much good I must do.

I have the scriptures that teach me the truth.


Here is who will receive eternal life.

• those who have done good, to the resurrection of life

Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. John 5:28-29

again


5 But in accordance with your hardness and your impenitent heart you are treasuring up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, 6 who “will render to each one according to his deeds”: 7 eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality; 8 but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath, Romans 2:5-8

• eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality;

JLB

 

[chessman]

I have the scriptures that teach me the truth.

Does this Scripture teach you that Jesus told Judas to do what he had been doing quicker?

And after the piece-of-bread, at that time Satan entered into that one [Judas]. Then Jesus says to him, “What you are doing, do quicker ”.​

John 13:27 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=John 13:27&version=DLNT

 

[JLB]

Does this Scripture teach you that Jesus told Judas to do what he had been doing quicker?

And after the piece-of-bread, at that time Satan entered into that one [Judas]. Then Jesus says to him, “What you are doing, do quicker ”.​

John 13:27 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=John 13:27&version=DLNT

Yes.

Judas chose to betray Jesus of heaven s own free will.

God did not force Judas to betray Jesus.

Judas was predestined to reign and rule with Christ and the other 11.

Judas traded his inheritance for a bag of silver.


So Jesus said to them, “Assuredly I say to you, that in the regeneration, when the Son of Man sits on the throne of His glory, you who have followed Me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
Matthew 19:28



JLB

 

[gr8grace3]

I have no such scale of how much good I must do.

I have the scriptures that teach me the truth.


Here is who will receive eternal life.

• those who have done good, to the resurrection of life

You have an obligation to us. And so do those who have turned this site into what it is.

How much good?

How much fruit?

How much of a lifestyle change?

How much of behavior change?

How many commandments must we follow?

How many times can we fail?

How many times must we succeed?

At what time does anything become habitual?

What is EXACTLY a lifestyle of anything?

How much do we exactly have to follow?

How many times can we fail?

How much good is 'good?'

How much bad is enough to send His Children to the LoF?

And so many more. Don't you see?

Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and You WILL be saved.........Acts 16:31.

 

[JLB]

You have an obligation to us. And so do those who have turned this site into what it is.

How much good?

How much fruit?

How much of a lifestyle change?

How much of behavior change?

How many commandments must we follow?

How many times can we fail?

How many times must we succeed?

At what time does anything become habitual?

What is EXACTLY a lifestyle of anything?

How much do we exactly have to follow?

How many times can we fail?

How much good is 'good?'

How much bad is enough to send His Children to the LoF?

That is up to the Judge.

If you confess your sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us and cleanse us of all our unrighteousness.

Keep walking and believing and set your heart and mind to love Him and be led by His Spirit.



JLB

 

[chessman]

Yes.

Excellent.

Does this Scripture teach you that Judas went out from them then, before the conversation occuring in John 17?

So having received the piece-of-bread, that one went out immediately. And it was night.​

John 13:30 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=John 13:30&version=DLNT

So Jesus said to them, “Assuredly I say to you, that in the regeneration, when the Son of Man sits on the throne of His glory, you who have followed Me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
Matthew 19:28

Does this Scripture teach you that Peter (one of His disciples) did not understand the reason he was NOT able to follow Jesus right then?

Peter says to Him, “Lord, for what reason am I not able to follow You right-now? I will lay- down my life for You”.​

John 13:37 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=John 13:37&version=DLNT

Does this Scripture teach you that the disciples did not understand how to be saved at the time of Matt 19 (when Judas was still being discipled)?

And having heard it, the disciples were extremely astounded, saying, “Who then can be saved?” And having looked at them, Jesus said to them, “With humans, this is impossible. But with God, all things are possible”.​

Matthew 19:25-26 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Matthew 19:25-26&version=DLNT

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[JLB]

Excellent.

Does this Scripture teach you that Judas went out from them then, before the conversation occuring in John 17?

Yes, John 17 was after the last supper.




Was Jesus speaking to the twelve disciples in this statement?


So Jesus said to them, “Assuredly I say to you, that in the regeneration, when the Son of Man sits on the throne of His glory, you who have followed Me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. Matthew 19:28



JLB

 

[ezra]

You have an obligation to us. And so do those who have turned this site into what it is.

How much good?

How much fruit?

How much of a lifestyle change?

How much of behavior change?

How many commandments must we follow?

How many times can we fail?

How many times must we succeed?

At what time does anything become habitual?

What is EXACTLY a lifestyle of anything?

How much do we exactly have to follow?

How many times can we fail?

How much good is 'good?'

How much bad is enough to send His Children to the LoF?

And so many more. Don't you see?

Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and You WILL be saved.........Acts 16:31.

you can never do enough good. .if you had to do lots of good then it would NO LONGER BE GRACE {
How many times can we fail?} the scripture says his mercy endures forever nad we can approach the Throne of Grace any time..

 

[JLB]

Does this Scripture teach you that Peter (one of His disciples) did not understand the reason he was NOT able to follow Jesus right then?

Peter says to Him, “Lord, for what reason am I not able to follow You right-now? I will lay- down my life for You”.John 13:37 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=John 13:37&version=DLNT

36 Simon Peter said to Him, “Lord, where are You going?”

Jesus answered him, “Where I am going you cannot follow Me now, but you shall follow Me afterward.”

37 Peter said to Him, “Lord, why can I not follow You now? I will lay down my life for Your sake.”

38 Jesus answered him, “Will you lay down your life for My sake? Most assuredly, I say to you, the rooster shall not crow till you have denied Me three times. John 13:36-38


Yes, the point was None of the disciples were going to follow Jesus were He was going.


Not because they were unwilling, but because they were not the Messiah, the One who takes away the sin of the world.


65 And He said, “Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father.” 66 From that time many of His disciples went back and walked with Him no more. 67 Then Jesus said to the twelve, “Do you also want to go away?”68 But Simon Peter answered Him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. 69 Also we have come to believe and know that You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
John 6:65-69


Was Judas among the twelve when Peter said this -

• we have come to believe and know that You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.

JLB