Anyone Believe in the "NEW WORLD ORDER".......

[Bob Carabbio]

Old news.

I indeed do believe that that Satan is started his campaign already to start the "One World/Nation" and destroy Christianity and have the "One World Fake Religion" and the Anit-Christ..

It started long ago, and continues. The World LONGS for a STRONG Leader who will "solve our issues".

God's plan, however, is ON Schedule, and IN Budget, and will continue to be until the end of the age.

 

[ivorhughjarse]

If I have the full favor of being a saved Christian in Christ with the full protection of God as a result of my relationship with him, then what is the evil in this world to me? Is it going to get me under these circumstances?



So, your answer to my question you sited is that God is not enough. Evil will get you despite ones relationship with God and one should count on themselves more so than God. ....I disagree.

No of course not! you will have a wonderful life you will never fall or have any suffering like that Jesus and his followers have over two centuries ..you cannot possibly reject Jesus three times like Peter did and no Christians will ever follow the Anti-Christ..

Living in Christ is all happy flowers and cotton wool and staying away from even thinking about the world

 

[Danus]

No of course not! you will have a wonderful life you will never fall or have any suffering like that Jesus and his followers have over two centuries ..you cannot possibly reject Jesus three times like Peter did and no Christians will ever follow the Anti-Christ..

Living in Christ is all happy flowers and cotton wool and staying away from even thinking about the world

...now I'm totally confused :

If I've left you with the impression that we should all sit around the camp fire and sing "kumbaya", then I've not made my point well, and that's on me I suppose.

However, I do not bother with the evil of men. My strength comes from God alone and not in the thought that I must eliminate the obvious evil that exist in this world. It can't get me. It can't have any power or control over me. Never has in my Christian walk and never will. I'm not a sucker for it. I'm not fooled by it. I don't care one bit what's happening to usher in the Devil. It does not matter what happens to me in this life. I will over come it in Jesus Christ.

This time on earth is not haven, but while I'm here I will allow God to work through me as he sees fit. My will is done, over, no more, and when I feel it the old will trying to rise up that only means that it's a note from God that we need to hang out more.

Anyone can call themselves a Christian. anyone can say, "I believe". Anyone can join a church, go every Sunday, and appear to be a Christian by going through all the motions. But that does not mean they are. That does not mean they have a relationship with God.

Will some of these "said Christians" fall for the evil in the world? I'm willing to bet all will.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

I indeed do believe that that Satan is started his campaign already to start the "One World/Nation" and destroy Christianity and have the "One World Fake Religion" and the Anit-Christ, feel very strongly in this for some reason that real Christians dont have much time left before they are persecuted and killed for their faith and God

I've really never met a Christian that didnt believe in the "Illuminati" or the "New World Order" plans, i mostly think cause they read Revalations and know that all these things were put in there and are meant to happen

It's clear to me that globalism is the driving force in government and business today. And it's equally clear that the boil on the back of the neck of the globalist agenda is religion, particularly false religion--religion that fails to accurately represent God in the world and divides men.

So in the globalist zeal to own and control the world, the headaches and obstacles caused by the disunity of religion--from the radical, homophobic Christian, to the suicidal Islamist--will be taken out of the way in some way or another, and all the true Christians will suffer along with them in one way or another in that persecution.

 

[ivorhughjarse]

...now I'm totally confused :

If I've left you with the impression that we should all sit around the camp fire and sing "kumbaya", then I've not made my point well, and that's on me I suppose.

However, I do not bother with the evil of men. My strength comes from God alone and not in the thought that I must eliminate the obvious evil that exist in this world. It can't get me. It can't have any power or control over me. Never has in my Christian walk and never will. I'm not a sucker for it. I'm not fooled by it. I don't care one bit what's happening to usher in the Devil. It does not matter what happens to me in this life. I will over come it in Jesus Christ.

This time on earth is not haven, but while I'm here I will allow God to work through me as he sees fit. My will is done, over, no more, and when I feel it the old will trying to rise up that only means that it's a note from God that we need to hang out more.

Anyone can call themselves a Christian. anyone can say, "I believe". Anyone can join a church, go every Sunday, and appear to be a Christian by going through all the motions. But that does not mean they are. That does not mean they have a relationship with God.

