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The Word of God proclaims, “A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent” (1 Timothy 2:11–12). In the church, God assigns different roles to men and women. This is a result of the way mankind was created and the way in which sin entered the world (1 Timothy 2:13–14). God, through the apostle Paul, restricts women from serving in roles of teaching and/or having spiritual authority over men. This precludes women from serving as pastors over men, which definitely includes preaching to them, teaching them publicly, and exercising spiritual authority over them.

Yet another objection to this interpretation of women in pastoral ministry is in relation to women who held positions of leadership in the Bible, specifically Miriam, Deborah, and Huldah in the Old Testament. It is true that these women were chosen by God for special service to Him and that they stand as models of faith, courage, and, yes, leadership. However, the authority of women in the Old Testament is not relevant to the issue of pastors in the church. The New Testament Epistles present a new paradigm for God’s people—the church, the body of Christ—and that paradigm involves an authority structure unique to the church, not for the nation of Israel or any other Old Testament entity.

Similar arguments are made using Priscilla and Phoebe in the New Testament. In Acts 18, Priscilla and Aquila are presented as faithful ministers for Christ. Priscilla’s name is mentioned first, perhaps indicating that she was more prominent in ministry than her husband. Did Priscilla and her husband teach the gospel of Jesus Christ to Apollos? Yes, in their home they “explained to him the way of God more adequately” (Acts 18:26). Does the Bible ever say that Priscilla pastored a church or taught publicly or became the spiritual leader of a congregation of saints? No. As far as we know, Priscilla was not involved in ministry activity in contradiction to 1 Timothy 2:11–14.

In Romans 16:1, Phoebe is called a “deacon” (or “servant”) in the church and is highly commended by Paul. But, as with Priscilla, there is nothing in Scripture to indicate that Phoebe was a pastor or a teacher of men in the church. “Able to teach” is given as a qualification for elders, but not for deacons (1 Timothy 3:1–13; Titus 1:6–9).

The structure of 1 Timothy 2:11–14 makes the reason why women cannot be pastors perfectly clear. Verse 13 begins with “for,” giving the “cause” of Paul’s statement in verses 11–12. Why should women not teach or have authority over men? Because “Adam was created first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived” (verses 13–14). God created Adam first and then created Eve to be a “helper” for Adam. The order of creation has universal application in the family (Ephesians 5:22–33) and in the church.
 
The Word of God proclaims, “A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent” (1 Timothy 2:11–12). In the church, God assigns different roles to men and women. This is a result of the way mankind was created and the way in which sin entered the world (1 Timothy 2:13–14). God, through the apostle Paul, restricts women from serving in roles of teaching and/or having spiritual authority over men. This precludes women from serving as pastors over men, which definitely includes preaching to them, teaching them publicly, and exercising spiritual authority over them.

Yet another objection to this interpretation of women in pastoral ministry is in relation to women who held positions of leadership in the Bible, specifically Miriam, Deborah, and Huldah in the Old Testament. It is true that these women were chosen by God for special service to Him and that they stand as models of faith, courage, and, yes, leadership. However, the authority of women in the Old Testament is not relevant to the issue of pastors in the church. The New Testament Epistles present a new paradigm for God’s people—the church, the body of Christ—and that paradigm involves an authority structure unique to the church, not for the nation of Israel or any other Old Testament entity.

Similar arguments are made using Priscilla and Phoebe in the New Testament. In Acts 18, Priscilla and Aquila are presented as faithful ministers for Christ. Priscilla’s name is mentioned first, perhaps indicating that she was more prominent in ministry than her husband. Did Priscilla and her husband teach the gospel of Jesus Christ to Apollos? Yes, in their home they “explained to him the way of God more adequately” (Acts 18:26). Does the Bible ever say that Priscilla pastored a church or taught publicly or became the spiritual leader of a congregation of saints? No. As far as we know, Priscilla was not involved in ministry activity in contradiction to 1 Timothy 2:11–14.

In Romans 16:1, Phoebe is called a “deacon” (or “servant”) in the church and is highly commended by Paul. But, as with Priscilla, there is nothing in Scripture to indicate that Phoebe was a pastor or a teacher of men in the church. “Able to teach” is given as a qualification for elders, but not for deacons (1 Timothy 3:1–13; Titus 1:6–9).

The structure of 1 Timothy 2:11–14 makes the reason why women cannot be pastors perfectly clear. Verse 13 begins with “for,” giving the “cause” of Paul’s statement in verses 11–12. Why should women not teach or have authority over men? Because “Adam was created first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived” (verses 13–14). God created Adam first and then created Eve to be a “helper” for Adam. The order of creation has universal application in the family (Ephesians 5:22–33) and in the church.
Lol. That popcorn must be nutritional.
 
Specific information is in the Scripture. The pedigree of any prophet is whether or not their utterances come to pass, and are in compliance with all of the Word of God through Christ.

God makes this very clear.
Agreed. I would have said: "foretelling the future, speaking a new message from God to the people", but your definition works.
Since for_his_glory said she did prophesied I was more interested in her definition ... and then how she fulfilled that definition.
 
Best wishes on that.
She's pretty smart. I think she may come up with something ... in fact, "I ALMOST PROPHESIZE she will come up with something."
Aside: Yeah, I know there are no degrees or 'almost' when it comes to phophecy .... using poetic license.
 
