Christian's! Why have you forsaken me?

one reason i am a Christian is because of an older, wiser, Pentecostal Christian lady The Lord put in my life. Thing is...

in order for Him to put her in my life, she had to obey Him when He dealt with her heart. True story.

Now, I'm saved and...there are plenty of "Christians" who are just like anybody else in and of the world....and that's a sad thing, but remember, The Bible says "...many are called, but few are chosen..." and that "the harvest is great, but the laborers are few" and also speaks of "..wolves in sheep's clothing..." and false teachers, false prophets, apostate churches....

so, its a hot mess, at a certain level. LOL. at least...that's how it looks to the outside world, and that's often...how it plays out, even for true believers, at times. church people burn other Christians. now, there are sexual abuse scandals popping up all over the place...RCC, southern baptists, you name it. what gives? I don't know, honestly.

but...here's the thing...even if every.single.believer turned his and her back on Jesus...He'd still be Lord. that's the thing about Truth...it doesn't stop being the Truth just because some people ignore it, reject it, modify it, etc.

i wish I had solid answers for you, I really do. One Christian lady I called occasionally--I'm gay and it was just for convo, nothing more--changed her phone #, so she wouldn't have to talk to me (yes, I have Schizophrenia...that played a role). and people at one church I visited talked about me 'living off WELFARE!,' etc., when I wasn't and even if I had been...

wouldn't that have been all the more reason to be kind and uplift and help? apparently...not at that church.


so, I get where you're coming from, I do.

Most of the Christians I know, I know through church or are family. Those I've met that aren't from church or in my family were regular people that I later learned are Christian also. You might be suprised by how many people out there that are kind to you are also Christian, but don't say anything about their religions beliefs unless asked. There are lots of non Christians that are kind too, but that's not my point. The point is unless you ask someone their religion you never know if they are a kind Christian, or a kind nonchristian. You may have met a few good ones that you didn't know we're Christian.

That said, I'm sorry to hear your experiences with Christians. I'm no better. For the most part I keep people at arms length away. It's not that I don't want to know other people, it's that I don't want them to see my faults as much, and that I'm bad at making time for others.

There are a lot of people here on this site though that are better at being personable though. HeIsRisen2018 starts quite a few threads to be silly and sociable. To get to know them, and I've seen from her posts a real concern and connection to the people she gets to know. Even to start topics because she's concerned for them, and wants to have prayers started for them.

I can't speak for the Christians you've met before, but I can speak for those I've seen here. You can open up to those that are here. There are several people here that I've seen be very personable and want to get to know others and their lives.

I for one would love to get to know you as well as most of us here at CF. Why not share with us who you are, your hopes, your dreams and your fears.

for_his_glory said:

I for one would love to get to know you as well as most of us here at CF. Why not share with us who you are, your hopes, your dreams and your fears.

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My ultimate hope is to overcome believing thing's, something that's difficult to do in a world like this. My one and only dream is for my daughter to forgive me for not being in her life enough. My fear is that I might stop learning & die in misery.

Not_Now.Soon said:

Most of the Christians I know, I know through church or are family. Those I've met that aren't from church or in my family were regular people that I later learned are Christian also. You might be suprised by how many people out there that are kind to you are also Christian, but don't say anything about their religions beliefs unless asked. There are lots of non Christians that are kind too, but that's not my point. The point is unless you ask someone their religion you never know if they are a kind Christian, or a kind nonchristian. You may have met a few good ones that you didn't know we're Christian.

That said, I'm sorry to hear your experiences with Christians. I'm no better. For the most part I keep people at arms length away. It's not that I don't want to know other people, it's that I don't want them to see my faults as much, and that I'm bad at making time for others.

There are a lot of people here on this site though that are better at being personable though. HeIsRisen2018 starts quite a few threads to be silly and sociable. To get to know them, and I've seen from her posts a real concern and connection to the people she gets to know. Even to start topics because she's concerned for them, and wants to have prayers started for them.

