[__ Praise __] Miracles, miracles come and get your miracles

JLB said:

Be it unto you according to your faith.


When Jesus departed from there, two blind men followed Him, crying out and saying, “Son of David, have mercy on us!”
And when He had come into the house, the blind men came to Him. And Jesus said to them, “Do you believe that I am able to do this?”
They said to Him, “Yes, Lord.”
Then He touched their eyes, saying, “According to your faith let it be to you.” And their eyes were opened. Matthew 9:27-30


If we go to Him believing, and believing He is a rewarded of those who diligently seek Him, I believe He will heal everytime, not just once.


But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him. Hebrews 11:6





JLB

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I understand you JLB.
If we go to God not expecting anything, we won't get anything.
But men of great faith have gotten sick and have never been healed.
I can't really add much more to this conversation.
Try Matthew 17:16 and there are many verses in the O.T.
I just don't care to discuss this.
We each accept God in our own way....

wondering said:

But men of great faith have gotten sick and have never healed.

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And great women of faith, who experienced many great healings and miracles in their meetings.

Kathren Kuhlman comes to mind.

She died of complications from Cardiac Surgery.


JLB

JLB said:

And great women of faith, who experienced many great healings and miracles in their meetings.

Kathren Kuhlman comes to mind.

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I agree...sorry, I meant both men and women.
God is not a respecter of persons!

Did you know that there have been thousands of healings reported at Lourdes in France. The CC has authenticated about 67 of them as true, real miracles with no other explanation.

If anyone doubts that healings can take place,,,they should keep this in mind because when the CC investigates for a miracle, they do a really good job of it.

Then I look and see that Paul had a thorn in the flesh. Did HE not have enough faith?
1 Corinthians 12:7

Timothy had a stomach ailment...did he not have enough faith?

I believe in healings....
I also believe it's damaging to a person to tell them they are not healed due to little faith.

wondering said:

Then I look and see that Paul had a thorn in the flesh. Did HE not have enough faith?
1 Corinthians 12:7

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It was given to him on purpose because of the abundance of his revelations, that he would not be puffed up with pride.



JLB

JLB said:

It was given to him on purpose because of the abundance of his revelations, that he would not be puffed up with pride.



JLB

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Right.
God has His reasons...whatever they may be.
For Paul it was prevention of pride,,,for me it might be something else.
Paul accepted...as must we when all else fails.

me, yet again.

OK. again, just speaking of my own 'healing journey,' as some have called it...

I only got genuinely saved 7 years ago. before that, I just kind of assumed I'd be healthy and smart, one day...

and I wasn't really healthy or smart or normal until fairly recently. On the plus side, God saw me thru! yay!

On the other hand...healing, for me, has been gradual, and largely in spite of my shaky, wavering, at times unsteady (but, to my credit, steadily growing) faith.

There are many paths to salvation, when one thinks of life circumstances, etc. that somehow let Jesus in. When God chooses to heal, however He chooses to heal, I think there are multiple ways in which that can occur.

I came to The Cross destroyed and wretched, electroshocked into a fairyland. I'm now remarkably normal, smart enough, healthy...

but "Schizoaffective, Bipolar type" whatever that really means (im not good at deconstructing psych-labels). so...IQ is up! that's...a lil bit impossible. personality disorder is gone! not possible. healthy! not possible. premature aging is even gone! yay! but...

I still need an 'atypical' tranquilizer daily, and I cannot support myself (to be fair, a lot of that is stigma and other social factors, not -just- "Schizoaffective). Even there, God has made a way, so...OK. slow-motion miracle, in a fallen world.

I think more of Matthew 6:33 in my situation than I do of verses that deal with healing.

Christ_empowered said:

me, yet again.

OK. again, just speaking of my own 'healing journey,' as some have called it...

I only got genuinely saved 7 years ago. before that, I just kind of assumed I'd be healthy and smart, one day...

and I wasn't really healthy or smart or normal until fairly recently. On the plus side, God saw me thru! yay!

On the other hand...healing, for me, has been gradual, and largely in spite of my shaky, wavering, at times unsteady (but, to my credit, steadily growing) faith.

There are many paths to salvation, when one thinks of life circumstances, etc. that somehow let Jesus in. When God chooses to heal, however He chooses to heal, I think there are multiple ways in which that can occur.

I came to The Cross destroyed and wretched, electroshocked into a fairyland. I'm now remarkably normal, smart enough, healthy...

but "Schizoaffective, Bipolar type" whatever that really means (im not good at deconstructing psych-labels). so...IQ is up! that's...a lil bit impossible. personality disorder is gone! not possible. healthy! not possible. premature aging is even gone! yay! but...

I still need an 'atypical' tranquilizer daily, and I cannot support myself (to be fair, a lot of that is stigma and other social factors, not -just- "Schizoaffective). Even there, God has made a way, so...OK. slow-motion miracle, in a fallen world.

I think more of Matthew 6:33 in my situation than I do of verses that deal with healing.

