Bible Study A Woman Should Let A Man Rule Over Her

[th1b.taylor]

Here comes that hill billy preacher again, ya'll watch him, he's a strange one, that one. Eph. 5:20-29 is, perhaps, historically, the most abused verse in the scriptures. It has been misused by everyone from King James to the Modern Day Televangelist to abuse women. You should see, immediately, that I appear to have gone crazy and added some verses. Well, guess what, I'm one of those silly people that if you were to look at my transcript it looks as though I learned very little but we're not here to discuss my Cs and Ds, but rather, I paid close attention to what the teachers said.

As a result of eight years of formal education, some college course by mail and a good bit of "hungry" research I learned to always pay attention to the context. Now, these verses are being drawn out of their "local" context but for the matter being discussed, these verses do form the required context to define the truth needed here.

The first three verses of this passage are, almost, never used together and when they are, verse 22 changes the implied translation, immediately. One of the most common perversions of this verse is it's use in the marital bed room. When viewed with verses 20 and 21, it becomes clear that this verse is applicable, NOT, in that context. when viewed in it' s entirety, it is, absolutely, clear that our wives are to submit to us, just, as we submit to God and there lays the problem.

I know very, very few men that have submitted their lives to God as an offering to Him. This is the submission we must learn to understand and that is very much a lesson we all, not need but, must learn and make a moment by moment driver of our lives. But there is sad news for the average man and that is found in verses 23-29.

Immediately we see in v. 23 that the husband is to be to his wife, the same sort of person to the wife that Jesus was and is to his bride, the Church. Jesus, not only was ready to, He died to redeem the Church. Just as Jesus died for His Bride the husband must stand ready to die to protect his wife.

Verse 24 standing by itself can be a woman' s nightmare but it does not stand alone. already we see that it is tied to the first four verses of this passage for contextual application and there is more to come. In verses 25 & 26 we find God/Jesus highlighting His previous statement. God did not use a Magic Marker to highlight and to emphasize a point, instead God would repeat the instruction to draw our attention to a fact or instruction and that is what we find here.

Now, remember, the emphasis is pointed at the male member of this union, not the wife. the husband is responsible to lead his wife on the path of righteousness. We are to love our wives so much that we seek to lead them to be glorious and the most valuable possession we hold. The husband is instructed to bath his wife in righteousness just as we are just a we, the husband, are to submit to the LORD for him to do unto us.

Finally we see the summary that amounts to stating the instruction the third time in one short passage. As a former warrior I have always paid a lot of attention to my body. Even today, as I prepare to leave this realm and to enter the next, I pay attention to my body mass. In that same manor I am to love my wife. I am not to view her as a divided portion of my life but rather I must view my wife just as I view my own body.

If any, and I do mean any, danger were to approach my wife, it is my intention to move between her and the danger that before anything might happen to her, it must kill me first. this understanding completely destroys the conventional understanding commonly used for this passage.

May God bless all of us that seek Him with wisdom.

 

[Deborah13]

Eph 5:28 so ought the husbands to love their own wives as their own bodies: he who is loving his own wife--himself he doth love;
Eph 5:29 for no one ever his own flesh did hate, but doth nourish and cherish it, as also the Lord--the assembly,

This scripture isn't so different than "love your neighbor as you love yourself."
"Husbands love your wives as you love yourself"

I think maybe wives should respect their husbands as they respect themselves.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Eph 5:28 so ought the husbands to love their own wives as their own bodies: he who is loving his own wife--himself he doth love;
Eph 5:29 for no one ever his own flesh did hate, but doth nourish and cherish it, as also the Lord--the assembly,

This scripture isn't so different than "love your neighbor as you love yourself."
"Husbands love your wives as you love yourself"

I think maybe wives should respect their husbands as they respect themselves.

In our Church family there is a scripturally unqualified, former, Pastor. He is no longer qualified to be the Senior Pastor because he has chosen to be to reside within the Baptist Church and our Ultra Conservative position on the "husband of one wife" forbids his position in the leadership role. His wife, the second wife, rags on him without ceasing and does not understand my families distancing of our selves from her.

When Her husband, a man of prayer, is with her she fawns over him nut when he is not present and particularly when it is just the ladies present there are a flood of derogatory remarks concerning his abilities as a husband, as a spiritual leader and to his lack of seeking a more liberal church to become a Pastor in since their marriage.