Will some of these "said Christians" fall for the evil in the world? I'm willing to bet all will.

It's great that you are so sure that you cannot possibly be fooled or used by the enemy because we already have many hurting brothers and sisters in the world who have already been taken in by religious falseness and some of those may have been self assured too.. I don't doubt your heart but even out hearts can deceive us. Mine does that's why I have to always refer to scripture as a rule

 

[Danus]

It's great that you are so sure that you cannot possibly be fooled or used by the enemy because we already have many hurting brothers and sisters in the world who have already been taken in by religious falseness and some of those may have been self assured too.. I don't doubt your heart but even out hearts can deceive us. Mine does that's why I have to always refer to scripture as a rule

I'm sure in God's word only. That's all I have, and if that's not enough then none of us have anything at all. We are all fooled.

As Christians, If we are saying that God can't keep us protected from the enemy and that we have to take matters in our own hands on behalf of God, then why even follow God? Do we really trust in his word or not?

 

[Jethro Bodine]

It's great that you are so sure that you cannot possibly be fooled or used by the enemy because we already have many hurting brothers and sisters in the world who have already been taken in by religious falseness and some of those may have been self assured too.. I don't doubt your heart but even out hearts can deceive us. Mine does that's why I have to always refer to scripture as a rule

Because globalism is so tied in to business, it's going to be very hard to resist the trials and temptations of the pressures globalism puts on the working man. This is where the 'you can't eat unless you take the mark' will come into play. You either play by the (sinful) rules of the global order of things or you can't participate in the business of the world. I think we're already seeing this as more and more people give in to the compulsion and perceived need to borrow money and live high...and then cave in to the temptation to sin to keep up with the demands of that kind of lifestyle that the media pummels us with daily.

Christians have to be especially wary of being ensnared in the pleasures of the world by the promise of good times and prosperity through the security of global economies and business structures that supposedly will ensure that prosperity--the kind of prosperity that gives us the courage to borrow and live unnecessarily high. 2008 was just a warning rumble if you ask me.

The scary part is, the Christian ideas of austerity and caution don't fit in with a globalist mindset that can only thrive and prosper if everybody is everything but austere and cautious. These Christian ideas could come under persecution as they fly right in the face of, and prevent, the globalist agenda from advancing. Basically, business doesn't prosper the way the world thinks business must prosper today unless people are extravagent and spend their money, especially borrowed money. The day may come where the Christian message is clearly in the way of global prosperity as that is becoming to be defined. This kind of talk I'm sharing now about austerity and caution could be even one day be considered subversive, with penalties given for embracing it. Think I'm kidding?

 

[Danus]

Because globalism is so tied in to business, it's going to be very hard to resist the trials and temptations of the pressures globalism puts on the working man. This is where the 'you can't eat unless you take the mark' will come into play. You either play by the (sinful) rules of the global order of things or you can't participate in the business of the world. I think we're already seeing this as more and more people give in to the compulsion and perceived need to borrow money and live high...and then cave in to the temptation to sin to keep up with the demands of that kind of lifestyle that the media pummels us with daily.

Christians have to be especially wary of being ensnared in the pleasures of the world by the promise of good times and prosperity through the security of global economies and business structures that supposedly will ensure that prosperity--the kind of prosperity that gives us the courage to borrow and live unnecessarily high. 2008 was just a warning rumble if you ask me.

True. I think you've found the sweet spot of this conversation. I'll add that what you are expressing will ultimately divide the the wheat from the chaff.....just to clarify: When you separate the wheat from the chaff, you select what is useful or valuable and reject what is useless or worthless.

 

[ivorhughjarse]

I'm sure in God's word only. That's all I have, and if that's not enough then none of us have anything at all. We are all fooled.

As Christians, If we are saying that God can't keep us protected from the enemy and that we have to take matters in our own hands on behalf of God, then why even follow God? Do we really trust in his word or not?

why is it viewed as taking matters into their own hands to understand what is to happen and to come upon us...are not warnings given to us for benefit from them?

