Works for Salvation: Humility

[donadams]

The promise is not speaking of Infant baptism.Water baptism does not save.

they have the same promise, if they believe they also can be saved.

No...The promise is the promise of the Covenant of Grace

This also deals with the work of the Spirit in new birth, not water baptism

Nicodemus was a jew, who did not teach Christian Baptism, this is RC.nonsense.

Does not say infants were there.

Not one verse baptism infants

No. We are not made into Christians by works that we do, water baptism is us doing something.

This is not water baptism.Where does it mention water at all?

All infants are not saved. If they were, they would grow up already saved, they do not. Mafia people were sprinkled as infants. It did not save any of them.

Another invented anti scriptural idea.

Complete nonsense.

Complete unbiblical fantasy, All died in Adam.

Context of Jn 3:5 “born again”

John1:26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not; (John prepared the way by baptism)

John 2:6 And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece. (Old covenant prefiguring of baptism, purification from sin)(His disciples believed because the ever Virgin mother of God interceded Jn 2:11)

John3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. (Baptism)

(Key verse! Actions speak louder than words: verse 22)

John 3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized. 23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.(Baptism / water)

John 4:1 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John.

Born again means Baptismal regeneration! Not salvation proper but the beginning of salvation, union with God and the communion of saints by the grace of Jesus Christ the mediator of the new covenant!
Jn 15:4 Matt 24:13


baptismal regeneration!
A new creation in Christ! 2 cor 5:17
Jn 1 JTB prepared the way by baptism!
Jn 2 the waters of purification are OT prefigurement of baptism!
Jn 3:5 born again means baptism
Jn 3:22 they immediately went to the river! Not to preach “accept Christ as personal lord and savior”
But to BAPTIZE!!!




Baptism intentions

Christian sacrament of baptism:

The cos of justification, the cos of union with God and His saints thru the mediator Jesus Christ being filled with sanctifying grace and Christian virtues! The begging of salvation, abiding in Christ and grace, enduring to the end!

Fundamentalist Protestant baptism:

Only a public confession of the faith by which you are already saved!
Or
Believers baptism which renders baptism meaningless!


Proper intention of valid baptism:

The initiation into the new covenant of grace unto the salvation of the soul, nicene creed, “one baptism for the forgiveness of sins”.

Brought to life. Jn 14:6 eph 2:1 quickened.

Jesus Christ the means of grace: Jn 1:16-17 Gal 3:27

Union with the body of Christ, the new covenant, the kingdom, the household of faith, the communion of saint thru Christ the mediator! 2 pet 1:11

Washed clean by God: ez 36:25-27

Sealed by God in the ark of salvation: eph 1:13

 

[donadams]

No...

Then how?

Did they go to Jerusalem and preach the fundamentalist error of “accept Christ as your personal lord and savior”? Or did the go to the river (water) and baptize!

Jn 3:22 the river!

 

[donadams]

Chapter 16Of Good Works
1 Good works are only such as God hath a commanded in his Holy Word, and not such as without the warrant thereof are devised by men out of blind zeal, or upon any pretence of good intentions. (Mic 6:8; Heb 13:21; b Mat 15:9; Isa 29:13)
2 These good works, done in obedience to God’s commandments,
are the fruits and evidences of a true and lively faith;
and by them believers manifest their thankfulness,
strengthen their assurance,
edify their brethren,
adorn the profession of the gospel,
stop the mouths of the adversaries, and glorify God, whose workmanship they are,
created in Christ Jesus thereunto,
that having their fruit unto holiness they may have the end eternal life.( Jam 2:18,22; Psa 116:12-13; e 1Jo 2:3,5; 2Pe 1:5-11; f Mat 5:16; g 1Ti 6:1; 1Pe 2:15; Phi 1:11; Eph 2:10; I Rom 6:22)

3 Their ability to do good works is not at all of themselves, but wholly from the Spirit of Christ; and that they may be enabled thereunto, besides the graces they have already received, there is necessary and actual influence of the same Holy Spirit, to work in them to will and to do of his good pleasure; yet they are not hereupon to grow negligent, as if they were not bound to perform any duty, unless upon a special motion of the Spirit, but they ought to be diligent in stirring up the grace of God that is in them.( Joh 15:4-5; l 2Co 3:5; Phi 2:13; Phi 2:12; Heb 6:11-12; Isa 64:7)

4 They who in their obedience attain to the greatest height which is possible in this life, are so far from being able to supererogate, and to do more than God requires, as that they fall short of much which in duty they are bound to do. (Job 9:2-3; Gal 5:17; Luk 17:10)