The history, testified to by both of them, is the first wife cheated and ran off with her lover. After the divorce, pursued by the wife, was completed they met and after a lengthy courtship, they married. He has, certainly, not erred if all of this is true and deserves, from the congregation and the wife, the respect due any honest follower of God.

Although I find him a, rather, lack lustre, teacher, I do consider him to be my equal in most manners and in some my superior and I and my family really fail to see her, never ceasing, ragging on the man as anything that can ever be productive. He loves, cares for and provides for his wife and deserves no less from her.

Good post Deb, thanks for the basis to rant a bit.

Had to edit, getting so old I forgot who posted last.

 

[Kathi]

In our Church family there is a scripturally unqualified, former, Pastor. He is no longer qualified to be the Senior Pastor because he has chosen to be to reside within the Baptist Church and our Ultra Conservative position on the "husband of one wife" forbids his position in the leadership role. His wife, the second wife, rags on him without ceasing and does not understand my families distancing of our selves from her.

When Her husband, a man of prayer, is with her she fawns over him nut when he is not present and particularly when it is just the ladies present there are a flood of derogatory remarks concerning his abilities as a husband, as a spiritual leader and to his lack of seeking a more liberal church to become a Pastor in since their marriage.

The history, testified to by both of them, is the first wife cheated and ran off with her lover. After the divorce, pursued by the wife, was completed they met and after a lengthy courtship, they married. He has, certainly, not erred if all of this is true and deserves, from the congregation and the wife, the respect due any honest follower of God.

Although I find him a, rather, lack lustre, teacher, I do consider him to be my equal in most manners and in some my superior and I and my family really fail to see her, never ceasing, ragging on the man as anything that can ever be productive. He loves, cares for and provides for his wife and deserves no less from her.

Good post Deb, thanks for the basis to rant a bit.

Had to edit, getting so old I forgot who posted last.

That is no way for a Christian to conduct themselves.Respect goes two ways in a Christian marriage.That is love and respect on both sides.

 

[BigSodaExposer]

Great post. Notice in the bible there are no female angels. This is in contrast to the earthly imagination of a pretty female angel. The point is, this is denoting God's male character. The bible describes the natural order as a man over a woman and both under Christ. Many feminist try to twist this into a slavery domination thing. But the bible says a husband is supposed to love his wife and cherish her as his own flesh. Ephesisans 5:25,28-29 "Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:"

A woman can have a man in her heart. The spirit of Christ in her heart. 1 Peter 3:4 "But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price."

Who ate from the tree first? Women are more sensual than men, and men are more logical. Not trying to argue but its simply true. There is a difference of the sexes. Strengths and weaknesses to each. 2 men can adopt and raise a child, just like 2 women can adopt and raise a child, but neither 2 men nor 2 women can create life. With his hands a man can build a solar panel, stick it in the ground, and receive sunlight and convert it to energy. A simple plant does the same thing and its alive! Mathew 6:29 "And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these."

Paul described marriage between a man and woman as a way to keep from fornicating, and to stay out of trouble (avoid Satan's temptations)

1 corinthians 7:2-5 "2 Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.3 Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband.
4The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife.5 Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency."


I believe God takes into account women are more sensual. Because you will notice there is direct condemnation of gay men in the new and old testament. (leviticus 20:13, 1 corinthians 6:9) But not so much a condemnation of lesbiansism as an acknowledgement. (Romans 1:26) Because the man of the house it is his honor to lose, more than a womans.

Having Christ in your heart means a non perverted heart. A plus instead of a minus. A born again homosexual will not continue desiring to be gay if Christ is truly living in him. This makes 1 corinthians 6:9 not so much a condemnation but a fact. Satan will not enter the gates of heaven. Effeminate energy in a man is perverted satanic energy. A woman with Christ in her heart won't be dressing to induce lust in men. Its really a two way street when it comes to lust. A woman dresses and acts seductively with the wanton eyes and the men are like drueling dogs following them around. Samson and Delilah.....lust lust lust. The women lust for money they can get from a man, the lustful men lust for the flesh they can get from a woman.

 

[Deborah13]

The women lust for money they can get from a man, the lustful men lust for the flesh they can get from a woman.

I sure hope you have got Scripture to back that one up.

"The women lust for money they can get from a man,"

 

[BigSodaExposer]

I sure hope you have got Scripture to back that one up.

"The women lust for money they can get from a man,"

Here goes ...