 

[Danus]

why is it viewed as taking matters into their own hands to understand what is to happen and to come upon us...are not warnings given to us for benefit from them?

that depends on who the "them" are. For those who follow Christ, those "themes" know of the warnings and stay close. For those that reject Christ, those "themes" are doomed anyway, and anyone caught on the fence is a fool.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

True. I think you've found the sweet spot of this conversation. I'll add that what you are expressing will ultimately divide the the wheat from the chaff...

I agree. It does seem money is indeed the god of this age and ultimately the god we will serve if we're not serving the true God and can, therefore, be a very accurate measure of who is a planting of God and who is not.

 

[ivorhughjarse]

Danus i am sure that I am saved....and that its it....my future is not certain not even the next minute. I would not dream to sit at a position at the table of my Lord. I would not enter his room but wait with hope to be invited and I would accept anything he decides. We are different people my faith comes from repentance and asking forgiveness. maybe i'm chaff

with regard to money can you see a time when its worthless and thrown in the street? There may be a country who rides the storm and uses the dragon to stamp its financial dealings on everything that it owns; possessions and people alike...maybe not... this is an American site and the dollar cannot fail

 

[Danus]

Danus i am sure that I am saved....and that its it....my future is not certain not even the next minute. I would not dream to sit at a position at the table of my Lord. I would not enter his room but wait with hope to be invited and I would accept anything he decides. We are different people my faith comes from repentance and asking forgiveness. maybe i'm chaff

Ah come on. ....You've turned from your sin in repentance and accepted your salvation in Jesus Christ. So what's the problem? How are we any different in that regard? But, with your salvation you will mourn the world. I understand that.

I think there is a time in every Christians life, when they look back, or maybe they struggle with their human will. I'm not any different in that regard. I struggle too, but I know that to be wheat I am to yield to Gods will, and not my own.

It's for this reason that I don't worry about the new world order, bigfoot, or flying saucers. ....OK, I'm being factitious, but you know what I'm saying.

Here is how I view the Christian life. I like to think of us as copper wire. Copper wire that carries the will of God flowing through us and providing God's light to the world. In this analogy God's will is like electricity. Our will is like a "resister" that limits the flow of electricity.

I think all man is hooked to God in this way, but some have resisted the flow of Gods will through them. They are not useful, or they are less useful then they could be to have full power. They prefer darkness, or a dim light.

These constructs of man, world government, economies, domination and such are not connected to God and to accept them in any way is to put in the resistance of man. It's what Satin wants us to do. he does not want the light, but the light shines and the brighter it shines the easier it is to spot from a distance. Some people don't want to be seen; they don't want to be pointed out shinning; they'd rather blend in because they think it's safer.

It's not safe in this world to shine God's light, but it is perfectly safe to be a light for God, and that's the only way anyone else will know where they might find God. So, I think the better question should be, are we beacons for God's light? We can not stomp out evil, all we can do is allow God's light to shine on it. We'll will be seen.

 

[K stunna]

True. I think you've found the sweet spot of this conversation. I'll add that what you are expressing will ultimately divide the the wheat from the chaff.....just to clarify: When you separate the wheat from the chaff, you select what is useful or valuable and reject what is useless or worthless.

For a moment there i thought you would reject this mans wise words and shrug it off with ignorance and arrogance but you didnt.......

Thank God! Cause only a fool would denie what he just wrote

 

[tim-from-pa]

I indeed do believe that that Satan is started his campaign already to start the "One World/Nation" and destroy Christianity and have the "One World Fake Religion" and the Anit-Christ, feel very strongly in this for some reason that real Christians dont have much time left before they are persecuted and killed for their faith and God

I've really never met a Christian that didnt believe in the "Illuminati" or the "New World Order" plans, i mostly think cause they read Revalations and know that all these things were put in there and are meant to happen

You are so correct, and the Illuminati is just the world's way of saying the same thing as Revelation and the Beast to come.

However, not all Christians are believers that there's an Illuminati conspiracy. As a matter of fact, I would say most are blind to the things going on around us pointing to end times such as the erosion of our constitutional freedoms, the strange ideas (compared to a few short decades ago) regarding morality, medicine, politics and such, the increased unrest in the middle east including Israel, and the rise of natural disasters and odd natural phenomenon (such as increased solar activity).