5 We cannot by our best works merit pardon of sin or eternal life at the hand of God, by reason of the great disproportion that is between them and the glory to come, and the infinite distance that is between us and God, whom by them we can neither profit nor satisfy for the debt of our former sins; but when we have done all we can, we have done but our duty, and are unprofitable servants; and because as they are good they proceed from his Spirit, and as they are wrought by us they are defiled and mixed with so much weakness and imperfection, that they cannot endure the severity of God’s punishment.(o Rom 3:20; Eph 2:8-9; Rom 4:6; Gal 5:22-23; Isa 64:6; Psa 143:2)

6 Yet notwithstanding the persons of believers being accepted through Christ, their good works also are accepted in him; not as though they were in this life wholly un-blameable and unreprovable in God’s sight, but that he, looking upon them in his Son, is pleased to accept and reward that which is sincere, although accompanied with many weaknesses and imperfections.( Eph 1:6; 1Pe 2:5; s Mat 25:21,23; Heb 6:10)

7 Works done by unregenerate men, although for the matter of them they may be things which God commands, and of good use both to themselves and others; yet because they proceed not from a heart purified by faith, nor are done in a right manner according to the Word, nor to a right end, the glory of God, they are therefore sinful, and cannot please God, nor make a man meet to receive grace from God, and yet their neglect of them is more sinful and a displeasing to God. (2Ki 10:30; 1Ki 21:27,29; Gen 4:5; Heb 11:4,6; 1Co 13:1; Mat 6:2,5; Amo 5:21-22; Rom 9:16; Ti 3:5; Job 21:14-15; Mat 25:41-43

We can if we are in Christ!
His grace breathes life into all our actions!
Jn 15:4 abide in him
Jn 15:5 apart from him nothing!
Phil’s 4:13 all things in Christ!
Amen!

 

[donadams]

Asking for informational purposes. Did John bring the act of baptism out from being a sort of Temple practice to the masses?
Also, I was raised Episcopalian and therefore was baptized as an infant, but as I grew into adulthood, felt an overwhelming desire to be baptized as an adult. I have come to believe baptism to be an act of the adult Christian and not child's play. What say you? Thank you.

Also
Ez 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

Old Testament pre-figures of baptism.

Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Psalm 1:3 And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.

Psalm 36:9
For with thee is the fountain of life: in thy light shall we see light.

Song of Solomon 4:15
A fountain of gardens, a well of living waters, and streams from Lebanon.

Isaiah 41:18
I will open rivers in high places, and fountains in the midst of the valleys: I will make the wilderness a pool of water, and the dry land springs of water.

Zechariah 13:1
In that day there shall be a fountainopened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanness.

Thanks

 

[Corinth77777]

Before my phone died I was going to write what comes first

Receiving the Spirit and then having sins washed away?

Context of Jn 3:5 “born again”

John1:26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not; (John prepared the way by baptism)

John 2:6 And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece. (Old covenant prefiguring of baptism, purification from sin)(His disciples believed because the ever Virgin mother of God interceded Jn 2:11)

John3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. (Baptism)

(Key verse! Actions speak louder than words: verse 22)

John 3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized. 23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.(Baptism / water)

John 4:1 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John.

Born again means Baptismal regeneration! Not salvation proper but the beginning of salvation, union with God and the communion of saints by the grace of Jesus Christ the mediator of the new covenant!
Jn 15:4 Matt 24:13


baptismal regeneration!
A new creation in Christ! 2 cor 5:17
Jn 1 JTB prepared the way by baptism!
Jn 2 the waters of purification are OT prefigurement of baptism!
Jn 3:5 born again means baptism
Jn 3:22 they immediately went to the river! Not to preach “accept Christ as personal lord and savior”
But to BAPTIZE!!!




Baptism intentions

Christian sacrament of baptism:

The cos of justification, the cos of union with God and His saints thru the mediator Jesus Christ being filled with sanctifying grace and Christian virtues! The begging of salvation, abiding in Christ and grace, enduring to the end!

Fundamentalist Protestant baptism:

Only a public confession of the faith by which you are already saved!
Or
Believers baptism which renders baptism meaningless!


Proper intention of valid baptism:

The initiation into the new covenant of grace unto the salvation of the soul, nicene creed, “one baptism for the forgiveness of sins”.

Brought to life. Jn 14:6 eph 2:1 quickened.