You have to first compare Delilah to Judas Iscariot. They both did essentially the same thing. And the new testament reveals that Satan went into Judas two times. The first time was when he went to the chief priest (wicked scheming) Luke 22:3 "
Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve.4 And he went his way, and communed with the chief priests and captains, how he might betray him unto them."

This can be likened to Deliliah going to the lords of the philistines Judges 16:5 "And the lords of the Philistines came up unto her, and said unto her, Entice him, and see wherein his great strength lieth, and by what means we may prevail against him, that we may bind him to afflict him; and we will give thee every one of us eleven hundred pieces of silver.'

Both cases involved wicked scheming, betrayal, for the personal gain associated with money. We can then assume "Satan" entered Delilah. There are many verses in proverbs that speak of such women. Proverbs 7:10-14 "
10 And, behold, there met him a woman with the attire of an harlot, and subtil of heart.11 12 (She is loud and stubborn; her feet abide not in her house:Now is she without, now in the streets, and lieth in wait at every corner.)"

In essence I was comparing the lustful woman to Delilah and the lustful man to Samson.

 

[Deborah13]

Here goes ...

You have to first compare Delilah to Judas Iscariot. They both did essentially the same thing. And the new testament reveals that Satan went into Judas two times. The first time was when he went to the chief priest (wicked scheming) Luke 22:3 "
Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve.4 And he went his way, and communed with the chief priests and captains, how he might betray him unto them."

This can be likened to Deliliah going to the lords of the philistines Judges 16:5 "And the lords of the Philistines came up unto her, and said unto her, Entice him, and see wherein his great strength lieth, and by what means we may prevail against him, that we may bind him to afflict him; and we will give thee every one of us eleven hundred pieces of silver.'

Both cases involved wicked scheming, betrayal, for the personal gain associated with money. We can then assume "Satan" entered Delilah. There are many verses in proverbs that speak of such women. Proverbs 7:10-14 "
10 And, behold, there met him a woman with the attire of an harlot, and subtil of heart.11 12 (She is loud and stubborn; her feet abide not in her house:Now is she without, now in the streets, and lieth in wait at every corner.)"

In essence I was comparing the lustful woman to Delilah and the lustful man to Samson.

lol. Let's pick an unGodly woman and a Godly tempted man to describe all men and all women?

imo, that is just sad.

Genesis does not say that a woman desires a man for his money. If you think men rule over a woman's desire with money then you are the type of man who did a lot to bring about the women libe movement.

 

[Kathi]

I sure hope you have got Scripture to back that one up.

"The women lust for money they can get from a man,"

You mean a gold digger?There are a ton of them around.

 

[jasonc]

lord, not ALL woman lust for money. plenty of men do.before the woman's lib movement whom was the cause of most wars? MEN!

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

You mean a gold digger?There are a ton of them around.

It is not money that a woman lusts for, and lust is a poor word to use.
Women desire security in a man.
Many women see that security as money.
What they really desire is a man of God, one who is spiritual and puts God first.
He builds his relationship and his family around God.
He goes to God with his problems.
He follows the Word of God and treats his wife with love.
30-70 years later, they are still married and happier than ever before.
Many women don't realize that this is what they really want.
Many men don't realize that they need to be this way.

 

[Deborah13]

You mean a gold digger?There are a ton of them around.

I was quoting from the post I responded to.

 

[Deborah13]

lord, not ALL woman lust for money. plenty of men do.before the woman's lib movement whom was the cause of most wars? MEN!

And who Caused a lot of the women's libe movement to start with, Men and wars.

 

[Chopper]

In our Church family there is a scripturally unqualified, former, Pastor. He is no longer qualified to be the Senior Pastor because he has chosen to be to reside within the Baptist Church and our Ultra Conservative position on the "husband of one wife" forbids his position in the leadership role. His wife, the second wife, rags on him without ceasing and does not understand my families distancing of our selves from her.

When Her husband, a man of prayer, is with her she fawns over him nut when he is not present and particularly when it is just the ladies present there are a flood of derogatory remarks concerning his abilities as a husband, as a spiritual leader and to his lack of seeking a more liberal church to become a Pastor in since their marriage.

The history, testified to by both of them, is the first wife cheated and ran off with her lover. After the divorce, pursued by the wife, was completed they met and after a lengthy courtship, they married. He has, certainly, not erred if all of this is true and deserves, from the congregation and the wife, the respect due any honest follower of God.