As a matter of fact, on another Bibleforum I posted in their controversial section about the flight 93 memorial here in Pa and how the memorial symbolism subtly glorifies the enemy... I mean, what is happening to people's brains that they can't see this? And woe betide if anyone else says anything because then that's "intolerance" (funny thing you don't see the enemy having the same open-mindedness). Although I wasn't banned (yet) I was as much as told by a moderator of that site to take my strange beliefs and post them elsewhere.

Well, there are many such head-in-the-sand Christians that I'm sure will be the first to whine and run in circles flailing their arms in the Tribulation not knowing what is happening --- then one day, they just may remember something that "conspiracy nut" once told them and realize it's coming to pass. I hope it does not take that, but I don't know. From what I see ther's going to be a lot of arm "flailers".

 

[jasoncran]

question to the tribbers. and tim.(btw most of the american fathers were also masonic)

if the YHWH removed men when it got tough then why didnt he remove isiah and amos. they told isreal and judah their sins were worse then the cities of sodom and gommorah! america hasnt hit that yet.

 

[tim-from-pa]

question to the tribbers. and tim.(btw most of the american fathers were also masonic)

if the YHWH removed men when it got tough then why didnt he remove isiah and amos. they told isreal and judah their sins were worse then the cities of sodom and gommorah! america hasnt hit that yet.

well, Jason, you are correct. There's a lot to go yet. I also see a lot of unfulfilled prophecy such as what you pointed out. Although not everyone agrees with me, I believe there's the temple issue yet in Israel --- right now there's only plans for it, and a lot of other such things.

However, I can see things starting to set up for some of the terrible times to come. Whether it will be in my lifetime or not (I'll turn 53 soon) I don't know. Our days are 3-score and ten as David said. I have 17 years yet for a "normal" lifetime and anything beyond that is a special gift like King Hezekiah. 17 years is not that far in the future, so be it 17 years or maybe another 30 or however long the Lord grants to me (barring all accidents and/or unforeseen troubles ), it's not that long in the context of history.

 

[K stunna]

Shame that i am only 17 and know more about the World and whats happening than most adults......its sad how the blind lead the blind these days and i cant do anything about it

 

[TonkaTim]

No one is discussing big foot or flying saucers, the conversation is globalization. If you're not understanding, that is what politicians mean when they say the phrase "new world order". Globalization. No one is discussing Bigfoot or flying saucers. It's silliness like associating inane with the reality, that prevents reasonable discussion of serious issues like globalization.

That said I'm glad you're now discussing light, which will lead us to Ephesians 5. Where we are told we are to have no part with darkness but to reprove it. Reprove means - to express disapproval , to correct.

The ill effects of globalization are obvious to all. One of the issues of globalization I discuss is the World Trade Organization and the harm it has brought. I write about it, discuss it, point out the harm because I disapprove & want to correct the problem.

Here is a couple Businessweek covers that illustrates a recent change in thinking over the last few decades.

Traditional thinking

New Thinking

The change in thinking is obvious. The fact globalization is about Idea becomes obvious as well.
All now can see the the darkness in the Idea of globalization from the harm that has been wrought in the current world economic crisis. God has been against globalization in the hands of men since before the Tower of Babel.

It's what the story in Genesis is about globalization - a world order. God divided the people for a purpose. To prevent globalization. When mankind centralizes power into the hands of the few man commits great evil, history bears witness to this fact. The 20th century alone in our recent history bears great witness. It's in the testimonies of those who fell before the Bolshevicks, National Socialist, the Maoists, etc. We still see it in the UN reports that document the failure of the UN's Agenda 21, which shows the increasing poverty, disease, & death as a direct result from the globalization agenda.

 

[ivorhughjarse]

well, Jason, you are correct. There's a lot to go yet. I also see a lot of unfulfilled prophecy such as what you pointed out. Although not everyone agrees with me, I believe there's the temple issue yet in Israel --- right now there's only plans for it, and a lot of other such things.
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I'm in this place too...I seem to be drawn to whats happening with regard to Israel and not America maybe because I don't live in the US..

It's not that I don't care for Americans its just that I see prophecy relating to Israel mostly