Jesus Christ the means of grace: Jn 1:16-17 Gal 3:27

Union with the body of Christ, the new covenant, the kingdom, the household of faith, the communion of saint thru Christ the mediator! 2 pet 1:11

Washed clean by God: ez 36:25-27

Sealed by God in the ark of salvation: eph 1:13

If one does not have peace with God then none of their knowledge matters. Etenal life is that they may know the only true God and Jesus Christ who He has sent.

 

[Corinth77777]

Also
Ez 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

Old Testament pre-figures of baptism.

Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Psalm 1:3 And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.

Psalm 36:9
For with thee is the fountain of life: in thy light shall we see light.

Song of Solomon 4:15
A fountain of gardens, a well of living waters, and streams from Lebanon.

Isaiah 41:18
I will open rivers in high places, and fountains in the midst of the valleys: I will make the wilderness a pool of water, and the dry land springs of water.

Zechariah 13:1
In that day there shall be a fountainopened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanness.

Thanks

When a persons sins are washed away they will know it.

 

[donadams]

No...

If you believe faith alone you got a lot of questions to answer, no hurry…

“Faith alone” Questions

where does ez 36: 25:27 Say “faith alone”?

where does scripture says we have died with Christ by “faith alone”?

Where does it say we are sealed by faith alone?

Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

where does scripture say we are members of Christ and his church by “faith alone”?

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

where does scripture says we put on Christ by “faith alone”?

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Where does scripture say our sins are washed away by “faith alone”?

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

where does scripture say we are saved or justified by “faith alone”?

1 pet 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!

The only reference in scripture to “faith alone” is James 2:24 NOT BY “FAITH ALONE”?

2 pet 1: 11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

How can you enter by your own if it must be ministered to you? Baptism is done unto you, “not do it yourself by faith alone”

Ministered by the apostolic church!

2 Corinthians 8:19
And not that only, but who was also chosen of the churches to travel with us with this grace, which is administered by us to the glory of the same Lord, and declaration of your ready mind:

Jn 3:5 born again by faith alone?

Where is “Accept Christ as your personal lord & savior” is found in scripture?

They did not go preaching this line but went immediately to the river and baptized Jn 3:22

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Eph 4:5 one baptism

Why don’t it say one teeny tiny little act of “faith alone”???

When we first believed we are saved?

Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

How can salvation be nearer than when we first believed if you’re saved by believing?

1 pet 1:9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.

Matt 24:13 endures to the end Shall be saved.

How can salvation happen when we first believed if it’s the end?

If salvation is by “faith alone” then faith would be the greatest!
1 cor 13:13 charity is the greatest!

Even all faith much less “faith alone” without charity avails nothing!
1 cor 13:2

The early Catholic Church fathers say faith and baptism!

Eph 5:24 the church is subject to Christ and has always taught and practiced “baptismal regeneration” and never “faith alone” if anyone says we are justified by “faith alone” let them be anathema! (condemned)

Matt 28:19 disciples by faith and baptism


Lk 8
The parable of the sower, all four had faith are they all not saved?


Lk 23:39 did not the bad thief say; save us? “Faith alone”?

Lk 18:14
Why did the publican not mention Jesus Christ or make a profession of belief, but prayer and virtue!

Why must we also suffer?
Faith alone not enough”?

Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and I joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

Phil 1:29 not called to believe alone but also to suffer for Christ’s sake.

Matthew 10:38
And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.

Matt 24:13 endures “in Christ” to the end shall be saved.

Matthew 16:24
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

Where does it say “faith alone”?

“Faith alone” ain’t biblical!











Heb 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.


1 pet 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied. (Baptism)


Mark 16:16 The requirements for those who are being saved cannot be undone by the requirements for those not being saved! He who believes and is baptized is still required for salvation? Heaven and earth may pass away but my words shall not pass away!

It is Reasonable that if one rejects faith why bother mentioning the second requirement?

So don’t negate the word of God or Jesus by trying to delete one verse with another.

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Nowhere does scripture say salvation is by “faith alone”! Rom 13:11
Or that we died with Christ by “faith alone”! Or that we put in Christ by “faith alone”! Or that we are in the church by “faith alone”!

“Faith alone”!

How many verses are required to prove a false doctrine?