She's pretty smart. I think she may come up with something ... in fact, "I ALMOST PROPHESIZE she will come up with something."
Aside: Yeah, I know there are no degrees or 'almost' when it comes to phophecy .... using poetic license.
Very smart. Very defensive.
 
for_his_glory
Define what you mean by prophesying? (dictionary: to utter by or as if by divine inspiration.)
and what specific information have you been given by God?
Prophecy is an inspired word of God given us through the Holy Spirit that speaks through others as in lifting up, edifying the body of Christ or instruction in His righteousness to establish His pure church. It's been so long ago that I have prophesied in a church and can't remember the exact words, but it was for instruction that we remain in God's righteousness as some, including the Pastor where becoming self-righteous. I also was given to prophecy over a young man that was about to become a Pastor as God said for Him to wait until he was equipped and anointed by the Holy Spirit before he would start his ministry.
 
Prophecy is an inspired word of God given us through the Holy Spirit that speaks through others as in lifting up, edifying the body of Christ or instruction in His righteousness to establish His pure church.
Ah, by that definition of prophecy I agree you. Thx I tend to use the word 'prophecy' in a more restricted sense, but I see your point.

I told you Jacob62 that she'd come up with something.
 
We're all defensive.... pride thing.

Those that are smart are only so in comparison to others who are not. A smart guy told me that. In my defense, I didn't believe him.
Being axiomatic in nature as outlined in Scripture, gender distinctions are ultimately self explanatory. Paul in his letters needed to only briefly touch on them. In fact, Men were to be accountable for their wives' behavior, as a requirement for eldership.
 
I believe the Bible is indeed the Word of God. With that said, there is no one I've ever met who obeys every instruction in it. Not even you. Phrases like "I have unconditional love" are thrown around as fact, when in reality, I've never met anyone who practiced it. We strive to obey yet we don't.
This is what I've seen time after time. Legalism often leads to self-righteousness. Self-righteousness often leads to judgment and judgment leads to condemnation. Love does not reside there.
As this world crumbles, I believe the Lord has and will call up anyone in any situation to rise up and speak/do His will.
If you are in a boat in the middle of an ocean with 6 disobedient/immature Christian men and one obedient/mature Christian woman. Which will be the voice/spiritual leader there? The same vice-versa? If the person speaks the Truth of God, that is what I listen for.
Why try to do an impossible task?
If it is not possible to obey God in all things, what is the use of your trying?
I have some good news for you...it is possible.

BTW, in your "boat" situation, I would be the Spiritual leader, as the Christian woman would defer to me.
 
Why try to do an impossible task?
If it is not possible to obey God in all things, what is the use of your trying?
I have some good news for you...it is possible.

BTW, in your "boat" situation, I would be the Spiritual leader, as the Christian woman would defer to me.
You place yourself pretty high. I'm not sure the other men on that boat would go along with that. You have to have humility to serve God effectively. Otherwise your just serving yourself.
 
You speculate, but give nothing of material significance. You just feel like you prophecy. Though, I am sure you are sincere.

A true prophet will not be a slave to defending herself, as you have consistently done in here. A true prophet will not ignore God's appointed authority of a Man over a woman.
You behave the way I would expect Satan behaves as prosecutor against us in a trial against us for our souls. You attack using legalisms. You judge using legalisms. You condemn using legalisms. I have not seen you show much, if any, fruits of the Spirit here.
 
You behave the way I would expect Satan behaves as prosecutor against us in a trial against us for our souls. You attack using legalisms. You judge using legalisms. You condemn using legalisms. I have not seen you show much, if any, fruits of the Spirit here.
Has someone here claimed to be a prophet? Yes, they have. They are to show the reality of it, beginning with a gracious attitude, rather than being so defensive and unkind. Sound reasonable?

Blessing.

Oh, BTW, talk is not behavior. You just feel like it is. Thanks for being aware of this.
 
From Jacob's posts, he seems like he has a chip on his shoulder regarding women.
It is good you are seeing these issues, now. Some day, churches will be asking for transgender pastors. Lol.

Glory to God for His Wisdom upon gender distinctions regarding authority.
 
Some day, churches will be asking for transgender pastors. Lol.
My nephew already goes to such a church (I use the term loosely). Technically, they don't necessarily seek a transgender pastor, but they would not reject a candidate for being transgender.
 
You speculate, but give nothing of material significance. You just feel like you prophecy. Though, I am sure you are sincere.

A true prophet will not be a slave to defending herself, as you have consistently done in here. A true prophet will not ignore God's appointed authority of a Man over a woman.
If you would have asked me like Fastfredy0 you would have seen I do not speculate, but only give what God gives me to speak through His Holy Spirit.

I have no need to defend myself to you or anyone else, as even before God I could not defend myself.
 
My nephew already goes to such a church (I use the term loosely). Technically, they don't necessarily seek a transgender pastor, but they would not reject a candidate for being transgender.
What is this outfit's monicker? Church of the Holy Woke?
 
If you would have asked me like Fastfredy0 you would have seen I do not speculate, but only give what God gives me to speak through His Holy Spirit.

I have no need to defend myself to you or anyone else, as even before God I could not defend myself.
So true. God wonderfully delivers all His faithful from needing to over explain their feelings upon all matters.

What alerts you to God having something for you to speak from Him? Is it an intuitive feeling?
 

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