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yes you are right however lucifer was infact a wicked king just as satan is wicked and the niv refers to him as the morning star.

something that i find funny is when people do not look into the word of god to study the proof that has been given. just like i wrote earlier the niv states that jesus and satan are both the morning star. how can jesus being righteous be called the same as satan who is wicked and evil?

this is the problem. with any new translation of the bible in todays world they have to cahnge wording. it is like running a business. mcdonalds and burger king can not both sell the big mac. this is the problem with any new translation. they add and take out to perposley make it different from...

well how can jesus and satan both be the morning star? THIS IS exactly what the niv does. isaiah 14 and revelations 21 or 22.

i do not have the niv bible anymore. i threw it away after finding a lot of things that actually contridict the truth found in the other versions that i have. it is also very watered down taking away from the conviction and life that the word of god brings into our lives. they have taken way to...

if christ is spoken of in truth then the truth is the stand. but if the truth is altered then where is the stand for the truth. we can not learn the word of god through a school or from man. galations 1:10-12 the final authority is not a man in the pulpit but the lord jesus christ.

i love this post jon. jon the thing is when you have teachings coming from the pulpits; such as the once saved always saved; state this prayer after me and all of your past present and future sins are forgiven; what are people going to believe salvatin is? we want to blaim the people but people...

that is a great point. one thing that really erks me or pulls my chain is the when they look at it as a history book only. that to me is one of the biggest heresies i have ever seen. when the bible is taught like this it makes it irrelevent for todays world.

that is very true. there is a whole lot of that going on. the sad thing about that is when you try to show them the truth they accuse you of judging them and throw the verses about do not jusdge at you.

wow this is like really old. i am interested what a lot of the new people on the for um think of these older discussions.

i will check it out.

i agree that it should be required for the high school level. i also think that churches should pass them out to all believers. this book will strengthen us against the enemy on so many different levels. there is another free book that is very powerful it is called REVOLUTION IN WORLD...

where in the bible or the dictionary does mercy mean obedience? i want to first make it clear that obedience is needed. however there is a good obedience and a bad. but i am not going to get into that right now. i just people to understand that i am not telling anyone that disobedience is...

i totally agree. i think we in america have become quite spoiled, and i would love to see how we as a nation would act without anything. that would be quite interesting to see. i am praying for it. the sad thing about this is how we talk about how rich christians are and should be, why dont they...

a very powerful testimony on so many levels. lovely the lord has shown you things and made you better in them. we have all contributed to this crisis in our greed and selfish desires. this is why Jesus died on the cross for us. so that we can be saved and brought into the light. thank you for...

amen brother samuel. all the prophecy in the bible is now being seen carried out. though none of us know when the lord is coming back we know that he is and it is soon. i think the one thing that has been bothering to me though is how many people have hardened their hearts to the gospel. i know...

We all see the trouble that this nation is in economically. Many people are losing their jobs. Very few jobs are even open. We are all and have all been blaiming President Bush. Yes he had his part in all of this as has the wicked government for many years. but now let us take a look at the real...

Congressman > Brad Sherman of California's > 27th congressional district told the House in a speech yesterday > evening that he personally knew of several Congressional representatives who > have said they were threatened with the prospect of all out martial law should > they vote in opposition...

this is what our government has come to. threatening us with garbage. imagine that. tell your congressmen to vote no way to force. Democratic > Congressman: Representatives Were Threatened With Martial Law In America Over > Bailout Bill > > Warns that a panic atmosphere is intentionally...

this is a great post and true, but once again it is for people that truly accepted christ as their savior. there are many people that sit in the pews and even on christian forums that have truly not accepted christ in their heart. they go through the motion but have not a repentant heart for...