Mk 16:16 faith & baptism
Jn 3:5 water & the spirit
Jn 15:4 abide in Christ
acts 2:38-39 repentance & baptism
acts 8:36-38 faith & baptism
acts 22:16 name of the Lord & baptism
rom 10:10 faith & confession
1 cor 13:2 faith & charity
1 cor 13:13 faith, hope, & charity
1 cor 16:22 love of Jesus Christ
Rom 8:17 faith and suffering
2 Timothy 2:12
1 thes 1:3 faith, love, patience / 2 thes 1:4 / 1 Tim 6:11 /
Col 1:24 suffering for Christ
Philemon 1:5 love and faith
Phil 1:29 called to suffer not faith alone
Titus 2:2 faith, love, patience
James 2:24 faith & works
2 pet 1:5 add to faith
Heb 6:12 faith & patience / rev 13:10
Rev 2:19 works, charity, service, faith, patience
Rev 12:17 testimony of Jesus & commandments
Rev 2:19 & rev 13:10 & Rev 14:12 commandments & patience
Three things are eternal! 1 cor 13:13
Faith, Hope, & Charity!

1 Thessalonians 1:3
Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father;

1 Timothy 6:11
But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.

Hebrews 6:12
That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.

Revelation 2:19
I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first.

Never “faith alone”!

Truth must be revealed by Christ Jude 1:3 and taught by the apostolic church!

Christ never revealed and the church never taught the doctrine of “faith alone”!

The holy apostolic church has condemned the doctrine of “faith alone”!

“Faith Alone” is a false doctrine!

Thanks

 

[GodsGrace]

That’s pure mental illness!

It is “impossible” for some to be alone and at the same time not alone!

It is NOT faith that saves us!

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved!

PLEASE TREAT ALL MEMBERS WITH RESPECT AND DO NOT MAKE PERSONAL COMMENTS.
THANKS.

 

[donadams]

That is an important discussion, but it is not found in the Mt.18 passage you offered.

How about?
Matthew 11:29
Take my yoke upon you, and learn ofme; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

 

[donadams]

My definition of faith is believing in someone or something with intent to act.
Question for the rest is what is the difference between
Belief
Faith
And
Trust

But I do like more, "walking in what you say you believe"
And the first walk usually begins in the mind.

So I get what people are saying that believe that way.
No one is saying that God did not create mankind and give Him a brain to use.
Nor is anyone saying that God is not the one that made man come alive by giving us His word...and etc other stuff like that.

What I believe people are saying in reguards to faith alone
Is they still have to believe. And there is no earned works based on their natural ability that have passed them to being quickened together with Christ but belief in who Jesus is.

Therefore belief alone in Jesus saves apart from trying to merit salvation by ones natural abilities to be saved.

For it is belief in who Jesus is with the intent to act that we receive His Spirit.

We know that if God did not create man, send His son, etc that we could not believe...

But it's man's belief alone, given by God that saves.

As for Water baptism for Salvation we must remember this if you see it in scripture of course.

That who is the man that can have His sins washed away but that He first believe in the one that can wash them away.

Now is it true that when man truly believes who Jesus is in his heart with the intent to follow He receives the Spirit?

If so then what has happened to Him? He has passed from death to life.

Could a man make a choice to committ (water baptism) if He did not believe?

Now lets see if people are given the Spirit...which

opps
I was writing this earlier and phone died...I guess it didnt erase

Because you were not faithful unto death Christ was.

And I explained how the other view thinks.

No what I said is your church doctrine is what you seem to put trust in by how you treated me.

Trust in Jesus Christ changes peoples hearts.
It does not have a demeanor of boasting.

Trusting a doctrinenal system as I believe you do brings about a boastful attitude because if people do not see things from your system of beliefs you think they are damn to hell.

That is one reason salvation is found only in Jesus.
What you are exemplifying is Phariseesic behavior

What about the new covenant / New Testament in his blood!

 

[donadams]

I don't reject water baptism. But we are saved by grace through faith.
A righteousness credited by God that is from first to last by faith.
Those that do not believe are those condemned.
As has been shown you can be saved apart from water baptism but not apart from faith. As in those who "believe in their hearts" and confess with their mouths

Romans 1:17—In the gospel a righteousness from God is revealed, a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: “The righteous will live by faith.

What does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness." Now when a man works, his wages are not credited to him as a gift, but as an obligation. However, to the man who does not work but trusts God who justifies the "wicked," his faith is credited as righteousness.

The importance is in the faith.
to open their eyes and turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, so that they may receive forgiveness of sins and a place among those who are sanctified by faith in me.’

So what is your minimum, water baptism with faith? or are you adding more to that?

Jesus preached to the spirits in prison. Those who were judged according to the flesh for wickedness in ancient times so they might live according to their spirit. (grace)

If you believe faith alone you got a lot of questions to answer, no hurry…

“Faith alone” Questions

where does ez 36: 25:27 Say “faith alone”?

where does scripture says we have died with Christ by “faith alone”?