I can't speak for the Christians you've met before, but I can speak for those I've seen here. You can open up to those that are here. There are several people here that I've seen be very personable and want to get to know others and their lives.

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Aww,.. thank you for what you said about me. I also enjoy being sociable and silly.

Christ_empowered said:

one reason i am a Christian is because of an older, wiser, Pentecostal Christian lady The Lord put in my life. Thing is...

in order for Him to put her in my life, she had to obey Him when He dealt with her heart. True story.

Now, I'm saved and...there are plenty of "Christians" who are just like anybody else in and of the world....and that's a sad thing, but remember, The Bible says "...many are called, but few are chosen..." and that "the harvest is great, but the laborers are few" and also speaks of "..wolves in sheep's clothing..." and false teachers, false prophets, apostate churches....

so, its a hot mess, at a certain level. LOL. at least...that's how it looks to the outside world, and that's often...how it plays out, even for true believers, at times. church people burn other Christians. now, there are sexual abuse scandals popping up all over the place...RCC, southern baptists, you name it. what gives? I don't know, honestly.

but...here's the thing...even if every.single.believer turned his and her back on Jesus...He'd still be Lord. that's the thing about Truth...it doesn't stop being the Truth just because some people ignore it, reject it, modify it, etc.

i wish I had solid answers for you, I really do. One Christian lady I called occasionally--I'm gay and it was just for convo, nothing more--changed her phone #, so she wouldn't have to talk to me (yes, I have Schizophrenia...that played a role). and people at one church I visited talked about me 'living off WELFARE!,' etc., when I wasn't and even if I had been...

wouldn't that have been all the more reason to be kind and uplift and help? apparently...not at that church.


so, I get where you're coming from, I do.

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I guess you could ask, why would I want to hang around people like that?

Not_Now.Soon said:

Most of the Christians I know, I know through church or are family. Those I've met that aren't from church or in my family were regular people that I later learned are Christian also. You might be suprised by how many people out there that are kind to you are also Christian, but don't say anything about their religions beliefs unless asked. There are lots of non Christians that are kind too, but that's not my point. The point is unless you ask someone their religion you never know if they are a kind Christian, or a kind nonchristian. You may have met a few good ones that you didn't know we're Christian.

That said, I'm sorry to hear your experiences with Christians. I'm no better. For the most part I keep people at arms length away. It's not that I don't want to know other people, it's that I don't want them to see my faults as much, and that I'm bad at making time for others.

There are a lot of people here on this site though that are better at being personable though. HeIsRisen2018 starts quite a few threads to be silly and sociable. To get to know them, and I've seen from her posts a real concern and connection to the people she gets to know. Even to start topics because she's concerned for them, and wants to have prayers started for them.

I can't speak for the Christians you've met before, but I can speak for those I've seen here. You can open up to those that are here. There are several people here that I've seen be very personable and want to get to know others and their lives.

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Will see how it goes.

Ghostbuster said:

I guess in my entire 40 year's on this planet, I have met with hundreds of Christian's. In all that time spent, I can't even remember when one of them has wanted to know me. They were never interested in my hopes or dreams, my thoughts or feelings, my troubles or fears.

They tell me Christianity is about a relationship, but how can you have a relationship with someone without knowing them through & through? How could they have ever loved me, when they never took the time to just be a friend.

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So, tell us about Ghostbuster. What are your hopes, dreams, thoughts, feelings, troubles, fears, etc? You identify yourself as not Christian. Are you atheist or do you believe in some other god or gods? Is there something specific you would like to know about Christianity?

WIP said:

So, tell us about Ghostbuster. What are your hopes, dreams, thoughts, feelings, troubles, fears, etc? You identify yourself as not Christian. Are you atheist or do you believe in some other god or gods? Is there something specific you would like to know about Christianity?

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I already replied to another poster about a few things. But I'll continue by saying how I feel about being pigeonholed into having some world view. In actuality I have a universal view, not a world view. Also, everytime someone categorises me under some belief system, I feel like I'm wasting my time trying to have a relationship with them.