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Mathew 6:33
33“But seek first His kingdom and His righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.

Thanks for bringing this up CE.
I also believe this. If we just follow God's rules we will be spared of much,,,including bad health in some cases. HIS Kingdom makes for a better life even here on earth; as you, and others, have experienced. I note persons that have no faith are sometimes very rattled by this world system and other persons...I note persons that believe are more calm and relaxed and seem to have a better objective in life.

Christ_empowered

wondering said:

I think it depends on how much of a circus is going on.
Benny Hinn, for instance, is all circus.

OTOH, I've been to Catholic healing masses that were very dignified and seemed to be honest...in fact, I could attest to the fact that indeed they were honest due to personal experience.

Outsiders must look upon this as voodoo and the such.
I could just hear Lawrence Krauss now....
He's not as dignified as Richard Dawkins is.

What say you?

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Healing is a private matter between the sick, the elders who are praying and God.

The way healings happened in the bible make it clear that 'healing meetings' are wrong.

Dignity is not a certainty of truth.

Who Me said:

Healing is a private matter between the sick, the elders who are praying and God.

The way healings happened in the bible make it clear that 'healing meetings' are wrong.

Dignity is not a certainty of truth.

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Agreed.
However, healings can take place in different settings.
I'm not sure if you're saying that it cannot happen in a public place.

A healing can also be spiritual, besides physical. It could even be mental --- problem with our mind, or soul. Problems with out body, and problems with our spirit.

If you've ever attended a healing Mass, you'd agree with me that it would be able to heal any part of us -- if God so willed it.

Jesus healed in public.
He just didn't make a circus of it.

Who Me said:

The way healings happened in the bible make it clear that 'healing meetings' are wrong.

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I see nothing in the Bible to indicate that people gathering together (meeting) to pray for the sick is wrong.


Is anyone among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord. And the prayer of faith will save the sick, and the Lord will raise him up. And if he has committed sins, he will be forgiven. James 5:14-15


Here we see the Holy Spirit through Janes instructing us to call for the elders and anoint the sick with oil.

That would be a healing meeting, whereby the elders as well as the person who is sick together with the sick persons family are gathered together.



JLB

JLB said:

Sometimes we don’t get things we need because we don’t ask.

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Or we stop asking because we think God has already made His decision. I was reading this on the airplane Sunday with my wife. Life has a way of stealing our prayers. We shouldn't give up just because God didn't answer us when we thought He should have. We can become such spoiled children at times.

Luke 11

A Friend Comes at Midnight
5 And He said to them, “Which of you shall have a friend, and go to him at midnight and say to him, ‘Friend, lend me three loaves; 6 for a friend of mine has come to me on his journey, and I have nothing to set before him’; 7 and he will answer from within and say, ‘Do not trouble me; the door is now shut, and my children are with me in bed; I cannot rise and give to you’? 8 I say to you, though he will not rise and give to him because he is his friend, yet because of his persistence he will rise and give him as many as he needs.

Keep Asking, Seeking, Knocking
9 “So I say to you, ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. 10 For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. 11 If a son asks for [e]bread from any father among you, will he give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will he give him a serpent instead of a fish? 12 Or if he asks for an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? 13 If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him!”

wondering said:

Agreed.
However, healings can take place in different settings.
I'm not sure if you're saying that it cannot happen in a public place.

A healing can also be spiritual, besides physical. It could even be mental --- problem with our mind, or soul. Problems with out body, and problems with our spirit.

If you've ever attended a healing Mass, you'd agree with me that it would be able to heal any part of us -- if God so willed it.

Jesus healed in public.
He just didn't make a circus of it.

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God doesn't have to fit in anyone's box. He is our sovereign King of kings and heals whomever He will, Whenever and however He wishes.

me, yet again.

I had a relative who was given a couple good years (he was in his 80s, btw) after his brother, an elder at his local church, came into his hospital room, anointed his forehead with oil, and prayed for him. I'm thinking+hoping the couple of good years gave him time to get close(r) to The Lord before he was called home.

But what if someone is un-churched? or...like me, like a lot of people, came to The Cross with loads of grit and grime? Does healing -always- have to follow Official Protocol?

I'm with daninthelionsden on this one, of course.

StoveBolts said:

Or we stop asking because we think God has already made His decision.

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Amen.


As wondering pointed the persistent widow is a great example of faith that persevere’s.


Your whole post is awesome!



Then the Lord said, “Hear what the unjust judge said. And shall God not avenge His own elect who cry out day and night to Him, though He bears long with them? I tell you that He will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless, when the Son of Man comes, will He really find faith on the earth?” Luke 18:6-8


Fast forward to today -

• Nevertheless, when the Son of Man comes, will He really find faith on the earth?

JLB

Christ_empowered said:

But what if someone is un-churched? or...like me, like a lot of people, came to The Cross with loads of grit and grime? Does healing -always- have to follow Official Protocol?