Although I find him a, rather, lack lustre, teacher, I do consider him to be my equal in most manners and in some my superior and I and my family really fail to see her, never ceasing, ragging on the man as anything that can ever be productive. He loves, cares for and provides for his wife and deserves no less from her.

Good post Deb, thanks for the basis to rant a bit.

Had to edit, getting so old I forgot who posted last.

Sounds to me like the elder board needs to confront the wife with the pastor present. Church discipline goes with having Ultra Conservative Baptist Church. This sort of thing grieves the Holy Spirit of God. Not much spiritually can happen when the leader of the church is being treated so shamefully by his wife. If the elder board fails to fill their responsibility, shake the dust off your shoes and find a better church.

 

[Deborah13]

It is not money that a woman lusts for, and lust is a poor word to use.
Women desire security in a man.
Many women see that security as money.
What they really desire is a man of God, one who is spiritual and puts God first.
He builds his relationship and his family around God.
He goes to God with his problems.
He follows the Word of God and treats his wife with love.
30-70 years later, they are still married and happier than ever before.
Many women don't realize that this is what they really want.
Many men don't realize that they need to be this way.

I think... some people fail to recognized what God put in their hearts and why He made us the way He did. Hint, hint, "go forth and multiply".
A woman's heart is almost always the desire to have a husband And children, Family.
And man is driven in his lust for a woman to take a wife. Producing a Family.
Ta Dah....God knows what He was/is doing and He knows how to get it done.

It is men/women who mess this all up by not obeying God in the boundaries He set to accomplish this. Thus causing themselves, their children, and society to fail to carry out God's Will.

 

[Deborah13]

That is no way for a Christian to conduct themselves.Respect goes two ways in a Christian marriage.That is love and respect on both sides.

My son-in-law just called Dh, I hear,
"I was going to take Jake fishing tomorrow but ....why what are you doing?"
LOL " You haven't gotten orders yet, huh?"

He's a good husband and father, my daughter is very fortunate.

 

[BigSodaExposer]

lol. Let's pick an unGodly woman and a Godly tempted man to describe all men and all women?

imo, that is just sad.

Genesis does not say that a woman desires a man for his money. If you think men rule over a woman's desire with money then you are the type of man who did a lot to bring about the women libe movement.

No I don't believe I said that all women are walking by the flesh. But if I did I apologize if thats what it seems like I said. There is a ton of scripture about harlots like those in proverbs, or the haughty daughters of zion, the daughters of babylon, both in Isaiah.

Contrary to popular belief, most men can't go down to the gas station or grocery store and have a sexual encounter before they come home. But most women COULD actually do that if they so chose to do so. And how would they do it? They would fix their hair a certain way, and wear a certain outfit. These two things are known to provoke lust in a man. And this goes against what Paul and Peter said about how a woman should dress.
1 Timothy 2:9"In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;"
1 Peter 3:3"Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;"

And thats how Solomon said a harlot would dress. Proverbs 7:10 "10 And, behold, there met him a woman with the attire of an harlot, and subtil of heart"

So in essence the ball is more in women's court in terms of leading on a man. These primitive men I speak of (testosterone puppets) are slaves to their own lust. And there are women that know how to use men to get what they want. And what do they want? Money? Power? That which benefits them? (highly unlikely they ensnare men for the pleasure of sex alone) And if a woman does that it is wicked scheming. Ecclesiastes 7:26 "Ecclesiastes 7:26 "And I find more bitter than death the woman, whose heart is snares and nets, and her hands as bands: whoso pleaseth God shall escape from her; but the sinner shall be taken by her."" Its interesting Solomon has so much on harlots and the bible says he had 700 wives and 300 concubines. And like Samson, his heart was turned from God by the desires of women.

 

[BigSodaExposer]

You mean a gold digger?There are a ton of them around.

Exactly. Wonder then what men should be called that fall for such. A gold giver? trophy wife collector?

 

[Deborah13]

Exactly. Wonder then what men should be called that fall for such. A gold giver? trophy wife collector?

What do you call a man who marries for money. Solomon married at least some of his pagen wives because they brought the Power of their Family with them. He married women who's fathers were powerful men. So his desire for chariots and horses drew him in to disobeying God.

There's an old Pentecostal song that goes....
"Some trust in chariots and some in horses,
But we will remember the name of our Lord, our God."

which scripture did this come from.

 

[Chopper]

BidSodaExposer, it sounds to me like you have an ax to grind with women. Did one or more women take advantage of you? I'd like to hear your story, I'm sure there are lessons to learn.