Ghostbuster said:

My ultimate hope is to overcome believing thing's, something that's difficult to do in a world like this. My one and only dream is for my daughter to forgive me for not being in her life enough. My fear is that I might stop learning & die in misery.

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How old is your daughter? We can keep your relationship with your daughter in our prayers.

As for the fear of not learning any more and to die in missery, that's a harsh fear. Is there anything you're looking to understand, to help with this fear?

Not_Now.Soon said:

How old is your daughter? We can keep your relationship with your daughter in our prayers.

As for the fear of not learning any more and to die in missery, that's a harsh fear. Is there anything you're looking to understand, to help with this fear?

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I would say fear is only harsh when you try to escape what it's telling you. As for my child, I don't think I like the idea of people praying away their time in futility. But if prayer did actually work, how can you pray concisely for two people you basically know nothing about?

And no, your God you believe in doesn't know her, or me. The same way that any God people believe in doesn't.

Ghostbuster said:

I would say fear is only harsh when you try to escape what it's telling you. As for my child, I don't think I like the idea of people praying away their time in futility. But if prayer did actually work, how can you pray concisely for two people you basically know nothing about?

And no, your God you believe in doesn't know her, or me. The same way that any God people believe in doesn't.

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How very wrong you are. God knows you both even more than you both know each other. He knit you both together in your mothers' wombs and He knows every single hair on your heads. Psalm 139:13 Luke 12:7

HeIsRisen2018 said:

How very wrong you are. God knows you both even more than you both know each other. He knit you both together in your mothers' wombs and He knows every single hair on your heads. Psalm 139:13 Luke 12:7

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Quoting a Psalm & a Gospel by belief alone proves nothing, like quoting one of the Harry Potter books by belief alone proves nothing. This type conduct in human's is the cause of our disconnection from each other.

If I just didn't accept so many assumptions about myself & my reality in the past, beliefs wouldn't have taken root, and I'd be with my daughter now.

Ghostbuster said:

Quoting a Psalm & a Gospel by belief alone proves nothing, like quoting one of the Harry Potter books by belief alone proves nothing. This type conduct in human's is the cause of our disconnection from each other.

If I just didn't accept so many assumptions about myself & my reality in the past, beliefs wouldn't have taken root, and I'd be with my daughter now.

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Look, I really don't know what your situation with is with your daughter but I'm really curious what this is really about. Unbelief in God, or anger at God? You don't have to answer that question if you don't want to it's just something to think about.

Ghostbuster said:

I would say fear is only harsh when you try to escape what it's telling you. As for my child, I don't think I like the idea of people praying away their time in futility. But if prayer did actually work, how can you pray concisely for two people you basically know nothing about?

And no, your God you believe in doesn't know her, or me. The same way that any God people believe in doesn't.

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Well, you are on a Christian Forum and you are talking to Christians. So, you must know we believe in the power of prayer.

You are our guest, and so far I hope you have been treated kindly and with respect. As our guest, I would appreciate the same consideration toward us.

Put it this way, my mommy taught me at a very young age that when we went to grandmas for dinner, we never complained about the food because grandma worked hard to make it, so we not only were taught to show appreciation for her work, but we were taught to respect her as well.

In the same way, when we offer to pray for you, then we expect you to appreciate the kindness in our gesture, regardless if you believe in prayer or not. And because you are our guest and you came here knowing we believe in God, we expect you to respect our belief.

Thank you.

StoveBolts said:

Well, you are on a Christian Forum and you are talking to Christians. So, you must know we believe in the power of prayer.

You are our guest, and so far I hope you have been treated kindly and with respect. As our guest, I would appreciate the same consideration toward us.

Put it this way, my mommy taught me at a very young age that when we went to grandmas for dinner, we never complained about the food because grandma worked hard to make it, so we not only were taught to show appreciation for her work, but we were taught to respect her as well.

