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Is Divorce a Sin?

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A couple extreme examples...
Joe beats Sally he is beating the kids... talking big time beating... ... For Sally to have protection of the laws of this land she needs a civil ( civil as in legal) divorce..
She lives her now physically safe life as if she is still married .. In your opinions is that sin?

Linda and Sam have been married 10 years... Linda cheats a lot ... and will not stop... Sam divorces Linda and remarries in a few years ... WHat are your thoughts.?
 
your thoughts and my thoughts are not what is important. what Yhwh says and does is what is important.

separation is not necessarily a sin, as it is not necessarily against Scripture and may be an option in some cases, Yhwh willing. just as fleeing from someone seeking your life is permitted by Yeshua, but killing him is not.
sams divorce and , if linda is still a live, remarriage, are both sins as clearly stated in Scripture and 'explained' (more clearly?) in the links provided. (not perfect links perhaps-haven't had time to test them thoroughly, but I didn't find again/yet the one from Israel that is fully vetted..... keep on seeking )
 
follower said:
the american/ other non-Jewish translations of Scripture provide a seeming reason for divorce that is not offered by Yeshua nor in the original / Hebrew Scriptures...

... in the Hebrew (original) Scripture, it was only during betrothal period that Yeshua said a divorce may be permitted, (before the two became one).
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My first thought is that the New Testament is originally in Greek, and if you are reading the NT in Hebrew? Then it's not the original. Wouldn't you agree?

My other thought: Do you have an authoritative source for your declaration? What I mean is this: If you are saying that American Christians have false beliefs regarding what was clearly stated in what Member Kathi has provided:
Kathi said:
There are two clear reasons for divorce in the Bible:
1) Sexual immorality Matthew 5:32;19:9
2) Abandonment by unbeliever 1 Corinthians 7:15
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... IF that is the issue you disagree with (and maybe I'm wrong - and that's NOT what you're trying to say?) but if it is? Please do the favor and cite your sources so that I might go and study and prove what you are saying as true. As it is? It just seems to me to be a case of, "the bible says this," versus "some person says that," and I'm sure you'll understand that I am not yet persuaded by your statement.

If it is me who is at fault and I have not really understood you? Pardon me, please and do tell... What DID you mean?

Cordially,
Sparrow
 
reba said:
A couple extreme examples...
Joe beats Sally he is beating the kids... talking big time beating... ... For Sally to have protection of the laws of this land she needs a civil ( civil as in legal) divorce..
She lives her now physically safe life as if she is still married .. In your opinions is that sin?

Linda and Sam have been married 10 years... Linda cheats a lot ... and will not stop... Sam divorces Linda and remarries in a few years ... WHat are your thoughts.?
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I think Sally needs to find a safe place for her and her children.Is this a Christian couple?Is Sally a Christian and not Joe?If Joe wants to get counseling and be the husband and father that God wants him to be then....maybe they could reconcil.That is what God wants.If not and if her and her children are in danger then she should get a divorce.
If Linda has been unfaithful then Sam has a Biblical divorce. He can remarry.Linda does not have a Biblical divorce and she would live in sin if she remarries.And the man she marries would live in sin as well.
 
you may find the sources if you look for them. some have already been posted, and they are sufficient for today. i don't have others at hand, per se(though they are not too difficult to find if you look), and in fact most american(english) 'churches' don't and don't want to have accurate translations readily available. when the N.T. was written, when Yeshua was walking around Yerusalem/ Israel, guess what ? --- almost all the believers were Jewish/Hebrew.
so, it is not such a big surprise
that Jewish/Hebrew understanding is incorporated /part of/ natural to Scripture. nor is it too big a surprise, if Yhwh permits, to find out that man messed up a lot in the last 2000 years. (and Yhwh provides the solution to sin also, as He always has in His good pleasure; up to a certain time that is).

greek thinking is horrendous and did gargantuan damage to many peoples souls and lives, as you can find if you bother to look. (it is not a short study, or one or two references required - no, it is easily a few years (although not necessarily) to let go of misconstructions (part of curse(s)?) that we all grew up with.
 
follower said:
you may find the sources if you look for them. some have already been posted, and they are sufficient for today. i don't have others at hand, per se(though they are not too difficult to find if you look), and in fact most american(english) 'churches' don't and don't want to have accurate translations readily available. when the N.T. was written, when Yeshua was walking around Yerusalem/ Israel, guess what ? --- almost all the believers were Jewish/Hebrew.
so, it is not such a big surprise
that Jewish/Hebrew understanding is incorporated /part of/ natural to Scripture. nor is it too big a surprise, if Yhwh permits, to find out that man messed up a lot in the last 2000 years. (and Yhwh provides the solution to sin also, as He always has in His good pleasure; up to a certain time that is).