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Actually Churches are formed when someone is sent by the Lord to a region where there are no churches and they preach the Gospel and heal the sick, cast of devils and raise up a church in that region.

So yes, the “un-churched” have this provision.


Also many churches today, do not believe in healings.





JLB

JLB said:

Nevertheless, when the Son of Man comes, will He really find faith on the earth?

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Another sobering thought.
I find the placement of the blind beggar in Luke 18:35-42 perfect.
He is persistent, even when others who are following Jesus tells him to be quiet.

It's a reminder for me of who we serve and it rekindles the flame from my youth that boldly stated Our God is a mighty God.

For years I've heard it preached and prayed..."if it be your will" which is to really say, "We know you won't, but it sounds good to the ears".

God has blessed me through you recently and I feel a fire stirring from my youth. You know, those days when we thought we could do anything... And we did!

StoveBolts said:

Another sobering thought.
I find the placement of the blind beggar in Luke 18:35-42 perfect.
He is persistent, even when others who are following Jesus tells him to be quiet.

It's a reminder for me of who we serve and it rekindles the flame from my youth that boldly stated Our God is a mighty God.

For years I've heard it preached and prayed..."if it be your will" which is to really say, "We know you won't, but it sounds good to the ears".

God has blessed me through you recently and I feel a fire stirring from my youth. You know, those days when we thought we could do anything... And we did!

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I highlighted a paragraph of the above.

I disagree that IF IT BE YOUR WILL means that a person understands that God won't.

It means that WHATEVER GOD wants for us,,,is what we are willing to accept.

I don't know anyone that believes who feels that asking God for something will immediately get a NO answer.

wondering said:

I highlighted a paragraph of the above.

I disagree that IF IT BE YOUR WILL means that a person understands that God won't.

It means that WHATEVER GOD wants for us,,,is what we are willing to accept.

I don't know anyone that believes who feels that asking God for something will immediately get a NO answer.

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I was referring to was, "I've heard it preached and prayed", meaning I've heard this from my own preachers, elders, deacons and parishioners. Sorry if you misunderstood this, I'll try to preface my experiences a bit clearer in the future. Sorry for the confusion.

Within certain churches of Christ, they believe that the Holy Spirit has ceased with miracles etc. They believe that the Holy Spirits function in regard to miracles was limited to the Apostles and the early church for the purpose of establishing the church and not much more.

Since they don't believe in miracles, they pray that so and so be healed, but always add, "if it be your will" meaning we know God wont perform a miracle because miracles ceased with the Apostles.

I don't ascribe to their views.

StoveBolts said:

I was referring to was, "I've heard it preached and prayed", meaning I've heard this from my own preachers, elders, deacons and parishioners. Sorry if you misunderstood this, I'll try to preface my experiences a bit clearer in the future. Sorry for the confusion.

Within certain churches of Christ, they believe that the Holy Spirit has ceased with miracles etc. They believe that the Holy Spirits function in regard to miracles was limited to the Apostles and the early church for the purpose of establishing the church and not much more.

Since they don't believe in miracles, they pray that so and so be healed, but always add, "if it be your will" meaning we know God wont perform a miracle because miracles ceased with the Apostles.

I don't ascribe to their views.

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Oh.
Well, I don't ascribe to their views either.
Sorry,,,I thought you meant that people generally think this. I must have read wrong.

Miracles still happen...it's a proven phenomenon.
It's also been proven that people that pray heal faster.

I just don't believe that God heals everyone, every time they pray for this. He's working things out and we can't understand how or why...it's the idea of that tapestry that looks terrible and disorganized in the back, but perfectly beautiful in the front.

Reading through all the post one word comes to mind, "perseverance". Persistence in doing something despite difficulty or delay in achieving success.

This is me and so many others through and through. I have great faith in Christ and believe everything He has taught and apply those teachings to my life. I love Him with all my heart and soul and have a very close relationship and fellowship with Him.

I've never discussed my ailments nor have I ever asked anyone here to pray for me as I learned along time ago how to deal with all of it as I endure and no matter what my focus will always be on Christ and me being a faithful servant to others. I have pain in my lower back as I shifted my L-4 and L-5 in my back due to an ATV accident I had a little over a year ago. I also have arthritus that has caused me to have two knee replacements and two hip replacements. Now I have developed neuropathy in both my feet and the pain is so great at times but, I have found a natural herb that helps take that pain away, but the numbness is getting worse and very bothersome. I do have an appointment with a Neurologist, but can't see her until January.

It's very difficult to walk at times, but I have to push myself everyday to get up and and continue to do the things I can still do. Throughout the years I have prayed and ask God for healing, been anointed with oil by the elders of the church, but yet nothing. God has even worked through me to lay hands on others as we prayed together for their healing and they were healed. I kept asking God, why not me? This was my answer. Flesh is flesh and it will get sick and break down within the years and flesh will eventually die, but I am always with you because of your faith.

I might have ailments, but the ailments do not have me, nor will ever keep me from God's purpose in my life.