In the same way, when we offer to pray for you, then we expect you to appreciate the kindness in our gesture, regardless if you believe in prayer or not. And because you are our guest and you came here knowing we believe in God, we expect you to respect our belief.

Thank you.

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I completely agree with this one hundred percent, but please go easy on him for me kay? It seems like there's a bit more here than meets the eye and I think he just has a lot of hurt and anger in his life right now and he doesn't know what else to do but take it out on God. I've been there before, I know you've been there, so let's just pray that the Lord gets him through it and he repents and turns to Him for the love and support he needs.

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I completely agree with this one hundred percent, but please go easy on him for me kay? It seems like there's a bit more here than meets the eye and I think he just has a lot of hurt and anger in his life right now and he doesn't know what else to do but take it out on God. I've been there before, I know you've been there, so let's just pray that the Lord gets him through it and he repents and turns to Him for the love and support he needs.

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Im sorry, I'm not always a good writer and I forget my writing doesn't always come across as if somebody was hearing me talk.

It was intended as a gentle reminder to have some common courtesy. If it came across any other way, then my apologies.

StoveBolts said:

Im sorry, I'm not always a good writer and I forget my writing doesn't always come across as if somebody was hearing me talk.

It was intended as a gentle reminder to have some common courtesy. If it came across any other way, then my apologies.

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Oh I know that, I just wanted to point that out before you just automatically jumped on taking any disciplinary action because I wanted him to have a few chances. Not an infinite number of chances mind you but a few since I understand where he's coming from.



Not like you were going to give him any points or anything right away and it really is your decision when it comes right down to it, I was just basically saying we only know bits and pieces of his situation and not the full story unless he decides to give it to us at some point.

Ghostbuster said:

I would say fear is only harsh when you try to escape what it's telling you. As for my child, I don't think I like the idea of people praying away their time in futility. But if prayer did actually work, how can you pray concisely for two people you basically know nothing about?

And no, your God you believe in doesn't know her, or me. The same way that any God people believe in doesn't.

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I don't understand what you mean about fear? Are you saying you don't want to escapee these fears and resolve them?

I guess I just assumed the fear of lacking knowledge and dying in misery, was about a more focused fear. Such as a lack of safety measure can lead to a fatal accident when someone is on the road, but the fear can be allieviated more by more observation of the road, caution in bad weather, and being aware of common accidents to help aviod them. In that kind of way I was hoping you could shed some light on the fears you are referencing. Maybe one of us has a practical approach that can allieviated the fear to some degree or another.

I get what you're saying about prayer, and though I disagree with it I had a friend when I was a kid who gave a simular reasoning for not praying for him when he was depressed, had reoccurring nightmares, and health issues. However consider it this way. I've seen prayers responded to and even answered in a way that showed God did answer the prayer. With that in mind, it's actually harder to restrain yourself from praying then it is to put the effort to pray a small bit giving the concern and issue to God.

As for how to pray for someone I don't know. Here's how I often do it. I would say something to the effect of "God please be with that person. Help them in their struggles, protect them, and help them on their way." I give a shorter version asking for God to help police firemen and ambulance crews on their calls and to protect them when I'm on the road and pass by an emergency vehicle. There's also a phrase I learned from my mom growing up when she'd say a prayer for safety on the road on a long family road trip. She would say in the prayer "God please circle us (or whomever is being prayed for ) in your love and protection."

God knows the details even if I don't and I trust both His ability to be able to act, as well as His Wisdom on how to act on any issue that can be prayed for. It doesn't take much to be able to pray. Please don't think of it as any effort.

As for your daughter. Many people here are experienced parents who's children are adults now. They might have the wisdom of experience to help out situtions that seem over whealming to you. There might be some comfort or some advice for helping your relationship. But depending on her age what might work to help build the relationship could differ.

I hope that answers your questions. I think how important my family is to me. So I really would like to offer whatever help I can. Even if all I can offer is a short prayer for two strangers I don't know. It takes no effort to pray and I know of times when God's answered the prayers.