greek thinking is horrendous and did gargantuan damage to many peoples souls and lives, as you can find if you bother to look. (it is not a short study, or one or two references required - no, it is easily a few years (although not necessarily) to let go of misconstructions (part of curse(s)?) that we all grew up with.
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Are you talking scripture or are you talking about Jewish interpretation of scripture? The Jews have a much more liberal view of divorce and remarriage than Christians do.
http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/557909/jewish/In-Depth-Study.htm
 
who focuses on the Old Testament ?
Yhwh did not have a more liberal view of divorce - He even said if a man rapes a virgin in the field, those two have become one flesh and in some places gives instructions for them to be married.
for a time, Moses gave a way to issue a divorce, because of the hardness of their hearts. Yeshua annihilated that ungodly excuse.
 
Kathi said:
Do you think that is because they focus on the OT?The OT had a more liberal view of divorce.
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I really don't know.
Within the Law of Moses there are principles of behavior laid down. For instance a Jew was never to strike another Jew this would include this wife. Jews do not tolerate abuse, even verbal abuse.
In certain instances a wife could leave her husband and return to her father's (family's house), if he denied her the life style she had been receiving from him before he took a second wife. So I can see where they say if a husband does this today out of spite it is the same.
 
OT laws concerning divorce
Law Concerning Divorce
Deuteronomy 24:1-4.
24 “When a man takes a wife and marries her, and it happens that she finds no favor in his eyes because he has found some uncleanness in her, and he writes her a certificate of divorce, puts it in her hand, and sends her out of his house, 2 when she has departed from his house, and goes and becomes another man’s wife,3 if the latter husband detests her and writes her a certificate of divorce, puts it in her hand, and sends her out of his house, or if the latter husband dies who took her as his wife, 4 then her former husband who divorced her must not take her back to be his wife after she has been defiled; for that is an abomination before the Lord, and you shall not bring sin on the land which the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance
 
Deuteronomy 22:28-29Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
28 “If a man comes upon a girl who is a virgin but who is not engaged, and he grabs her and has sexual relations with her, and they are caught in the act, 29 then the man who had intercourse with her must give to the girl’s father one-and-a-quarter pounds of silver shekels, and she will become his wife, because he humiliated her; he may not divorce her as long as he lives.
 
follower said:
who focuses on the Old Testament ?
Yhwh did not have a more liberal view of divorce - He even said if a man rapes a virgin in the field, those two have become one flesh and in some places gives instructions for them to be married.
for a time, Moses gave a way to issue a divorce, because of the hardness of their hearts. Yeshua annihilated that ungodly excuse.
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As I understand it through study.....
This was the argument between two schools of thought among the Pharisees. Just cause vs Any cause.
Any cause was allow by Moses because of hardness of heart.
Yeshua said, fornication was just cause.
Mat 5:32 but I--I say to you, that whoever may put away his wife, save for the matter of whoredom, doth make her to commit adultery; and whoever may marry her who hath been put away doth commit adultery.

So if a man divorces his wife for any cause other than fornication, he Causes her to commit adultery.
Now Yeshua is saying that she is going to remarry and it is the husband who Causes this to happen.
This is a part of the Jewish thought that I see even in Judaism today.
 
follower said:
Deuteronomy 22:28-29Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
28 “If a man comes upon a girl who is a virgin but who is not engaged, and he grabs her and has sexual relations with her, and they are caught in the act, 29 then the man who had intercourse with her must give to the girl’s father one-and-a-quarter pounds of silver shekels, and she will become his wife, because he humiliated her; he may not divorce her as long as he lives.
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Are you Jewish?
 
there is no Jew or gentile in Yeshua HaMashiach, but a new creation ! i am a new creation in Yeshua HaMashiach ! (Yhwh's Doing and Accomplishment!)
 
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Wondering if there is a Jew alive to day that fully understands the way Scripture was written a few thousand years ago.... The culture is so vastly different, our minds have influence on them that were not around thousands of years ago...
I doubt it, there has been division among the Hebrew scholars 'like for ever' :neutral

I believe God's Word to be written to the time it is read in... His Word is relevant today... One does not need to know the languages Hebrew or Greek or old English to have the Lord speak to us.
 
follower said:
your thoughts and my thoughts are not what is important. what Yhwh says and does is what is important.

separation is not necessarily a sin, as it is not necessarily against Scripture and may be an option in some cases, Yhwh willing. just as fleeing from someone seeking your life is permitted by Yeshua, but killing him is not.
sams divorce and , if linda is still a live, remarriage, are both sins as clearly stated in Scripture and 'explained' (more clearly?) in the links provided. (not perfect links perhaps-haven't had time to test them thoroughly, but I didn't find again/yet the one from Israel that is fully vetted..... keep on seeking )
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Seems we all have a number of opinions.. :)
 
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