Where does it say we are sealed by faith alone?

Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

where does scripture say we are members of Christ and his church by “faith alone”?

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

where does scripture says we put on Christ by “faith alone”?

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Where does scripture say our sins are washed away by “faith alone”?

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

where does scripture say we are saved or justified by “faith alone”?

1 pet 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!

The only reference in scripture to “faith alone” is James 2:24 NOT BY “FAITH ALONE”?

2 pet 1: 11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

How can you enter by your own if it must be ministered to you? Baptism is done unto you, “not do it yourself by faith alone”

Ministered by the apostolic church!

2 Corinthians 8:19
And not that only, but who was also chosen of the churches to travel with us with this grace, which is administered by us to the glory of the same Lord, and declaration of your ready mind:

Jn 3:5 born again by faith alone?

Where is “Accept Christ as your personal lord & savior” is found in scripture?

They did not go preaching this line but went immediately to the river and baptized Jn 3:22

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Eph 4:5 one baptism

Why don’t it say one teeny tiny little act of “faith alone”???

When we first believed we are saved?

Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

How can salvation be nearer than when we first believed if you’re saved by believing?

1 pet 1:9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.

Matt 24:13 endures to the end Shall be saved.

How can salvation happen when we first believed if it’s the end?

If salvation is by “faith alone” then faith would be the greatest!
1 cor 13:13 charity is the greatest!

Even all faith much less “faith alone” without charity avails nothing!
1 cor 13:2

The early Catholic Church fathers say faith and baptism!

Eph 5:24 the church is subject to Christ and has always taught and practiced “baptismal regeneration” and never “faith alone” if anyone says we are justified by “faith alone” let them be anathema! (condemned)

Matt 28:19 disciples by faith and baptism


Lk 8
The parable of the sower, all four had faith are they all not saved?


Lk 23:39 did not the bad thief say; save us? “Faith alone”?

Lk 18:14
Why did the publican not mention Jesus Christ or make a profession of belief, but prayer and virtue!

Why must we also suffer?
Faith alone not enough”?

Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and I joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

Phil 1:29 not called to believe alone but also to suffer for Christ’s sake.

Matthew 10:38
And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.

Matt 24:13 endures “in Christ” to the end shall be saved.

Matthew 16:24
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

Where does it say “faith alone”?

“Faith alone” ain’t biblical!











Heb 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.


1 pet 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied. (Baptism)


Mark 16:16 The requirements for those who are being saved cannot be undone by the requirements for those not being saved! He who believes and is baptized is still required for salvation? Heaven and earth may pass away but my words shall not pass away!

It is Reasonable that if one rejects faith why bother mentioning the second requirement?

So don’t negate the word of God or Jesus by trying to delete one verse with another.

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Nowhere does scripture say salvation is by “faith alone”! Rom 13:11
Or that we died with Christ by “faith alone”! Or that we put in Christ by “faith alone”! Or that we are in the church by “faith alone”!

“Faith alone”!

How many verses are required to prove a false doctrine?

Mk 16:16 faith & baptism
Jn 3:5 water & the spirit
Jn 15:4 abide in Christ
acts 2:38-39 repentance & baptism
acts 8:36-38 faith & baptism
acts 22:16 name of the Lord & baptism
rom 10:10 faith & confession
1 cor 13:2 faith & charity
1 cor 13:13 faith, hope, & charity
1 cor 16:22 love of Jesus Christ
Rom 8:17 faith and suffering
2 Timothy 2:12
1 thes 1:3 faith, love, patience / 2 thes 1:4 / 1 Tim 6:11 /
Col 1:24 suffering for Christ
Philemon 1:5 love and faith
Phil 1:29 called to suffer not faith alone
Titus 2:2 faith, love, patience
James 2:24 faith & works
2 pet 1:5 add to faith
Heb 6:12 faith & patience / rev 13:10
Rev 2:19 works, charity, service, faith, patience
Rev 12:17 testimony of Jesus & commandments
Rev 2:19 & rev 13:10 & Rev 14:12 commandments & patience
Three things are eternal! 1 cor 13:13
Faith, Hope, & Charity!

1 Thessalonians 1:3
Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father;

1 Timothy 6:11
But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.

Hebrews 6:12
That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.

Revelation 2:19
I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first.

Never “faith alone”!

Truth must be revealed by Christ Jude 1:3 and taught by the apostolic church!

Christ never revealed and the church never taught the doctrine of “faith alone”!

The holy apostolic church has condemned the doctrine of “faith alone”!

“Faith Alone” is a false doctrine!

Thanks

 

[donadams]

I was baptized as an infant so neither faith nor repentance applied. I did not receive the Spirit at that time but later when I understood enough to ask the one I believe in.

Not what God says

Ez 36:25-27

 

[donadams]

Before my phone died I was going to write what comes first

Receiving the Spirit and then having sins washed away?

If one does not have peace with God then none of their knowledge matters. Etenal life is that they may know the only true God and Jesus Christ who He has sent.

Jesus Christ is Our salvation:

Truth / doctrine Jn 14:6
Sacrifice / sacraments Jn 1:16-17 Jn 1:29
Christ is in His person is our salvation Lk 2:30

How can it be “faith alone” Christ is not a doctrine or set of beliefs but He is our Passover sacrifice and He is our salvation, His person, Lk 2:30 I have seen my Salvation!
We must have union with Christ by faith and baptism.

 

[donadams]

When a persons sins are washed away they will know it.

Titus 3:5 washed
Acts 22:16 baptism washes away sin

 

[donadams]

PLEASE TREAT ALL MEMBERS WITH RESPECT AND DO NOT MAKE PERSONAL COMMENTS.
THANKS.

Sorry

 

[donadams]

How does humility learning of Christ lead to rest for our soul?

 

[GodsGrace]

Context of Jn 3:5 “born again”

John1:26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not; (John prepared the way by baptism)

John 2:6 And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece. (Old covenant prefiguring of baptism, purification from sin)(His disciples believed because the ever Virgin mother of God interceded Jn 2:11)

John3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. (Baptism)

(Key verse! Actions speak louder than words: verse 22)

John 3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized. 23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.(Baptism / water)

John 4:1 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John.

Born again means Baptismal regeneration! Not salvation proper but the beginning of salvation, union with God and the communion of saints by the grace of Jesus Christ the mediator of the new covenant!
Jn 15:4 Matt 24:13


baptismal regeneration!
A new creation in Christ! 2 cor 5:17
Jn 1 JTB prepared the way by baptism!
Jn 2 the waters of purification are OT prefigurement of baptism!
Jn 3:5 born again means baptism
Jn 3:22 they immediately went to the river! Not to preach “accept Christ as personal lord and savior”
But to BAPTIZE!!!




Baptism intentions

Christian sacrament of baptism:

The cos of justification, the cos of union with God and His saints thru the mediator Jesus Christ being filled with sanctifying grace and Christian virtues! The begging of salvation, abiding in Christ and grace, enduring to the end!

Fundamentalist Protestant baptism:

Only a public confession of the faith by which you are already saved!
Or
Believers baptism which renders baptism meaningless!


Proper intention of valid baptism:

The initiation into the new covenant of grace unto the salvation of the soul, nicene creed, “one baptism for the forgiveness of sins”.

Brought to life. Jn 14:6 eph 2:1 quickened.

Jesus Christ the means of grace: Jn 1:16-17 Gal 3:27

Union with the body of Christ, the new covenant, the kingdom, the household of faith, the communion of saint thru Christ the mediator! 2 pet 1:11

Washed clean by God: ez 36:25-27

Sealed by God in the ark of salvation: eph 1:13

Hi Don
Of course baptism washes away sins.
This is confirmed by the Apostolic Fathers in the early church.

But why do you believe John 3:5 is referring to baptism and not physical birth?

Jesus said we must be born of water and then AGAIN in spirit. Nicodemus asked how could he go back into his mother's womb AGAIN, meaning that he understood it to mean physical birth.

 

[Mr. G Lee]

Are you denying the divinity of Christ?

No I am denying the the false prophecy of divinity of the dying flesh of mankind .The Son of man, Jesus .God is not a man .

 

[Iconoclast]

I know Protestant fundamentalists incur spiritual blindness but I must ask, are also physically blind?

Acts 2:38-39 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Promise is to you’re children! Vs 39

Infants are children?

Thanks

Believers baptism is commanded. Do you know of any infants who have requested baptism?

 

[Iconoclast]

Hi Don
Of course baptism washes away sins.
This is confirmed by the Apostolic Fathers in the early church.

But why do you believe John 3:5 is referring to baptism and not physical birth?

Jesus said we must be born of water and then AGAIN in spirit. Nicodemus asked how could he go back into his mother's womb AGAIN, meaning that he understood it to mean physical birth.

water baptism does not wash away sins